Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody?

[Chief]

Rolled over to Part 2:

Society/Culture - Woke. Can you tell real from parody? - Part 2 -

Potatoes have no gender. And soon, nearly 70 years (sic), the name of Hasbro’s popular spud-shaped toy will reflect that: No more Mr. Potato Head. It’s just Potato Head. On Thursday, the company announced it would be rebranding the iconic quick-change toy to break away from traditional ideas...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[GoldenSky]

You are conflating two issues.

This isn't about whether it's right for a young person to make a transition or not.

It's about the deliberate decision of a father to publicly and continually disrespect his child's choice.

A parent can't disrespect their child's choice?

Huh? Since when? I think every parent in the world always disapproves of fundamental aspects of their child's life - choice of spouse, moving interstate or overseas, choice of career etc.

Since when should that land someone in jail?

And you know what, Jan? That's emotional violence.

Ah. A new term has come out of the woodwork - so is it emotional violence, or violence?

 

[GoldenSky]

God you crap on.

I.e. "GoldenSky has raised another issue where he has provided reason and logic which I can't dispute".

But, please, enlighten us (me). Can you explain why male and female leagues are necessary in AFL? And if so, how that fits your view about sex and gender in today's society.

 

[skybeau]

A parent can't disrespect their child's choice?

Huh? Since when? I think every parent in the world always disapproves of fundamental aspects of their child's life - choice of spouse, moving interstate or overseas, choice of career etc.

Since when should that land someone in jail?



Ah. A new term has come out of the woodwork - so is it emotional violence, or violence?

Ah. Look, that's my mistake. I assumed you has some understanding of the broader issues behind this. Clearly I was wrong. I don't think you will be able to appreciate the intricacies of this while remaining ignorant of the broader context.

 

[Seeds]

No, I never said that.

Over and out. While a mass movement is swelling, you're tying yourself into knots over application of a joke word.

Culture Warriors. Always fighting the fights that matter.

If you aren’t saying that then why would you bring it up in the discussion? I don’t understand the rationale for bringing it up?

 

[Seeds]

Given that ones chosen gender now trumps biological sex it is anachronistic that Hollywood still has separate awards for male and female acting.

The same issue exists in sport. There's no reason that all genders, irrespective of birth assigned sex, can't play together under the same rules. There might be some adjustments in the millionaire tennis and golf rankings but hey, it's all in the name of equality.

its never made sense why their are seperate female and male acting awards. It’s just acting. not Competitive sport. There is no physical disadvantage that requires men and women to be separated.

 

[GoldenSky]

Ah. Look, that's my mistake. I assumed you has some understanding of the broader issues behind this. Clearly I was wrong. I don't think you will be able to appreciate the intricacies of this while remaining ignorant of the broader context.

My mistake, actually - I read your post and understood that as being what you meant. Seems like what you mean changes based on whether someone pokes holes in your argument. You said there were two distinct issues - and you specifically set out what the issue was (what "it's about") in the last last line below.

You are conflating two issues.

This isn't about whether it's right for a young person to make a transition or not.

It's about the deliberate decision of a father to publicly and continually disrespect his child's choice.

 

[GoldenSky]

The "broader context" here is that whenever someone (take your pick from the following <average> <middle class> <working class> <white> <straight> <religious> <logical and reasonable>) says something that is totally normally, sane, reasoned, then the far-left must oppose it, just to defeat that person and therefore those characteristics.

There are two types of far-left; those that actually are nutcase socialists that wish to police other people and what they say, and those that are dopey and just go along with it, not understanding the real intentions deep down.

It's the same across the western world. If a father can't refer to his 14 year old daughter as his daughter, that's becoming a clown society.

 

[Frank Bunn]

its never made sense why their are seperate female and male acting awards. It’s just acting. not Competitive sport. There is no physical disadvantage that requires men and women to be separated.

Separate acting awards for male, female, other gender is grossly discriminatory. Allowing biological males to compete in sport against females is a victory for equality.

 

[Seeds]

Separate acting awards for male, female, other gender is grossly discriminatory. Allowing biological males to compete in sport against females is a victory for equality.

I dont believe female professional sport should exist so im fine with that

 

[Frank Bunn]

I dont believe female professional sport should exist so im fine with that

Female professional sport is a victory for the patriarchy. They don't know they are being oppressed.

 

[Scotland]

Kmart: Replace the "boys" and "girls" clothing sections with an inclusive kids' section

Young children are told which colours, clothing styles and even interests they are permitted to have through the choices they have available in their respective gender’s clothing department. Many parents of young boys will tell you their son loves pink, rainbows and flowers but simply cannot...

me.getup.org.au

 

[skybeau]

My mistake, actually - I read your post and understood that as being what you meant. Seems like what you mean changes based on whether someone pokes holes in your argument. You said there were two distinct issues - and you specifically set out what the issue was (what "it's about") in the last last line below.

Correct. And then you made a lame quip about emotional violence, demonstrating either your real or feigned ignorance of family violence. It's really not worth continuing a discussion if that's gonna be your attitude.

 

[GoldenSky]

Correct. And then you made a lame quip about emotional violence, demonstrating either your real or feigned ignorance of family violence. It's really not worth continuing a discussion if that's gonna be your attitude.

Actually, no lame quip - you went from using the phrase "violence" to then using the phrase "emotional violence" and that's what I pulled you up on.

A new term has come out of the woodwork - so is it emotional violence, or violence?

 

[Verdun]

Actually, no lame quip - you went from using the phrase "violence" to then using the phrase "emotional violence" and that's what I pulled you up on.

Just interested - why would you feel the need to pull someone up for using the phrase "violence" to then using the phrase "emotional violence"???

 

[FireKrakouer]

Aside from the fact that those articles are appalling (the Post Millennial has a postscript that the child is being referred to in line with Canadian laws, yet there is multiple mentions of "daughter" by the author), the father chose to deliberately misgender his child. He talks about the irreversible damage caused by transition and yet overlooks that similar damage is inflicted when a parent actively rejects such a choice. He's demonstrated a measure of selfishness by maintaining his public lack of acceptance of his child.

Yes he can struggle with his child's decision and he doesn't have to agree with it. But publicly denying their choice and not appreciating the impact this can have on his child. Yep that's family violence.

What anti-scientific nonsense.

If you're going to make the claim that a 14 year old is mature enough to make a call as significant as changing their gender, the onus is on you to back that up with evidence. Hint: there is none.

 

[GoldenSky]

Just interested - why would you feel the need to pull someone up for using the phrase "violence" to then using the phrase "emotional violence"???

Well, I don't know - do you reckon a father calling his daughter his daughter is a form of "violence"? What do you reckon? And then, separate to you, tell me what you reckon 99% of the Australian population would think.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Kmart: Replace the "boys" and "girls" clothing sections with an inclusive kids' section

Young children are told which colours, clothing styles and even interests they are permitted to have through the choices they have available in their respective gender’s clothing department. Many parents of young boys will tell you their son loves pink, rainbows and flowers but simply cannot...

me.getup.org.au

All children should be dressed in rainbow clothing to signal that their parents are allies.

 

[Chief]

The lateset putrid nonsense to come out of the UK. Of course you can be sure they wont talk about the west african tribes and the Muslim world being the biggest slave traders, nor the Ottoman or Barbary pirates nor even of the massive cost to the UK of the West Africa squadron.

Black history lessons to be made mandatory in Welsh schools

Pupils will learn about historical and current diversity under the new curriculum.

www.bbc.co.uk

All children will be taught about racism and the contributions of Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic communities, the education minister said.

And this is bad... why?

 

[Verdun]

Well, I don't know - do you reckon a father calling his daughter his daughter is a form of "violence"? What do you reckon? And then, separate to you, tell me what you reckon 99% of the Australian population would think.

Do you have a 99% tattoo?

 

[Ben The Donkey]

And this is bad... why?

There's a difference between bad and unnecessary.
The main issue, given limited schooling time frames, is the displacement of history in favour of social agenda.

 

[Chief]

There's a difference between bad and unnecessary.
The main issue, given limited schooling time frames, is the displacement of history in favour of social agenda.

With the mess they made of the school system in the UK, this is likely the least of their worries.

Also, this stuff is almost never just a standalone lesson. They integrate it into existing material. Better this than the anti-science lessons they serve up in their religious charter schools.

 

[GoldenSky]

Better this than the anti-science lessons they serve up in their religious charter schools.

Well it's hardly an either/or scenario. We should be worried about why this is in the public curriculum.

History lessons should teach history. Not propaganda.

 

[Chief]

We should be worried about why this is in the public curriculum.

Why?

History lessons should teach history. Not propaganda.

That's basically what "history" often is anyway.

 

[FireKrakouer]

And this is bad... why?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Teach people the ugly truth.

 

[Chief]

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Teach people the ugly truth.

Still waiting for the frontier wars to really make it into my son's primary school history lessons. Getting lots of colonial stuff from what I can see.