Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody?

[Chief]

Rolled over to Part 2:

Society/Culture - Woke. Can you tell real from parody? - Part 2 -

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[Malifice]

So your willingness to believe something is true solely contingent on whether others believe it?

That's how reality works.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Lol, no it hasnt. I dont see a double standard at all.

Here you go.

A social construct needs agreement.

Who agrees Dalziel is a black woman? No-one other than her.

OTOH who agrees that Caitlin Jenner is a woman? Lots and lots of people.

Where is the double standard in how those things are constructed?

Previously, you said "choice is the key criteria".

For the expression of gender identity, you accept the primacy of the individual's choice. Caitlin Jenner is a woman not because people accept her, but because she identifies as a woman. If she was born in Saudi Arabia and no one around her accepted she was a woman, would that mean she wasn't a woman? No, because you accept that "choice is the key criteria".

But that goes out the window when it comes to expressions of racial identity.

That's the double standard.

 

[gotterdamerung]

That's how reality works.

So there is no objective reality, according to you.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

So your willingness to believe something is true is contingent solely on whether others believe it?

That's how reality works.

No it really isn't.

Reality is verifiable regardless of what anyone else believes. That's the point.

The earth revolves around the sun. That was the reality before anyone believed it.

For such an ardent chin-stroker, you're really not up to scratch in the basics of debate.

Thanks for coming.

 

[gotterdamerung]

Reality is whatever is socially determined. Better inform the Catholic Church they were right and Galileo was wrong.

 

[Frank Bunn]

That's (one of) the legal criterion for Aboriginality.

The element of descent (not necessarily biological, but invariably is). Plus self identity, plus communal acceptance.

If Aboriginal people just accepted anyone who self identified, then that criterion would change wouldnt it?

We had this discussion some time ago and you argued the opposite. Good that you have come round.

So you can't just identify as Aboriginal to qualify for grants, prizes, jobs etc?

 

[Malifice]

Reality is verifiable regardless of what anyone else believes. That's the point.

Not with social constructs its not.

Again, what is a border, or a gender role, or an ethnic group, or money or anything socially constructed without people to decide what they are?

 

[Malifice]

We had this discussion some time ago and you argued the opposite. Good that you have come round.

I havent changed my views at all.

So you can't just identify as Aboriginal to qualify for grants, prizes, jobs etc?

No, of course not.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Not with social constructs its not.

Tell everyone again "how reality works".

What an incredibly pompous thing to say, while also being obviously wrong.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I havent changed my views at all.

Except when you deleted or edited your posts that stated an element of biological descent was required to be accepted as Aboriginal.

 

[Malifice]

Except when you deleted or edited your posts that stated an element of biological descent was required to be accepted as Aboriginal.

I have done no such thing.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I have done no such thing.

Easily clarified. Is an element of biological descent required to be accepted as Aboriginal?

 

[Scotland]

No but Malifice is explaining social constructs. He did a whole semester on them so pay attention.

I've been led to believe that gender exists on a spectrum.

For every person that exists or existed there is a potential gender identity. Does society accept every single on of them and counting? Is that how it works?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I've been led to believe that gender exists on a spectrum.

For every person that exists or existed there is a potential gender identity. Does society accept every single on of them and counting? Is that how it works?

I don't know. Ask Malifice. He knows the rules.

 

[Scotland]

I don't know. Ask Malifice. He knows the rules.

I don't need to know about money and borders.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Did you suspend him because he had you on the ropes?

 

[Malifice]

Did you suspend him because he had you on the ropes?

Lol.

No, its an alt account of itsfreerealestate (a banned poster).

Using a Wagner opera name now.

Those nazi references get more and more subtle.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Lol.

No, its an alt account of itsfreerealestate (a banned poster).

Using a Wagner opera name now.

Those nazi references get more and more subtle.

He was asking some salient questions.

 

[Malifice]

He was asking some salient questions.

He's an admitted neo-nazi who sends people repeated death threats.

No thanks.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He's an admitted neo-nazi who sends people repeated death threats.

No thanks.

When did he admit to being a neo-Nazi?

It doesn't mean he's not right on this point.

 

[FireKrakouer]

That's a relief, because you could totally convince people if you wanted.

I know more than you do, Sweety J!

 

[Frank Bunn]

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I know more than you do, Sweety J!

Have you been "doing research" again?

 

[Malifice]

Anyway. Enough fun with Quantum physics and Star Trek.

Back to 'wokeness' or whatever this thread is about.

 

[Scotland]

Anyway. Enough fun with Quantum physics and Star Trek.

Back to 'wokeness' or whatever this thread is about.

How many racial identities are there? Is it finite? Is there a spectrum?