List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Lore's 2021 Draft Order

Spoiler: Lore's 2022 Future Picks Draft Order

 

[New_Roo]

Who was the last player to nominate a club, not get there and then decide to stay with his current club out of respect?

It won't happen. If Comben was out of contract and wanted a trade to the wooden spooner we would be lucky to get a pick inside 40.

Dunkley?


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[Merlin007]

Dunkley?


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Dunkley was contracted, somewhat different dynamic

 

[tales129]

This reeks of full carlton

This reeks of clutching at straws

 

[Hazey1977]

It's all about perspective, eh? Residents close to Punt Road would say early second rounder with four years in the system - I like your stand of 38 or the PSD, but it's just the latter gets talked about a whole lot more often than it actually occurs

Worked ok the last two years though for Ade & Carlton.

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[Merlin007]

I think he will best 22 for us. Fairly comfortably too.

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easily - what's the competition for the spot? Has Xerri and Campbell covered for agility/mobility and Comben covered for durability

 

[Merlin007]

Worked ok the last two years though for Ade & Carlton.

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the rumoured 5 years certainly changes the bargaining positions, albeit Carlton did make an offer of picks for Jack Martin which GC knocked back

 

[New_Roo]

Agree... didn't he drop a clue a few days ago? Something about the letter J?
C'mon FNF - we need you!

Thought he just said not to stress, be patient and something good coming soon....


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[TennisPlayerAndy]

CCJ. 5 years.

 

[Moti]

5 years is a long time

Think creatively, in salary cap and contract terms it is nothing.


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[Le Grille]

This reeks of clutching at straws

Ok then, fill me in on how 5 years makes sense for a guy that we don’t know is or isn’t up to the level. Don’t say potential because we can draft potential

 

[New_Roo]

This reeks of full carlton

Not at 400-450, Carlton would be double that


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[Merlin007]

I still think it’s absurd. In that case It’s a huge commitment to a fringe player

did we not give 5 years to Aiden Corr? Or was it 4? in any event, Corr's a reliable professional when fit, whereas CCJ has significantly more upside

 

[Kangaroos techno]

the rumoured 5 years certainly changes the bargaining positions, albeit Carlton did make an offer of picks for Jack Martin which GC knocked back

Let's offer them pick 69.

If they say no we walk him and at least we can say we tried

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Not a fair comparison. Jaidyn had very good runs on the board.

I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if it was a four year deal for a tall with triggers.

Jaidyn had a career worst season based on an illness a year after an extended absence through breaking the leagues gambling rules. His runs on the board were history.

 

[Le Grille]

Think creatively, in salary cap and contract terms it is nothing.


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See I’m aware that in terms of cap we can jig the numbers all manner of ways but a club like us I don’t want to be gambling $2m

 

[Merlin007]

Ok then, fill me in on how 5 years makes sense for a guy that we don’t know is or isn’t up to the level. Don’t say potential because we can draft potential

you don't draft four years of physical development for a tall, unless its from a lower league and CCJ does actually have runs on the board at the senior level. If one of our early career KP players kicked four in a match this place would melt

 

[Le Grille]

did we not give 5 years to Aiden Corr? Or was it 4? in any event, Corr's a reliable professional when fit, whereas CCJ has significantly more upside

Corr has demonstrated he’s best 22 and league standard, CCJ has not shown that, draft for upside

 

[Merlin007]

See I’m aware that in terms of cap we can jig the numbers all manner of ways but a club like us I don’t want to be gambling $2m

but that's what you have to do - I distinctly remember Peter Gordon justifying the squiiions on Tom Boyd even though he knew they were betting the club. The result? A cup in 2016

 

[the flying ham]

Worked ok the last two years though for Ade & Carlton.

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For every deal not done and a player is walked to the psd, there are 50 odd trades that do happen amicably. Prior to those two psd picks there wasnt a listed psd pick taken from a club who wanted to keep their players for about 5 years. So statistically speaking, a fair trade will probably occur given he is out of contract. The threat of the psd is a touch overblown imo

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[Le Grille]

Jaidyn had a career worst season based on an illness a year after an extended absence through breaking the leagues gambling rules. His runs on the board were history.

Again he showed a sustained period of best 22 ability

 

[Le Grille]

but that's what you have to do - I distinctly remember Peter Gordon justifying the squiiions on Tom Boyd even though he knew they were betting the club. The result? A cup in 2016

Even Boyd showed more

 

[New_Roo]

Also we don't actually know that it's five years yet. That's based on Tom Morris

We don't actually even have him yet do we!


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[Moti]

See I’m aware that in terms of cap we can jig the numbers all manner of ways but a club like us I don’t want to be gambling $2m

A club like us needs to use all of the tools at our disposal, salary cap and list spots is one, opportunity another. When we fly up the ladder, then it becomes environment and success.

To me this is a very good use of our capital as he will provide an instant impact forward next year and possibly be part of the ruck equation moving forward. If it doesn’t work, he becomes a handy backup.


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[Merlin007]

Corr has demonstrated he’s best 22 and league standard, CCJ has not shown that, draft for upside

we will - and apparently take CCJ for a bit more

 

[tales129]

Ok then, fill me in on how 5 years makes sense for a guy that we don’t know is or isn’t up to the level. Don’t say potential because we can draft potential

don’t insert yourself into a trade scenario mate “we don’t know is up to the level”

the club obviously likes the glimpses that they’ve seen and you have to pay overs to pry someone away. Gold Coast have been on him for a few years and we’vematched that deal because we severely lack quality big men, as seen by the fact that tom ******* Campbell played seniors this year.

400 clams is ******* nothing these days so put the chicken little s**t away and learn how to build an AFL quality list in the current climate