List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[luca77]

Honestly rightfully so. Not many have had a season like he did in 2010.

Yeah, BJ was a gun. Entitled to have a bit of FIGJAM about him. I'm not bothered at all about bitterness or whatever. Who isn't bitter when they have a falling out with their employer and have to leave?

 

[Significant]

i think it depends on how much confidence they have in marshall to be the number one ruck and if any of these guys go past Membrey.

it could be something like:

R Marshall
CHF BKing
FF MKing
Third Tall Sharman

Tim will be 28 next year. If we get Ben, in Ben's first year Tim will be 29, thats when things start to drop off for talls. He would be competing with Sharman for a spot if Ben comes. Sharman is 21 now. So when we have Ben he will be 23, that's when the penny drops for talls and you start to enter consistent football.

At some point we have to play on "actual" results rather than building on "potential". what i mean by that is we are going to have to make a call as to who is going to provide the better forward outcomes and who is going to provide better ruck outcomes. this means we need to make a call on Marshall. Will he be able to be number 1 ruck and provide a point of difference there, if not we need to find someone who can and he needs to earn his spot as a fwd. if he can't out perform a Ben or Max up forward then he loses his spot or needs to come off the bench/find another position/role.

looking at stats Ben is a 50 goal a year forward. he has more of an impact on the scoreboard than Rowan does. Likewise Max so it makes sense to prioritize both in the fwd line over Rowan.

Rowan has a better impact around the ground and in the ruck. so it makes sense for him to take the ruck when Ryder retires. weather or not he can maintain that is another question and weather or not the resting ruck situation is ok is another question.

if i was to throw up a third option... what about Marshall turning into a defender who can also ruck. similar to McGovern when he was unbelievable. Mark Blicavs is another. this allows the fwd line to remain untouched and remain potent. it also would mean marshall has the flexibility to real rotate where needed. be it fwd for a bit. in the ruck for a bit. down back on the oppos resting ruck.

Great post, and lays out my entire thinking, although I believe Marshall can be the ruckman we all want him to be. I know it's sometime ago, but without Ryder, he was clearly in the Top 5 rucks in the league when he rucked solely. Whilst he may not be a perfect tap ruckman, he has weapons and knows how to use them and that makes him dangerous and a handful for any oppo team. He can gives us an elite on all dynamic.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yeah, BJ was a gun. Entitled to have a bit of FIGJAM about him. I'm not bothered at all about bitterness or whatever. Who isn't bitter when they have a falling out with their employer and have to leave?

bj never wanted to leave. Was devestated to be pushed out. A loyal type of guy and it really hurt him. Pelchan did it and we got very little in return.

 

[bird_man]

Yeah, BJ was a gun. Entitled to have a bit of FIGJAM about him. I'm not bothered at all about bitterness or whatever. Who isn't bitter when they have a falling out with their employer and have to leave?

He may have been a very good footballer but it's no excuse to be an arrogant campaigner IMO.

I would much prefer to listen to someone with a bit of humility or at least happy to take the piss out of themselves.

 

[Sun Ra]

Yeah, BJ was a gun. Entitled to have a bit of FIGJAM about him. I'm not bothered at all about bitterness or whatever. Who isn't bitter when they have a falling out with their employer and have to leave?

Dunstan ?

 

[Groater]

Dunstan ?

I'm thinking Tom Hickey or Tom Lee

 

[hangdog]

Just mentioned we have a little bit of interest in Naish as a rookie on Trade Radio.

 

[bird_man]

Just mentioned we have a little bit of interest in Naish as a rookie on Trade Radio.

We did bid on him in his draft year.

He is an elite runner also which we said we'd target.

He's got good skills and has been dominant at VFL level.

His knock is he is quite soft though.

 

[CaptainRisky]

He may have been a very good footballer but it's no excuse to be an arrogant campaigner IMO.

I would much prefer to listen to someone with a bit of humility or at least happy to take the piss out of themselves.

Spot on , its not needed

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And a cake has icing! Clearly looks more like a scallop than a cake. If St Kilda changed their name to the Potato Cakes I'd have to switch codes.

They look more like pancakes than scallops.

 

[StCicatriz]

Great post, and lays out my entire thinking, although I believe Marshall can be the ruckman we all want him to be. I know it's sometime ago, but without Ryder, he was clearly in the Top 5 rucks in the league when he rucked solely. Whilst he may not be a perfect tap ruckman, he has weapons and knows how to use them and that makes him dangerous and a handful for any oppo team. He can gives us an elite on all dynamic.

i agree entirely with your post. it's a great point and reminder. he has shown he can do it, so i think you have to work to the assumption that he will be able to fufil that role. if it turns out that he can't then we need to address that separately.

 

[StCicatriz]

We did bid on him in his draft year.

He is an elite runner also which we said we'd target.

He's got good skills and has been dominant at VFL level.

His knock is he is quite soft though.

i think that's one area we have managed to improve some players a tad. for example Brad Hill compared to his time at Freo and Hawthorn has improved in his willingness to put his head over the footy.

he's by no means a contested player, but i think it has improved.

i think it might be worth a punt to see if we can get that to a required level.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

i agree entirely with your post. it's a great point and reminder. he has shown he can do it, so i think you have to work to the assumption that he will be able to fufil that role. if it turns out that he can't then we need to address that separately.

I originally thought our long term plans should be Marshall in the ruck with Battle , King, and Membrey forward, with King chopping out when Marshal is resting.
Not much has changed except we's added Sharman to the mix.
If we and up with another King, we have two who can potentially chop out in the ruck.

 

[St Neil]

If you aren't a complete tool then we can extend an invite to join the PM club

Hi George. I’m not a complete tool. Can I join too?

 

[Chef Ratts]

Still think Talia makes sense. Anyone know the latest word there?

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

I'm not a tool.
I want in! I don't even care if the rumours aren't true. I just like dreaming.

On SM-G955F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Dont wish to join any Private Message Club. I agree with Groucho Marx who said:

"I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER."

 

[StCicatriz]

wow i think trade radio actually had a decent caller and discussion

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Starting to think it's better to assume that Owens and Windhager will both be taken in the teens. If they slide through, it'll be a bonus.

Very unlikely both will be top 20 in my opinion. I could see one sneaking into the top 20. But both? That would be very unlucky.

 

[Joffaboy]

I really don't know if we are trading for anyone this period.

Think we hit the draft and get the NGA kids.

Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

at end of contract. this year does not fit anybody's timeline and strategyin my view.

Clarko and Ben in next years trade period

 

[St Neil]

Did one of you clowns just suggest to TR that we 'trade' Dunstan, Lonie and pick 9 to GC for King?

I heard that. It sounded like a little kiddie sent a text in.

Then some Essendon nuffie suggested that pick 11 would be enough for Gold Coast to trade Bing.

Why even read that trash out?

 

[Joffaboy]

I heard that. It sounded like a little kiddie sent a text in.

Then some Essendon nuffie suggested that pick 11 would be enough for Gold Coast to trade Bing.

Why even read that trash out?

TR is painful enough during trade period, but for a week prior? 11 for Ben King, yeah righto, maybe a future second rounder will get it done. Was it Dodoro who called up?

 

[StCicatriz]

the point that GC will trade out the massive amount of later picks to someone like the dogs for their father son made perfect sense. i wonder if GC then trade up.

 

[True Believer]

Did one of you clowns just suggest to TR that we 'trade' Dunstan, Lonie and pick 9 to GC for King?

Apparently some people don't understand that putting more turds into a bag does not make the bag more valuable !!

 

[Tommy Wigs]

If you aren't a complete tool then we can extend an invite to join the PM club

My mum says I’m cool. I’m not sure that counts, but I’d love a PM!

 

[CaptainRisky]

Apparently some people don't understand that putting more turds into a bag does not make the bag more valuable !!

But it makes the bag bigger