List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

George · Aug 24, 2021

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List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Jade Buddha · Oct 2, 2021

The thing about Clark is I’m not sure he’s an actual midfielder. Doesn’t seem to have been used much that way. He seems more a half back sweeper type.
That may change but right now he’s another player playing multiple roles.

Winmar2Lockett · Oct 2, 2021

triggering bro said:
Completely logical for the list manager to consider shopping Battle AND Coffield on the basis Highmore & Sharman exceeded expectations. Club should be considering all their options with nobody 100% safe unless their names are Steele, Marshall or King.

For mine the club is at the crossroads. We are in the 6-12 “safe zone”, with a few tweaks & risks needed to potentially move into top 4 contention. Sure, moving on someone like Coffield could blow up in our face however at least the club would be doing something.

Clark I’m a lot more inclined to retain unless the offer leads to obtaining a similarly or better midfielder that is ready to go….

I don't think Battle (or Coff for that matter) are in the mix for a trade unless we have an experienced tall defender locked in. With the depth of KPD that have already been let go, Battle becomes an important option. God forbid Doug gets hurt... we'd be in all sorts of strife. If we do have someone in mind (and with Talia as back up too) then trading Battle becomes an option... especially with Richmond still hell bent on winning flags in the Dusty era and with a bag load of picks. I reckon Dimma would love Battle's skillset. He's courageous, can take a mark & has good skills (WTH are we trading him again?).

Hunts is close to being on the untradeable list IMO. He's a jet... yes he certainly has to get fitter but you don't trade away your most naturally talented young players even for a high draft pick. #5 sounds wonderful but with the lack of footy over the past 2 years you could end up with a Rhys Palmer as much as you could snag a Joel Selwood.

Coff is the interesting one IMO. Highmore's debut year, combined with Coff's disappointing year has made Nick less of a must keep than he was 12 months ago. I do like the idea of having two intercept marking defenders the quality of these two though. I can't see him moving but it is silly season and anything can happen.

I reckon a lot of this comes down to whether we can jag a decent CHB/KPD to pair with Doug. If we do then both Battle & Coffield come into play.

letssmashem · Oct 2, 2021

I'm all for trading coffield if he's keen for a fresh start. All this talk about him being a potential winger or inside mid is madness...his exposed form all points towards him being a specialist intercept defender. Considering we have a surplus of options in this position (highmore and wilkie), we'd be negligent to not flirt with the idea of strengthening our draft hand and recruiting more midfielders.

If we want to emulate Melbourne's successful list profile, we need to make ruthless decisions. Players like coffield are not indispensable. I see these situations as a win-win for the individual and the club.

Winmar2Lockett · Oct 2, 2021

Jade Buddha said:
The thing about Clark is I’m not sure he’s an actual midfielder. Doesn’t seem to have been used much that way. He seems more a half back sweeper type.
That may change but right now he’s another player playing multiple roles.

Hunts has looked very good when he's had stints on the wing and been part of the midfield group, especially running forward.

I reckon he's actually more damaging when he's playing midfield in general play and not necessarily at centre bounces... a bit like Shane Edwards' role with the Tigs.

lewdogs · Oct 2, 2021

letssmashem said:
I'm all for trading coffield if he's keen for a fresh start. All this talk about him being a potential winger or inside mid is madness...his exposed form all points towards him being a specialist intercept defender. Considering we have a surplus of options in this position (highmore and wilkie), we'd be negligent to not flirt with the idea of strengthening our draft hand and recruiting more midfielders.

If we want to emulate Melbourne's successful list profile, we need to make ruthless decisions. Players like coffield are not indispensable. I see these situations as a win-win for the individual and the club.

Coff was borderline AA squad level last year off half back. Great that Highmore has shown a bit there but if Coffield gets back to 2020 form we are better.

gringo2011 · Oct 2, 2021

triggering bro said:
Completely logical for the list manager to consider shopping Battle AND Coffield on the basis Highmore & Sharman exceeded expectations. Club should be considering all their options with nobody 100% safe unless their names are Steele, Marshall or King.

For mine the club is at the crossroads. We are in the 6-12 “safe zone”, with a few tweaks & risks needed to potentially move into top 4 contention. Sure, moving on someone like Coffield could blow up in our face however at least the club would be doing something.

Clark I’m a lot more inclined to retain unless the offer leads to obtaining a similarly or better midfielder that is ready to go….

Ninthmond worked out okay in the end. As long as you have some youth coming through that look up to it sometimes holding on a course is better than a constant heavy churn and never deciding on a best core to build around. We don't have the luxury of 5 years rebuilding so have to take the path of building without dropping down. One asterisk finals series in 10 years doesn't buy us another 5 years to get our shit together.

lewdogs · Oct 2, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Ninthmond worked out okay in the end. As long as you have some youth coming through that look up to it sometimes holding on a course is better than a constant heavy churn and never deciding on a best core to build around. We don't have the luxury of 5 years rebuilding so have to take the path of building without dropping down. One asterisk finals series in 10 years doesn't buy us another 5 years to get our sh*t together.

Gags said it best. We need the players on our list to improve.

PoppedCorn · Oct 2, 2021

Lol at trading clark for pick 5

HunterClarksHeadband · Oct 2, 2021

Here’s a rumour for ya: If we were to trade Hunter Clark & Coff - I’d be absolutely done with the AFL in general and the trainee receptionist would have some serious feedback emailed their way. WTF is going on with this place

gringo2011 · Oct 2, 2021

letssmashem said:
I'm all for trading coffield if he's keen for a fresh start. All this talk about him being a potential winger or inside mid is madness...his exposed form all points towards him being a specialist intercept defender. Considering we have a surplus of options in this position (highmore and wilkie), we'd be negligent to not flirt with the idea of strengthening our draft hand and recruiting more midfielders.

If we want to emulate Melbourne's successful list profile, we need to make ruthless decisions. Players like coffield are not indispensable. I see these situations as a win-win for the individual and the club.

What ruthless stuff did Melbourne do? Got rid of Hogan while he still had value without telling Freo about how his off field antics might make him a poor option and got rid of the shitter Mc Donald. They are more a club that held their nerve despite external pressure to swing the axe.

Diehard Saint · Oct 2, 2021

lewdogs said:
Gags said it best. We need the players on our list to improve.

Right. So let’s hope our new fitness and development guys are up to it.
Almost the most important draftees IMO.

Saintos The ITK · Oct 2, 2021

Joffaboy said:
Pretty sh*t how people get ridiculed for it, no wonder some posters only use PM.

Totally agree

sammm · Oct 2, 2021

Rors said:
I pressed him on that & he flat out said why would he bother making sh*t like that up, as half his extended family are mad Saints fans… And this guy isn’t a big ‘trade week follower’ anyway, which makes me believe him. In his own words… “why would I make up stories & follow trades when I can just watch replays of 4 Grand Final wins in the last 13 years?!”

A real “fu** you” moment for me after that comment

Anyhow, something to chew the fat over for the weekend

Well if Clark was agreeable I would let him go fir a 1st round draft pick from Hawthorn. But I doubt that it's true.

MrFoster · Oct 2, 2021

letssmashem said:
I'm all for trading coffield if he's keen for a fresh start. All this talk about him being a potential winger or inside mid is madness...his exposed form all points towards him being a specialist intercept defender. Considering we have a surplus of options in this position (highmore and wilkie), we'd be negligent to not flirt with the idea of strengthening our draft hand and recruiting more midfielders.

If we want to emulate Melbourne's successful list profile, we need to make ruthless decisions. Players like coffield are not indispensable. I see these situations as a win-win for the individual and the club.

Agree. The club has also stated that they want to add more run to the team e.g. more Jones, Brynes type, from backline to midfield to forward line. Most of our players from the Richo era are not running players, so we need make some tough decisions.. Now Coffield seems like an intercept defender, but can be actual defend one on one, can he provide lots of run from the back line and hit forwards on the lead, that we’re yet to see.

LennyHayes77 · Oct 2, 2021

gringo2011 said:
And Ross looking less likely. Richmond really plummeted once their youth quota got too high. You can probably carry up to 4 to 5 sub 50 games players at the most before inexperience and inconsistency starts to bite.Throw a few more sub 100 gamers and things start to look a bit imbalanced.

Melbourne Premiership team:
- 7 players under 50 games
- 2 more players under 100 games
- 4 more under 120 games
= 13 players under 120 games experience but sure let's keep mid-to late 20 year olds, who have done nothing for years, on our list because players apparently need years and years of games and development to be any good and win a premiership.
I seriously detest the thinking of making players wait around for years before we give them a run in the seniors.
How many people were worried about giving skinny under developed Sharman a go before his first game?

CaptainRisky · Oct 2, 2021

Joffaboy said:
Pretty sh*t how people get ridiculed for it, no wonder some posters only use PM.

Yeah i agree too , can you PM me

Mr_R0b0t · Oct 2, 2021

Rors said:
Prediction:

- Minimum of 3 of Dunstan, Ross, Long, Battle & Coffield will be gone by the end of this trade period.

- We will have two 1st rounders between picks 7 & 15, and also enough later picks for our NGA boys

Now let’s get this show on the road

Load up on quality mids in a midfielders draft. Look at recycled players with low a risk but a high ceiling development, thru DFA or rookie. Considering the emphasis of player development with Carroll’s appointment.

Quality midfielders are our weakness and this is where the game is won at. Look at Dees and WB

bird_man · Oct 2, 2021

Joffaboy said:
That gives us 11 and 19 and two NGA's. Would prefer to keep both for that one iffy pick.
Hugh Goddard was #19

Plenty of great players taken in the teens also.

I guess it comes down to how Libba and co rate the draft. I think there'd be a reason we are chasing another pick.

It's only early days, but Libba seems to have a much better eye for talent than Trout, but he hasn't had a great hand in any draft since taking over.

I was agaijst trading Battle mid year but unless the plan is to move Battle to CHB I think he'll struggle to get a game this year with the emergence of Sharman.

letssmashem · Oct 2, 2021

gringo2011 said:
What ruthless stuff did Melbourne do? Got rid of Hogan while he still had value without telling Freo about how his off field antics might make him a poor option and got rid of the shitter Mc Donald. They are more a club that held their nerve despite external pressure to swing the axe.

I would say Hogan was a ruthless decision...yes their hand was forced with his off field issues but he was marketed as the great white hope to drive their resurgence. They were also prepared to let go Scully and trengrove, even though they were priority picks. I think we get caught up on draft pick numbers...it's meaningless after a couple of years!

Now is the time for saints to attack the draft and attempt to get some A grade midfielders. All outsiders unanimously say our midfield is what's holding us back in becoming a serious finals threat.

bird_man · Oct 2, 2021

Jade Buddha said:
The thing about Clark is I’m not sure he’s an actual midfielder. Doesn’t seem to have been used much that way. He seems more a half back sweeper type.
That may change but right now he’s another player playing multiple roles.

Looked like a genuine mid round one.

The most centre bounces he was given all year was 19 in round one. The next best was 9.

I reckon if he was given the same amount of time as Bytel in the centre he'd look like a midfielder.

BrutThough · Oct 2, 2021

letssmashem said:
I would say Hogan was a ruthless decision...yes their hand was forced with his off field issues but he was marketed as the great white hope to drive their resurgence. They were also prepared to let go Scully and trengrove, even though they were priority picks. I think we get caught up on draft pick numbers...it's meaningless after a couple of years!

Now is the time for saints to attack the draft and attempt to get some A grade midfielders. All outsiders unanimously say our midfield is what's holding us back in becoming a serious finals threat.

Melbourne had no choice over Scully leaving given he was an initial GWS signing so a trade wasnt needed.

Trengove was given 8 years. and years of injury interruptions before he was traded.

Jade Buddha · Oct 2, 2021

bird_man said:
Looked like a genuine mid round one.

The most centre bounces he was given all year was 19 in round one. The next best was 9.

I reckon if he was given the same amount of time as Bytel in the centre he'd look like a midfielder.

You could be right, just seems to either not get played there a great deal, gets a little inconsistent or injured.
There’s no doubting his talent just his development

gringo2011 · Oct 2, 2021

LennyHayes77 said:
Melbourne Premiership team:
- 7 players under 50 games
- 2 more players under 100 games
- 4 more under 120 games
= 13 players under 120 games experience but sure let's keep mid-to late 20 year olds, who have done nothing for years, on our list because players apparently need years and years of games and development to be any good and win a premiership.
I seriously detest the thinking of making players wait around for years before we give them a run in the seniors.
How many people were worried about giving skinny under developed Sharman a go before his first game?

That surprises me but I think their top end helped carry a few that were quiet. Playing kids really depends on how they play, Sharman and Highmore are older players who looked ready to go. Bytel and Connolly looked like they were being carried at times.

letssmashem · Oct 2, 2021

BrutThough said:
Melbourne had no choice over Scully leaving given he was an initial GWS signing so a trade wasnt needed.

Trengove was given 8 years. and years of injury interruptions before he was traded.

Yeah I agree with that.

I just think we get caught up with high end draft picks. Other clubs have still got the rose tinted glasses on coffield...mainly because he was drafted pick #8. If the internal opinion is highmore is the better interceptor, then let's take advantage of the esteemed perception of coffield and use the pick to get another midfielder. I'm sure coffield would be open to a trade if he's been told he's 2nd or 3rd in the defender pecking order

gringo2011 · Oct 2, 2021

letssmashem said:
I would say Hogan was a ruthless decision...yes their hand was forced with his off field issues but he was marketed as the great white hope to drive their resurgence. They were also prepared to let go Scully and trengrove, even though they were priority picks. I think we get caught up on draft pick numbers...it's meaningless after a couple of years!

Now is the time for saints to attack the draft and attempt to get some A grade midfielders. All outsiders unanimously say our midfield is what's holding us back in becoming a serious finals threat.

These drafts are much more of a gamble than usual is the only issue. Long and Battle make more sense than Coffield. Battle looks like we are ruining him and Long looks like he needs a new start.

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