Play Nice Scott Morrison 2.0 - How Long? Part 8 - Lose Unit. Game Over, Bulldozer. Cont in Part 9

[QuietB]

Part 5 is here:

Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

Continued in Part 6. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-the-coal-man.1290651/

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Part 6 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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Part 7 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 7 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/ Part 6 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-prosperity-theology-the-coal-man-his-bootlickers.1290651/

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Part 9 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison in the Multiverse of Ministries.

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/ Part 6 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-prosperity-theology-the-coal-man-his-bootlickers.1290651/ Part 7 is here...

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[QuietB]

Just watched Insiders.

James Patterson is a w***er. James Campbell is an idiot.

Wake me up when the Liberals have a policy. Any policy. This is so depressing

 

[madmug]

I wouldn’t be so sure. plenty of stories about militaries intercepting each other, tracking each other, radar lock on, playing games if you will.

It’s when a desperate government wants to use these established games as acts of war to play up national security fears and wedge the ALP that it becomes political. The ADF can’t dictate a government’s political talking points. It also looks like the ADF is gearing towards a Cold conflict with China.

Australia & most others are already well into a cold war with the CCP.

 

[Festerz]

You could’ve easily changed that headline to “Australia Spy Plane stalks Chinese Vessel in International Waters”

No.

And literally no one in the defence commentary and analysis area is saying that. They are universal in saying it is a significant step up in military tensions between China and Australia. If that had occurred in vicinity of China's disputed territorial waters or economic zone there is no doubt the consequences would have been disastrous.

Explainer: what was the Chinese laser attack about and why does it matter?

Laser pointing is separated from firing a missile with hostile intent by a mere split second – this is what makes such an action so dangerous.

theconversation.com

What it does show is the great danger to Australia and our military from Morrison weaponising Australia's national security and intelligence for political gaming. Including making public statements like this:



Make no mistake- what happened on Thursday on Australia's doorstep is in no way something to be taken lightly. The big talk of Morrison and Dutton in front of cameras and online for purely political reasons has made our country a big target for up front and just as public retaliatory action.

This is exactly why our Intelligence agency leaders, past and present, have taken the unprecedented step of telling them to STFU.

 

[1990crow]

Save Our Outback - Urgent Action needed to prevent South Australia Government changes

We recommend an independent review of the current Act that represents the interests of the state and all its people, including Traditional Owners. As the climate rapidly changes and biodiversity continues to decline, South Australia's outback needs saving.

www.saveouroutback.org

Please save outback South Australia from environmental, economic and democratic disaster at the hand of the LNP.
Follow links and please contact your local MP.
If interstate please share.

 

[1990crow]

Just watched Insiders.

James Patterson is a w***er. James Campbell is an idiot.

Wake me up when the Liberals have a policy. Any policy. This is so depressing

It's disgusting.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

 

[1990crow]

At least he's got an excuse now for when he loses the election.
He was reading the teleprompter upside down and back to front following the incident.

 

[Festerz]

At least he's got an excuse now for when he loses the election.
He was reading the teleprompter upside down and back to front following the incident.

That won't fly.

Everyone knows he's been governing the country with his head up his own ass for over 3 years now.

 

[1990crow]

At least he had the protection this time, just didn’t use it in time

“Lowering the visor is a state matter”

I don't hold a welding gun, mate.

 

[1990crow]

That won't fly.

Everyone knows he's been governing the country with his head up his own ass for over 3 years now.

That's a disturbing image.

 

[Mick F]

That's a disturbing image.

We need to be honest. Like Abbott and Latham, he is a typical loud mouthed know all. None of them achieved anything in life before deciding they should enter politics to fulfil their destiny of being a great leader. Bludgers that wanted a lifestyle way above what their capabilities in the mercantile world merited.

More fool us.

 

[madmug]

We need to be honest. Like Abbott and Latham, he is a typical loud mouthed know all. None of them achieved anything in life before deciding they should enter politics to fulfil their destiny of being a great leader. Bludgers that wanted a lifestyle way above what their capabilities in the mercantile world merited.

More fool us.

'Us' didn't vote for him.

'They' did.

 

[HPKS]

Morrison's pleas to save sitting MPs fails to win over Liberals

Mr Morrison and members of his centre-right faction have sought to have the executive of the NSW Liberal Party intervene to lock in federal preselections.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Rotayjay]

In general, I side with the second view (any election victory is good, and if you lose too often, a fear of success may take over because you're so used to losing), but 2019 may be one of the few exceptions.

This is because no government would want to handle a pandemic + a serious recession during their term, especially if said pandemic and economic difficulties resurface in different forms. That's a crisis situation, and in crisis situations governments make mistakes, even relatively competent ones. People are generally pretty forgiving of such mistakes if it looks like you're at least taking the pandemic threat seriously, but as Dan Andrews discovered, people become altogether less charitable if the body count increases due to your mistakes. From memory more Victorians than not supported him, so he would have retained a majority had an election been held that year, but IMO not a comfortable one because there was a lot of anger over that, and he may have felt forced to resign in the face of an emboldened opposition. Luckily for him, he did not have to make that choice.

Assuming that the polls were accurate in 2019, the ALP would have 80 seats to play with - a clear majority, but far from insurmountable. They would have handled the pandemic better than the LNP on the whole, but ScoMo would have ruthlessly seized on any mistake. The Murdoch media are overrated in terms of winning elections IMO, but they would have given him some heft, especially if "LABOR'S DEBT" increased, as would inevitably have happened. Quite a few people would have bought this.

A massive recession would also still have occured, (unfairly) justifying the ALP's reputation as poorer economic managers than the LNP. Plus, mistakes would inevitably have been made RE vaccine rollouts/border closures/Delta/OMICRON. The Higgins controversy would not have affected the ALP directly per se, but it may well have emboldened someone from the ALP side to speak up, hurting him more than ScoMo since he would be running the government and so be perceived to be more responsible for what's going on in Parliament House (not to mention that those old rape allegations would have been raised, not unlike with Porter). This is not unlike how the Higgins controversy represented the first real chink in ScoMo's polling armour, since it was not a normal controversy, but rather a blood crime (rape) which was gaining momentum rather than fizzling out within a couple of weeks like other controversies.

The ALP's more competent handling of events would enable them to remain competitive, but they faced a tenacious, aggressive individual who knew how to market himself against an incumbent that IMO would never truly have been popular - and moreover, since ScoMo hadn't become PM, his flaws in that role wouldn't yet have been exposed. Many more people would have been inclined to give him a go, especially since some deaths would have occurred, especially among older people, and that would have increased anger towards Shorten. The polls wouldn't have been 45-55, but it'd be a repeat of 2010, with Shorten needing to save the day with his superior negotiation skills. Even if he did though, the ALP would have lost handily in 2028. If he couldn't, then it'd be difficult for the ALP to actually win government for a while because the 'LABOR'S DEBT' and 'LABOR'S RECESSION' would have stuck to them for at least 2 terms.

From a humane perspective, the ALP's loss in 2019 was a tragedy. However, from a political perspective, the LNP have had to raise debt, they've endured several economic slumps and they've more or less given up any pretence of good governance. Plus, the party has visibly been falling apart, with ScoMo's colleagues openly undermining him RE the RDA signifying his lack of internal authority. Moreover, Albanese is more Beazley than Shorten - he's uncharismatic, but he's so grey that it's hard to define him particularly negatively - not unlike Howard in 1995.

Having no other options, and not really being able to campaign on trust - since ScoMo is widely distrusted whereas Albo isn't - they've tried to create a Tampa out of China. For reasons I've outlined yesterday, I think that strategy will ultimately be self-defeating.

Given how the LNP are visibly falling apart, they'd better hope that the economy is well and truly booming come May, and that COVID has been forgotten.

Could this happen? Well, online spending has picked up and the jobless rate is encouraging, which suggests that wages should grow in-between now and May. On the other hand, I suspect the jobless rate is as low as it is partially because people have been discouraged from looking for work due to there being a pandemic resulting in mass business closures and shadow lockdowns, plus Centrelink doesn't register all of Australia's unemployed - only the unemployed who register with them.

I don't think COVID will be forgotten - seeing your relatives die to it would have a marked, lasting impact on you, especially if you feel it was caused partially by government negligence - but has seemingly peaked in NSW. That said, BA.2 will ensure that it lingers for longer than the LNP would have liked, and the LNP had better hope that there's no new COVID variant in the pipeline...

Even if the economy/pandemic situation are looking good come May, will that save the LNP? Much depends on 1) their own campaign (going all anti-China will IMO backfire, though I expect them to tout the economic/pandemic situation as well), 2) the ALP's campaign and 3) how visibly the LNP are falling apart. Voters are less inclined to vote for parties that appear unable to govern themselves, especially if the opposition looks relatively stable and isn't putting forth any scary policies, which Albo hasn't.

Right now, I'm still giving Albo a 65% chance of victory, but if the LNP continue to self-destruct, I'd say 65-70%.

Excellent post - I'd never thought of the possibility that Labor's loss in 2019 could have saved them from being savaged over the pandemic.

 

[Magruder]

Excellent post - I'd never thought of the possibility that Labor's loss in 2019 could have saved them from being savaged over the pandemic.

sorry, it’s narrow and overly deterministic thinking.

The feds needed to get a small number of things right to be coasting To re election.

income supports, vaccination, work effectively with the states Etc. be the grown ups.

get them halfway right and the mismanagement of the last 8-9 years would largely been forgiven.

A Labor government elected in 2019 would have disappointed in some areas but would have overseen much more effective, egalitarian pandemic response and as a result been well placed to be re-elected.

 

[Schneebly11]

And literally no one in the defence commentary and analysis area is saying that. They are universal in saying it is a significant step up in military tensions between China and Australia. If that had occurred in vicinity of China's disputed territorial waters or economic zone there is no doubt the consequences would have been disastrous.

Several years back a South Korean ship locked its radar onto a Japanese aircraft. This was apparently intentional, and as the article states there are disputes between the two nations:

Japan accuses South Korea of 'extremely dangerous' radar lock on plane

Japanese Defence Minister Takeshi Iwaya "strongly protested" to South Korea on Friday after a South Korean destroyer allegedly locked its targeting radar on a Japanese surveillance plane.

www.reuters.com

Now are Japan and South Korea one step away from conflict? Of course not, so don’t try to ratchet up tensions now.

In all likelihood our relationship with Beijing will take a positive turn if the current warmongers are f**ked off from Canberra and Labor gets in. Albo has already said we need to restore our business relationship with China whilst engaging them diplomatically on other issues, so basically the relationship we had 10 years ago:

Albanese pledges Australia’s return to golden age with China

Labor leader Anthony Albanese says Australia’s tricky relationship with China won’t be changed overnight, but if he is elected he hopes to oversee a return to business with the superpower.

thewest.com.au

This is one of the reasons I’ll be voting for Labor, not just against Morrison.

 

[Schneebly11]

sorry, it’s narrow and overly deterministic thinking.

The feds needed to get a small number of things right to be coasting To re election.

income supports, vaccination, work effectively with the states Etc. be the grown ups.

get them halfway right and the mismanagement of the last 8-9 years would largely been forgiven.

A Labor government elected in 2019 would have disappointed in some areas but would have overseen much more effective, egalitarian pandemic response and as a result been well placed to be re-elected.

Totally. Palaszczuk, McGowan and Ardern were re-elected with increased margins despite their being a pandemic. Because they showed leadership not total idiocy.

All Scummo and co had to do was build quarantine centres away from major cities and we would’ve avoided all those breakouts the kept interstate borders closing on a merry go round for 18 months.

Then negotiate a supply deal for Pfizer which they were offered but declined to out all their eggs in the CSL/AZ basket because of Liberal MPs having interests in that company.

And then presented a unified National Cabinet from the start by using actual leadership skills, not let it descend into interstate bickering.

And finally cracking down on anti vax morons on their own side. And when cases were spreading, boosters were low, RATs in short supply and state borders not fully open not making staying up to 4am to pass a bill giving religious schools the right to expel trans kids their number one issue.

All of those things were quite easy to do, had they done se we could’ve been back to full interstate travel by November 2020 and then full international travel by July 2021 after being 90% vaxxed with Pfizer, avoiding a lot killed in the NSW/Vic July -October 2021 Delta waves.

Because we have a bunch of right wing religious extremists in power who are incompetent and serving corporate interests that didn’t happen.

 

[campbell]

Morrison's pleas to save sitting MPs fails to win over Liberals

Mr Morrison and members of his centre-right faction have sought to have the executive of the NSW Liberal Party intervene to lock in federal preselections.

thenewdaily.com.au

Didims.......

 

[Crankyhawk]

'Us' didn't vote for him.

'They' did.

A very few liberals preselecting in cook picked him. Went on to get a defamatory campaign up against the rightful winner of preselection and then got voted in by the zombie liberal rusted on in that seat.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Morrison's pleas to save sitting MPs fails to win over Liberals

Mr Morrison and members of his centre-right faction have sought to have the executive of the NSW Liberal Party intervene to lock in federal preselections.

thenewdaily.com.au

Gotta say I’m confused that there are a more conservative faction in nsw libs than scomo? What do they believe in that scomo doesn’t or is the division personalities rather than policies? Zimmerman I would buy as a moderate but Hawke and ley?

 

[Brad Goodman]

Gotta say I’m confused that there are a more conservative faction in nsw libs than scomo? What do they believe in that scomo doesn’t or is the division personalities rather than policies? Zimmerman I would buy as a moderate but Hawke and ley?

Isn’t it frightening

 

[QuietB]

Gotta say I’m confused that there are a more conservative faction in nsw libs than scomo? What do they believe in that scomo doesn’t or is the division personalities rather than policies? Zimmerman I would buy as a moderate but Hawke and ley?

Optics as usual with Morrison. It is just a name if he was honest it would be the happy clappers or bible group faction.

 

[Rotayjay]

No doubt there are racist bigots, like the McMichaels, that can function in society and you feel should not be stereotyped as dead set ****holes but as far as I am concerned they can keep to their own circle of acquaintances.

There is no plausible reason for half of ‘respondents’ to have a negative view of Australians of colour. It indicates that we have more deplorables, willing to blame their unhappiness in life on disadvantaged members of the community, than just Hansen voters.

To this day (behind closed doors, not in public) I occasionally hear negative comments like 'bloody (insert ethicity here)' and 'when you go to Sydney, it's spot the Aussie', and '(insert ethnicity) are so annoying, they don't even try to fit in'. This is in Adelaide, not a rural area.

 

[Rotayjay]

Firstly, I don't think these election debates are overly important in swinging votes. Only politically engaged people tend to watch them and they've already made their minds up.

Second, I think you're over-estimating Morrison's ability as a public speaker. I know he's self-assured liar, but he's actually very inarticulate. The amount of times I've seen him stumble over and mispronounce easy, scripted words. And then any time his narrative is questioned, he either goes to water or else goes completely feral. You note that Albo is a bit ''boring'' but I'm confident that Morrison's loud emptiness isn't going to move the needle in his direction much either.

Albo does not need to 'win the election'' in any debates, he just needs to concentrate on a few major policies Labor will focus on/do differently and absolutely hammer Morrison for his failures. He's more than capable of doing that. Whilst I also wouldnt mind something younger, perhaps a bit more charismatic in the ALP leader seat, Albo has proven to be fairly unflappable and largely on point. My confidence in his ability to hold his own in this election is growing.

Sometimes Morrison says some nice things (like his triumphant 'always believe in miracles' moment) but he loves to insert long words in an attempt to sound smart, and it simply comes across as insincere and trying too hard.

Albanese it not the best orator either, but he is an attack dog, and in order to get Labor in office that's what they need. If Labor gets in and doesn't make a hash of it, I can imagine a power struggle down the track between Albanese having 'had his turn' and the younger Jim Chalmers. Is another Keating, Costello or Gillard situation in the future?

 

[Rotayjay]

Why is he wearing his stethoscope on a building site?

He is catering to the dolts who need a doctor to wear a white coat or stethoscope as a cue, otherwise they do not understand.