I think that, at the time, we didn’t quite see how the game was changing, and how it was about to change in future. 2008 was really the last year where teams played anything like man on man.
Roast "The Brownlow is just a midfielder's award"
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But the umpires were already well down the path of only bothering to watch what midfielders are doing.
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All the awards are midfielders medals. There's no way Lachie Neale has half the influence on a football match as Max Gawn. Or guys like Wines etc. They're just accumulators. Good on em'. Gawn had 29 touches on the weekend and its not even his job.
Oh totally agreed.
That said, I don’t blame the umpires. When you have three umpires, you can’t blame them for not seeing the whole thing. Plus they have other duties.
… or Oliver and Petracca?
Fix the scoring system while they're at it.
3-2-1 is an anachronism.
3-2-1 is an anachronism.
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The Coaches award isn't, many non-midfielders have won that award.
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If Fowards have a Coleman Medal, I still think defenders should have a 'Doull' medal for best defensive player of the year.
Weitering saved the game and was probably BOG for our us against our win against Hawthorn a month ago, yet will probably only get 1 brownlow vote (at best)
Weitering saved the game and was probably BOG for our us against our win against Hawthorn a month ago, yet will probably only get 1 brownlow vote (at best)
The Brownlow medal is a flawed concept, because it’s primarily based on “who does the most things with the ball in a match”? Invariably, this will end up being midfielders getting the most recognition.
Picture 3 players during a match with the following stats:
Player 1. Midfielder of team A - 40 disposals, 2 goals.
Player 2. Midfielder of team B (direct opponent to player 1) - 39 disposals 2 goals, 1 behind.
Player 3. Defender from team A - 5 disposals 10 spoils. His direct opponent goalless.
If it was up to Brownlow voting, players 1 and 2 would likely get the top votes, and player 3 may get 1 vote if he’s lucky.
On a match influence perspective, players 1 and 2 have negated each other in the overall influence for their team. Whereas player 3 may have saved a handful of goals from the spoils, and his influence on the match is easily the biggest if compared to the other 2 players.
TLDR - do we want the votes to go the player with the biggest stats (Brownlow trends and likely midfielders) or the biggest influence?
Picture 3 players during a match with the following stats:
Player 1. Midfielder of team A - 40 disposals, 2 goals.
Player 2. Midfielder of team B (direct opponent to player 1) - 39 disposals 2 goals, 1 behind.
Player 3. Defender from team A - 5 disposals 10 spoils. His direct opponent goalless.
If it was up to Brownlow voting, players 1 and 2 would likely get the top votes, and player 3 may get 1 vote if he’s lucky.
On a match influence perspective, players 1 and 2 have negated each other in the overall influence for their team. Whereas player 3 may have saved a handful of goals from the spoils, and his influence on the match is easily the biggest if compared to the other 2 players.
TLDR - do we want the votes to go the player with the biggest stats (Brownlow trends and likely midfielders) or the biggest influence?
Not only that John, if Player 3 had the same fantastic defensive game the following week whilst Player 1 had a complete shocker, Player 1 would still be leading the Brownlow.
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The Brownlow is the umpires award and they can vote for whoever they want.
Criticism of their voting is ridiculous.
Criticism of their voting is ridiculous.
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Gil is the CEO and he makes all the rules. Criticism of Gil is ridiculous.
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The umpires don't insist the Brownlow has to be the most prestigious award
Their main job is umpiring not assessing who the best players are.
Their votes are always correct because they are told to vote on their opinion not supervoach scores and stats.
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They break from stoppage. Neale doesn't/can't. Either can Wines. Not may players have that acceleration.
His 2008 would have made him the best in the comp if it didn’t coincide with the best year of some short bald guy who is in the conversation for Best of All Time.
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That’s not Wines role though, he doesn’t play that way. Comparing players like Bont to wines is silky coz they play different roles. Wines was huge last year, best player in the comp. Main reason we got so close. Well deserved the award.
Same year. Notched up his 99th in the same game Buddy kicked his 100th, only to have Clarko flood the backline to make sure Fev won't kick another.
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