Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[Turbocat]

I have no doubt that West Coast will ask for Humphries in any trade for Reid.

They would be asking about a lot id say but can we see any that would go? Probably several fringe guys who could become regulars over there but it gets old getting done each week

 

[frggr]

I think my only criticism about the ITK posting about Reid and or Butters is that they were named and not referred to as a "mystery mid"

 

[foxdog50]

So in other words, for every Boyd there is NOT another Mannagh, my dear Watson.

Yes Mr Meow...

 

[Turbocat]

Wouldn't Fort be a handy player for Geelong now... Yes

Premiership ruckman now…but I suspect CS would still not be playing him

 

[Mr Meow]

Yes Mr Meow...

Cheer up - it's only BigFooty!

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Keighton has the thunder thighs

 

[Lana]

Keighton has the thunder thighs

Looking forward to them turning him into an inside midfielder

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Because he's played 240 games in the Hoops, he's a premiership player, had worn an All Australian blazer and is dual best & fairest winner - he's earned the right to give himself the best chance of playing senior football this season and being the one to make the call on his future, rather than the club essentially calling time on his career

We need to realise that there's simply no stand out state ruck that's calling for selection at the MSD - Keogh who had been tipped to go to Essendon is now out for the year due to injury, and suggestions are their attention is on Ajang Kuol Mun. If that's who a team with less ruck options than us is looking at, it gives a good indication of the lack of quality options that look like being available

Besides, we've currently got 8 players on our list capable of playing in the ruck and the club will continue back in those players to be able to get the job done this year


The other factor to consider - Stanley is already back running, and not expected to be out for too long and the MSD isn't for another 2.5 weeks, so Stanley could be back before then anyway

It should never be the player's right to make the call (regardless of how good you are) it should always be the club's. And realistically he isn't playing afl again so my point stands.

I do take your point about the lack of ruck stocks out there (given Boyd is already taken). Pity we can't mid season trade a ruck hopefully that rule will come in next year.

 

[Turbocat]

Looking forward to them turning him into an inside midfielder

realistic chance? The bit I saw he made me think of Josh Hunt.

 

[cat_fanatic]

The Reid speculation is juicy.

All the speculation is assuming he does only want to come to Geelong. If he's not fussed, we can pretty much forget it.

The Tassie factor makes it extra interesting, as it is absolutely in WCE best interest to move Reid on this year rather than next, to capitalise on the next two, uncompromised drafts. If they wait until he is out of contract, they will definitely have less to show for it.

Regarding the draft capital some have suggested (i.e. three first round picks +), this would mean that we would likely not have a player inside the top 40 for the next three drafts. This would have a significant impact on our list in around 7 years, with no core players between 24 - 27yo and more likely result in bottoming out in 2032 - 2035.

Is that bottom-out risk worth one player? I don't think it is.

I still think we should play the game, but given the pressure on WCE to make a move this year, we should negotiate from the position of strength that we are in and low-ball the **** out of them. We have time, they don't. We have other players wanting to join us. They don't.

 

[Turbocat]

It should never be the player's right to make the call (regardless of how good you are) it should always be the club's. And realistically he isn't playing afl again so my point stands.

I do take your point about the lack of ruck stocks out there (given Boyd is already taken). Pity we can't mid season trade a ruck hopefully that rule will come in next year.

I suspect the club sees CG as 32 year old that might have more to offer…or might be cooked , based on post22. Dangers performance is probably telling them to forget the chronological and look at the performance.

CGuths contract finishes this year , as afar as a I know , so the crunch is coming for him whether he likes it or not. I doubt he gets a new contract without regaining his regular spot and to do that he need to get fit asap and show what he needs to probably in the VFL. Long odds probably. Time is not on his side ..

I really think the clubs should be looking at the likes of Davidson and Mannagh ..and asking why did we not take them when they were there in the MSD. So the right players are there if they have the core requirements. Has there been a ruck taken that has done well? I too think MStrade would probably be the best way to solve these injury related needs. Its going to be tough to come in from outside and play, the fitness level is probably not high enough.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Has there been a ruck taken that has done well?

This is the problem. The "we need a mature ruck" crowd ignore that there hasn't been a single mature ruck make an immediate impact from the midseason draft.

Moyle is the most talented ruck taken in a mid season draft. He didn't debut for 2 years and 4 years on from the draft he's probably on Conway's level. The next best are guys like Teakle and Ramsden who played a couple of games as number one rucks before being turfed.

It looks like the choices this year are:

Brayden Crossley who is at least 10kg overweight and would get destroyed on big grounds. He trained with the dogs this preseason but they decided to have no backup ruck rather than sign him.

Ajang Kuol Mun who is miles off it and we preferred Pike to him.

SDK and Blicavs are miles better options than these guys. My guess is Chris Scott would prefer Neale as our number one ruck over Crossley. We're just not going to force out a long-term servant of the club like Guthrie for a ruck who is never going to get a game.

 

[frggr]

The Reid speculation is juicy.

All the speculation is assuming he does only want to come to Geelong. If he's not fussed, we can pretty much forget it.

The Tassie factor makes it extra interesting, as it is absolutely in WCE best interest to move Reid on this year rather than next, to capitalise on the next two, uncompromised drafts. If they wait until he is out of contract, they will definitely have less to show for it.

Regarding the draft capital some have suggested (i.e. three first round picks +), this would mean that we would likely not have a player inside the top 40 for the next three drafts. This would have a significant impact on our list in around 7 years, with no core players between 24 - 27yo and more likely result in bottoming out in 2032 - 2035.

Is that bottom-out risk worth one player? I don't think it is.

I still think we should play the game, but given the pressure on WCE to make a move this year, we should negotiate from the position of strength that we are in and low-ball the **** out of them. We have time, they don't. We have other players wanting to join us. They don't.

I reckon we'll be able to trade back in with some canny trading (clubs needing points etc)

Plus grabbing FA players.

 

[cats_09]

This is the problem. The "we need a mature ruck" crowd ignore that there hasn't been a single mature ruck make an immediate impact from the midseason draft.

Moyle is the most talented ruck taken in a mid season draft. He didn't debut for 2 years and 4 years on from the draft he's probably on Conway's level. The next best are guys like Teakle and Ramsden who played a couple of games as number one rucks before being turfed.

It looks like the choices this year are:

Brayden Crossley who is at least 10kg overweight and would get destroyed on big grounds. He trained with the dogs this preseason but they decided to have no backup ruck rather than sign him.

Ajang Kuol Mun who is miles off it and we preferred Pike to him.

SDK and Blicavs are miles better options than these guys. My guess is Chris Scott would prefer Neale as our number one ruck over Crossley. We're just not going to force out a long-term servant of the club like Guthrie for a ruck who is never going to get a game.

While the Bulldogs never formally commented on it, it was universally reported that they overlooked Crossley on fitness concerns and what it would take to get him up to AFL standard

So if any team did pick him up this MSD, there's every likely that it's based on looking towards 2026 rather then what they expect from him in the second half of this season

 

[Turbocat]

This is the problem. The "we need a mature ruck" crowd ignore that there hasn't been a single mature ruck make an immediate impact from the midseason draft.

Moyle is the most talented ruck taken in a mid season draft. He didn't debut for 2 years and 4 years on from the draft he's probably on Conway's level. The next best are guys like Teakle and Ramsden who played a couple of games as number one rucks before being turfed.

It looks like the choices this year are:

Brayden Crossley who is at least 10kg overweight and would get destroyed on big grounds. He trained with the dogs this preseason but they decided to have no backup ruck rather than sign him.

Ajang Kuol Mun who is miles off it and we preferred Pike to him.

SDK and Blicavs are miles better options than these guys. My guess is Chris Scott would prefer Neale as our number one ruck over Crossley. We're just not going to force out a long-term servant of the club like Guthrie for a ruck who is never going to get a game.

Agree. Makes me think if one that was close like Crossley or Mun for example…set his mind to fulltime football fitness they might have a chance of being drafted..as it seems every year there is one club looking at talls. For us , we have a bias towards a tall mid rather than a typical mid. I think we are more chance of finding a tall irish/american athlete than picking a mid 20’s guy. Any basketball steeple chasers looking for a change of sport?

 

[Reg Hickey]

I reckon we'll be able to trade back in with some canny trading (clubs needing points etc)

Plus grabbing FA players.

This.

People were saying a few years ago that we didn't have the youth coming through, but through a combination of smart late picks (eg. Humphries, Dempsey, Clohesy, Neale, Wiltshire and a few more untested yet) and trading (eg. Bazlenka, O. Henry, Bruhn) we suddenly have a really strong under 25 core.

Yes we've also had some higher end picks that have delivered some pretty useful players - Holmes, SDK, Sully for example - but they're not top 10 picks. As you say we'll likely be able to trade back in to late first/second round.

Plus we've shown ourselves to be very good with drafting/trading older players such as Mannagh, Stengle, Atkins, Stewart and Jez to fill gaps and bring in star power.

Not worried.

 

[Turbocat]

The Reid speculation is juicy.

All the speculation is assuming he does only want to come to Geelong. If he's not fussed, we can pretty much forget it.

The Tassie factor makes it extra interesting, as it is absolutely in WCE best interest to move Reid on this year rather than next, to capitalise on the next two, uncompromised drafts. If they wait until he is out of contract, they will definitely have less to show for it.

Regarding the draft capital some have suggested (i.e. three first round picks +), this would mean that we would likely not have a player inside the top 40 for the next three drafts. This would have a significant impact on our list in around 7 years, with no core players between 24 - 27yo and more likely result in bottoming out in 2032 - 2035.

Is that bottom-out risk worth one player? I don't think it is.

I still think we should play the game, but given the pressure on WCE to make a move this year, we should negotiate from the position of strength that we are in and low-ball the **** out of them. We have time, they don't. We have other players wanting to join us. They don't.

If history is a guide.. even if we trade all of our picks ..we still get to draft someone at the end of draft… and although not all work , we tend to find someone. Add Tassy picks when they are looking for players and FA types I think we can absorb it. It would put a stop to the rubbish that WC is in their mire due to the Kelly deal..
.. and I dont mind a few we already have on our list. Maybe a few years ago it would have been problematic but we have done a lot of work changing our age profile.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Yes we've also had some higher end picks that have delivered some pretty useful players - Holmes, SDK, Sully for example - but they're not top 10 picks. As you say we'll likely be able to trade back in to late first/second round.

Good luck trading back into the first round (even a late first) with picks in the 60s.

To be able to do so, we need to assume WC trade Reid to us and leave us some selections of value just to be nice.

The only way I could see us landing Reid + having anything close to an R1 selection would be by trading away players that have some value.

I hope all the good stuff happens for us... I don't see how it is possible without some other club having a shocker and giving us a leg up... and fingers crossed they do.

 

[Turbocat]

Good luck trading back into the first round (even a late first) with picks in the 60s.

To be able to do so, we need to assume WC trade Reid to us and leave us some selections of value just to be nice.

The only way I could see us landing Reid + having anything close to an R1 selection would be by trading away players that have some value.

I hope all the good stuff happens for us... I don't see how it is possible without some other club having a shocker and giving us a leg up... and fingers crossed they do.

True.

Id put money on us losing someone to Tas…and when players miss out they look around ..so we will gather picks..of some sort .R1 who knows. Id also say we might have to be agressivly proactive at some stage. If we have depth in one role then maybe we lose a player or two… We seem to be well stocked in small forwards for example … can all get games?

 

[Turbocat]

With the discussion on Tdek to Sts…. what would Rowan Marshall

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Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

be worth ?

 

[frggr]

True.

Id put money on us losing someone to Tas…and when players miss out they look around ..so we will gather picks..of some sort .R1 who knows. Id also say we might have to be agressivly proactive at some stage. If we have depth in one role then maybe we lose a player or two… We seem to be well stocked in small forwards for example … can all get games?

We'll just ask for a priority pick

Virtually every club other than us has had one, so the AFL should just hand one over

/sarcasm

 

[cats_09]

It should never be the player's right to make the call (regardless of how good you are) it should always be the club's. And realistically he isn't playing afl again so my point stands.

I do take your point about the lack of ruck stocks out there (given Boyd is already taken). Pity we can't mid season trade a ruck hopefully that rule will come in next year.

While I agree to an extent with your first sentence, that's not necessarily how it works - if we're honest, Joel would have been given another 1yr deal if he asked for it after 2022, but Mitch Hardie wasn't getting a contract extension after last year

But that's also a decision to be had in the second half of the season, not one that's had 8 weeks into the season when the veteran player is back training with teammates - whether Guthrie makes a return to senior football is still to be seen, and this last push may all be about getting that one last game in front of the fans. But even if he doesn't play at the level to hold his spot in the seniors, he could still have an impact in the VFL which could be just as valuable on those youngsters in future years

If we were desperate to open a list spot, I'd be more inclined to look at a youngster like Lenny Hoffman who's out indefinitely with a back concern - tell him to take his focus off playing this season and that instead it should be on getting his back right for next year and beyond. And as a sign of good faith, could even offer a 1yr extension to show we're backing him in and to give him but best chance of showing what he can do


The question then becomes who would we most likely be looking at in the MSD - is it a ruck where there really hasn't been success with that to date, or someone like Kreuger or McCartin to add some tall depth to the list

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Looking forward to them turning him into an inside midfielder

I had a similar thought but I don't think he has the endurance yet. Needs really good pre seasons.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

While I agree to an extent with your first sentence, that's not necessarily how it works - if we're honest, Joel would have been given another 1yr deal if he asked for it after 2022, but Mitch Hardie wasn't getting a contract extension after last year

But that's also a decision to be had in the second half of the season, not one that's had 8 weeks into the season when the veteran player is back training with teammates - whether Guthrie makes a return to senior football is still to be seen, and this last push may all be about getting that one last game in front of the fans. But even if he doesn't play at the level to hold his spot in the seniors, he could still have an impact in the VFL which could be just as valuable on those youngsters in future years

If we were desperate to open a list spot, I'd be more inclined to look at a youngster like Lenny Hoffman who's out indefinitely with a back concern - tell him to take his focus off playing this season and that instead it should be on getting his back right for next year and beyond. And as a sign of good faith, could even offer a 1yr extension to show we're backing him in and to give him but best chance of showing what he can do


The question then becomes who would we most likely be looking at in the MSD - is it a ruck where there really hasn't been success with that to date, or someone like Kreuger or McCartin to add some tall depth to the list

I'm more talking about the principle of it though and Tbh someone like selwood would never put the club in that position as he would retire before that (which he essentially did). But the club comes first not the player I disagree that it's the players call. The club has to play them as that's contractual but the club puts its own interests first re inactive list.

I do agree with your other bit that if we open a list spot it would be more likely a kid like Lenny assuming the afl doesn't allow us to use the bruhn spot. But my point still remains cam will realistically not be durable enough to be considered for afl so if the club decided to inactive him that would be perfectly understandable.

On msd if we went that way I would probably go kreuger as he's in good form and it gives us insurance at both ends if either Henry gets injured again (why is kolo injured again what's going on there) or if neale keeps underperformed. He can pinch hit as the 2nd ruck if needed.
The other option is get the best mature state league ruck you can but I agree the options are thin.

 

[Gunf]

We'll just ask for a priority pick

Virtually every club other than us has had one, so the AFL should just hand one over

/sarcasm

Some clubs have had more priority picks then we have had top 10 picks