Review R10: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[Samcro24]

Any win over a red hot Port Adelaide is nothing to be sneezed at

They’re a powerful side

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think it has to do with our slow transition. It allows opp to crowd our F50. I also think that we remain Tex focussed and when he is in, RT basically gets the ball dropped on his head - he becomes the bail out option.

Just unreal with all these issues that somehow we score more goals than anyone else and in the case of the showdown with far less inside 50s

Even pies game we had more scoring shots , seems perculiar that we’d somehow move the ball slowly and from what you’re insinuating poorly and achieve these things don’t you think ?

Do we have a dominant midfield that must just supply our forward line with way more to achieve these numbers ?

We know the answer is absolutely NOT

What a rubbish post , what you’re suggesting isn’t our problem at all , we have far bigger problems than ball movement which is actually one of our biggest strengths

 

[feenix67]

Just unreal with all these issues that somehow we score more goals than anyone else and in the case of the showdown with far less inside 50s

Even pies game we had more scoring shots , seems perculiar that we’d somehow move the ball slowly and from what you’re insinuating poorly and achieve these things don’t you think ?

Do we have a dominant midfield that must just supply our forward line with way more to achieve these numbers ?

We know the answer is absolutely NOT

What a rubbish post , what you’re suggesting isn’t our problem at all , we have far bigger problems than ball movement which is actually one of our biggest strengths

Yeah... in your clamour to wave your dick at me (once again), you make some very poor assertions.

Our slow transition leads to shallow entries which leads to inefficiency inside 50. When your main scoring options are being drawn up the ground by stagnant one lane ball movement, that's a problem.

But sure, if you're happy with how we've been moving the ball in the last few games, knock yourself out.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yeah... in your clamour to wave your dick at me (once again), you make some very poor assertions.

Our slow transition leads to shallow entries which leads to inefficiency inside 50. When your main scoring options are being drawn up the ground by stagnant one lane ball movement, that's a problem.

But sure, if you're happy with how we've been moving the ball in the last few games, knock yourself out.

It’s amazing how we score so many goals

Sheer miracle

 

[feenix67]

It’s amazing how we score so many goals

Sheer miracle

soooo....

First five games: avg 120 points
Last five games: avg 77 points

Our scores from Defensive half have dropped by a third since R5

Our efficiency inside 50 has dropped 10% since R5

Our disposal chains to score % has dropped by about 15% since R5

Our ball movement was short kick dominant and we averaged

237 uncontested possessions with an average +29 differential to R5

Then we started playing the good old bombing game and we averaged

200 uncontested possessions with an average -8 differential since R5

I mean, the stats dont lie and thats before the eye test, which the numbers above just confirm. I could keep digging through stats to prove the point, but I dont think I need to. Consider also all those drop offs post round 5 include absolutely belting a hopeless Carlton.

Oh, one more - in the first half last week, Collingwood switched lanes on transition 13 times. We did it twice.

Now you can keep making your flaccid little argument at me if you like, but it'll just confirm what we all suspected of you anyway.

 

[Huang LoWel]

It’s amazing how we score so many goals

Sheer miracle

The Crows are now rated 3rd best defensive team in the comp according to Champion data, and now one of the slowest ball moving teams in the comp. End result, significant drop in offensive output. Info provided by Champion data who track winning trends, right. Classic Nicks over reaction, despite winning by kicking high scores but allowing the op to also score, instead stifles our best asset - offence. I get stats are not everything, but this is obvious isn't it? The Crows brains trust are obsessed with stats that do not matter, eg hit outs but ignore the stats that history shows wins premierships. I don't get it.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

The Crows are now rated 3rd best defensive team in the comp according to Champion data, and now one of the slowest ball moving teams in the comp. End result, significant drop in offensive output. Info provided by Champion data who track winning trends, right. Classic Nicks over reaction, despite winning by kicking high scores but allowing the op to also score, instead stifles our best asset - offence. I get stats are not everything, but this is obvious isn't it? The Crows brains trust are obsessed with stats that do not matter, eg hit outs but ignore the stats that history shows wins premierships. I don't get it.

"The man has no instincts. Just stincts"

 

[Jeffcrowe]

soooo....

First five games: avg 120 points
Last five games: avg 77 points

Our scores from Defensive half have dropped by a third since R5

Our efficiency inside 50 has dropped 10% since R5

Our disposal chains to score % has dropped by about 15% since R5

Our ball movement was short kick dominant and we averaged

237 uncontested possessions with an average +29 differential to R5

Then we started playing the good old bombing game and we averaged

200 uncontested possessions with an average -8 differential since R5

I mean, the stats dont lie and thats before the eye test, which the numbers above just confirm. I could keep digging through stats to prove the point, but I dont think I need to. Consider also all those drop offs post round 5 include absolutely belting a hopeless Carlton.

Oh, one more - in the first half last week, Collingwood switched lanes on transition 13 times. We did it twice.

Now you can keep making your flaccid little argument at me if you like, but it'll just confirm what we all suspected of you anyway.

And yet we are the no 1 team for scores for

teams adjust and scout our methods , the game evolves . Scores for go down as season goes on and gets more dour , winter kicks in etc

Lack of midfield ascendancy explains more than trying to pin it on ball movement


Even the pies game our scoring source was way more scores from turnover than it was from clearance (as it has been most of year ) - no doubt you’ve got some stats

Without our ball movement we’d be bottom 6-8 side such is our inconsistent midfield

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The Crows are now rated 3rd best defensive team in the comp according to Champion data, and now one of the slowest ball moving teams in the comp. End result, significant drop in offensive output. Info provided by Champion data who track winning trends, right. Classic Nicks over reaction, despite winning by kicking high scores but allowing the op to also score, instead stifles our best asset - offence. I get stats are not everything, but this is obvious isn't it? The Crows brains trust are obsessed with stats that do not matter, eg hit outs but ignore the stats that history shows wins premierships. I don't get it.

And yet after this week we will be the clear no 1 scoring side in comp at approaching half way point , not bad if we can be a good defensive side as well . The balance is difficult

He’s trying to build a more sustainable style , I get what he’s doing , not sure he’s got the coaching ability to pull it off

 

[CrowBloke]

It’s amazing how we score so many goals

Sheer miracle

I like your optimism and spirit.
I know you're a Crows supporter. All of us are. We all want the same thing.

Wins. Sooo many wins that we win a Flag, again, after a 27-year drought.

So I have nothing personal against you at all. In a way, we're on the same team.

Now, another poster said previously that after the first 3 rounds (which we won with big scores), the Crows have been the lowest-scoring team in the 8, currently.

The lowest-scoring team in the 8 over the last 7 rounds.

Please, stop crowing about "how we score so many goals" --- that was then, this is now --- since that 3-0 start (which was good: I loved those 10-goal wins), we've been 3-4 and our % has decreased by 40% (164 ==>124).

It's a good thing we got those early wins + % on the board, because our last 7 games have not been great, at all, with the exception of the Carlton hiding(our bunnies). Scraped in against a woeful PA
We have not beaten a single team currently above us, nor Geelong.

It's just not good enough, right now.
Seriously, can you see us beating any of the 5 teams above us, on current form? I do not.
The whole Comp. should fear Collingwood, the Suns, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs, and if Brisbane find their Mojo (and Charlie Cameron finds his) they're a massive threat.

We are also-rans, making up the numbers and not a Flag threat in 2025.

 

[feenix67]

And yet we are the no 1 team for scores for

teams adjust and scout our methods , the game evolves . Scores for go down as season goes on and gets more dour , winter kicks in etc

Lack of midfield ascendancy explains more than trying to pin it on ball movement


Even the pies game our scoring source was way more scores from turnover than it was from clearance (as it has been most of year ) - no doubt you’ve got some stats

Without our ball movement we’d be bottom 6-8 side such is our inconsistent midfield

What were Collingwoods score sources mate? You're killing your own argument.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

What were Collingwoods score sources mate? You're killing your own argument.

Why ? We are talking about our ball movement not theirs

 

[Southerntakeover]

This is the is the most 2025 thing ever.
The players missing absolutely gimme shots on goals is the fault of the coach for something he said in a press conference before the game!

You talk about blame culture, this is it right here. God forbid the players actually take some accountability.

Fmd

Is that one of the options? We'll be dropping people who don't perform?

 

[feenix67]

Why ? We are talking about our ball movement not theirs

Mate I'll leave you to flog your own dead horse. I've given enough evidence to support my position.

 

[1970crow]

Any win over a red hot Port Adelaide is nothing to be sneezed at

Not being bulldozed by a more powerful side is quite an accomplishment.

 

[George CantStandYa]

And yet after this week we will be the clear no 1 scoring side in comp at approaching half way point , not bad if we can be a good defensive side as well . The balance is difficult

He’s trying to build a more sustainable style , I get what he’s doing , not sure he’s got the coaching ability to pull it off

Come on that’s stretching it a bit and you’re missing his point, our scoring has dropped as Nicks has over corrected again.

Our total points scored is massively impacted from rounds 1-3 when we attacked and scored 410 in 3 rounds, averaging 136. We’ve scored 100 points twice since then. Referring to our total is pointless if it concludes those scores when we played differently. How do we stack up since?

As for being the leading scoring team, Gold Coast are 53 points behind us having played 1 less game. Bulldogs are currently 54 ahead of us. Hawks and Geelong aren’t far behind us.

 

[Hodgy]

Come on that’s stretching it a bit and you’re missing his point, our scoring has dropped as Nicks has over corrected again.

Our total points scored is massively impacted from rounds 1-3 when we attacked and scored 410 in 3 rounds, averaging 136. We’ve scored 100 points twice since then. Referring to our total is pointless if it concludes those scores when we played differently. How do we stack up since?

As for being the leading scoring team, Gold Coast are 53 points behind us having played 1 less game. Bulldogs are currently 54 ahead of us. Hawks and Geelong aren’t far behind us.

He said we would be the highest scoring team after this week, and it’s hard to argue seeing the side WC will be sending over. The other thing is we have played in 2 wet weather games since round 3, it does make a difference to scoring total when you are only talking about 6 games. Give us most of our games at Telstra like Bulldogs and I’m pretty sure we would be even further up.

The other point is do people really think Nicks has just pulled a lever and “overcorrected” us from best scoring team to 3rd best defense? Really? Because if he has that level of control over his AFL team then I think that would make him the most influential coach in history.

 

[feenix67]

He said we would be the highest scoring team after this week, and it’s hard to argue seeing the side WC will be sending over. The other thing is we have played in 2 wet weather games since round 3, it does make a difference to scoring total when you are only talking about 6 games. Give us most of our games at Telstra like Bulldogs and I’m pretty sure we would be even further up.

The other point is do people really think Nicks has just pulled a lever and “overcorrected” us from best scoring team to 3rd best defense? Really? Because if he has that level of control over his AFL team then I think that would make him the most influential coach in history.

You missed last season did you?

 

[George CantStandYa]

He said we would be the highest scoring team after this week, and it’s hard to argue seeing the side WC will be sending over. The other thing is we have played in 2 wet weather games since round 3, it does make a difference to scoring total when you are only talking about 6 games. Give us most of our games at Telstra like Bulldogs and I’m pretty sure we would be even further up.

The other point is do people really think Nicks has just pulled a lever and “overcorrected” us from best scoring team to 3rd best defense? Really? Because if he has that level of control over his AFL team then I think that would make him the most influential coach in history.

So you’re going with the total points thing too and ignoring the points we scored in the first 3 games? Nicks then went on record and said we needed to address points scored against and changed things up.

West Coast have conceded 4 scores above 100 this year, it’s not like teams are kicking huge scores against them every week.

Ah the rain, you’ve clearly then done a comparison for the other teams and how many games they’ve played in the rain too….

 

[feenix67]

So you’re going with the total points thing too and ignoring the points we scored in the first 3 games? Nicks then went on record and said we needed to address points scored against and changed things up.

West Coast have conceded 4 scores above 100 this year, it’s not like teams are kicking huge scores against them every week.

Ah the rain, you’ve clearly then done a comparison for the other teams and how many games they’ve played in the rain too….

Mate, dont hurt their feelings with facts.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Come on that’s stretching it a bit and you’re missing his point, our scoring has dropped as Nicks has over corrected again.

Our total points scored is massively impacted from rounds 1-3 when we attacked and scored 410 in 3 rounds, averaging 136. We’ve scored 100 points twice since then. Referring to our total is pointless if it concludes those scores when we played differently. How do we stack up since?

As for being the leading scoring team, Gold Coast are 53 points behind us having played 1 less game. Bulldogs are currently 54 ahead of us. Hawks and Geelong aren’t far behind us.

Let’s see where we are in 4 weeks time

Judging it post wet weather game on mcg against best defence in league and also off back of dour giants game in windy blustery defensive conditions is also stretching it

I think after round 13 or 14 is best time to judge

Also need to remember lots of melb teams play indoors at marvel = fast dry footy all year round and we are yet to play a game there

 

[George CantStandYa]

Let’s see where we are in 4 weeks time

Judging it post wet weather game on mcg against best defence in league and also off back of dour giants game in windy blustery defensive conditions is also stretching it

I think after round 13 or 14 is best time to judge

Also need to remember lots of melb teams play indoors at marvel = fast dry footy all year round and we are yet to play a game there

But you weren’t judging it last night after round 13&14, you said after this round.

You’d also have to acknowledge there’s been a change in gameplan that has impacted our scoring.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

But you weren’t judging it last night after round 13&14, you said after this round.

You’d also have to acknowledge there’s been a change in gameplan that has impacted our scoring.

Yep a necessary change in game plan

But you’re right, there is a balance and it can go too far the other way

At this stage maybe the sample size of our scoring isn’t great enough yet and we need to give it a few more games to see where it’s at

It’s also a pity we don’t play a little bit more at marvel which would suit us

 

[feenix67]

Yep a necessary change in game plan

But you’re right, there is a balance and it can go too far the other way

At this stage maybe the sample size of our scoring isn’t great enough yet and we need to give it a few more games to see where it’s at

It’s also a pity we don’t play a little bit more at marvel which would suit us

That so called "necessary change" hasn't achieved anything though.

First 5 rounds we had one match with a negative UP differential (-13 v North), post round 5 we have only had one game with a positive UP diff (+62 v Carlton). We are getting less clear ball on the outside which has resulted in scrappier ball movement, and in the process, teams are getting a higher amount of outside ball against us.

My original post, that you called rubbish, opined that our slower ball movement had resulted in a less effective avenue to RT, responding to a poster who made that observation. ALL the stats that have bn presented to you, plus a cursory look at our games since round 5, point to my opinion being at least plausible, hardly rubbish.

You've gone from "thats rubbish, why do we score so high blah blah fap fap" to "aww lets see in 4 weeks, maybe the sample size is too small, jeez I wish we played at Marvel more often, it would suit us". Yeah, maybe if we played Carlton more often it would help, because that would suit us too...

Talk about rubbish posting, yours is the absolute definition of that term.

 

[rocket18]

The other point is do people really think Nicks has just pulled a lever and “overcorrected” us from best scoring team to 3rd best defense? Really? Because if he has that level of control over his AFL team then I think that would make him the most influential coach in history.

Welcome to supporting the Crows, if you had supported us last year you would've seen exactly this "overcorrection" you talk about.

Not sure who else you think sets the gameplan and tactics other than the coach. Do you think the players have a chat before the game to decide the game plan and tactics?

"OK guys, how are we all feeling today? Shall we be more attacking or park the bus and just defend?"