Coach Carlton under Voss

[Kram]

The people have spoken.

 

[Pistol Night]

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The people have spoken.

We can eliminate all Carlton supporters from this vandalism i think

 

[Bostonian]

Feel sorry for Voss - it can't be any fun standing there knowing your team doesn't care about you and isn't playing for you anymore.

Knowing that you've sucked two clubs into paying you senior coach money for nearly 10 years must feel like an achievement though.

Especially when a reality tv show exposed you as being a rubbish coach.

 

[Daics35Marvel]

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The people have spoken.

Has anyone checked Vossy’s hands for black paint?

 

[bourbons]

Just wow. Don't think I've ever seen a more mentally shattered footy team, and dad worked for Fitzroy during their death throes

Seeing Port run around doing whatever they wanted, breaking "tackles" with ease, and just physically overwhelming Carlton with no problems.....this is a team that's given up and doesn't care.

Yep sure looks that way. Utterly checked out, almost to a man, all over the ground. Some of those efforts from Cripps and Weiters, gee whiz

 

[StillAtLarge]

Knowing that you've sucked two clubs into paying you senior coach money for nearly 10 years must feel like an achievement though.

Especially when a reality tv show exposed you as being a rubbish coach.

I remember when Voss did special comments for channel 10, he didn't strike me as particularly intelligent or strategic then. Was surprised he got another gig after Brisbane

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Knowing that you've sucked two clubs into paying you senior coach money for nearly 10 years must feel like an achievement though.

Especially when a reality tv show exposed you as being a rubbish coach.

Ross Lyon has done it for longer and he even sucked in the same club twice.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Voss is part it of but its pretty clear this list is just in a shocking state.

They just need to bite the bullet and do a hard rebuild. Every single senior player should be on the table for the right price.

 

[Bostonian]

Ross Lyon has done it for longer and he even sucked in the same club twice.

How many GF has Ross coached in? Then how many GF has Voss coached in?

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Its nearly mid day EST, is the Carlton board still asleep? Would have expected some kind of announcement by now.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Voss is part it of but its pretty clear this list is just in a shocking state.

They just need to bite the bullet and do a hard rebuild. Every single senior player should be on the table for the right price.

Who has trade value that is not already leaving?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Geelong 2006 not relevant - different talent level completely and weren't plumbing the depths

Richmond 2016-2017 was a freak event and will likely not happen again, but its myth may continue to suck several struggling clubs into doubling down on bad situations for years to come.

 

[Pistol Night]

Geelong 2006 not relevant - different talent level completely and weren't plumbing the depths

Richmond 2016-2017 was a freak event and will likely not happen again, but its myth may continue to suck several struggling clubs into doubling down on bad situations for years to come.

The fact they think their list is anything near Geelong 06 and Richmond 16 is beyond delusional

 

[PP34]

The fact they think their list is anything near Geelong 06 and Richmond 16 is beyond delusional

They?

Vast majority of blues fans don’t think this

 

[PetterdHoisted]

The fact they think their list is anything near Geelong 06 and Richmond 16 is beyond delusional

I don't think it's so ridiculous to compare to Richmond 2016 BUT for the analogy to hold there has to be a gameplan change on the cards that unlocks impact for the middle and bottom tier of the list.

I'm not seeing that from Voss for Carlton, the list feels too one-typed to have that option.

But who knows, send him off to visit some US colleges over summer, get some new assistants around him, and a new club psych, and let's see!

 

[Pistol Night]

I don't think it's so ridiculous to compare to Richmond 2016 BUT for the analogy to hold there has to be a gameplan change on the cards that unlocks impact for the middle and bottom tier of the list.

I'm not seeing that from Voss for Carlton, the list feels too one-typed to have that option.

But who knows, send him off to visit some US colleges over summer, get some new assistants around him, and a new club psych, and let's see!

They'd need alot more pace to play any other way. They've built a contested ball side when the game has gone past it

 

[jackster83]

The fact they think their list is anything near Geelong 06 and Richmond 16 is beyond delusional

Every underperforming shit truck team now compares themselves to Richmond 2016 or Brisbane from early last year.

It has become a competition of no accountability whatsoever.

 

[Fadge]

Every underperforming shit truck team now compares themselves to Richmond 2016 or Brisbane from early last year.

It has become a competition of no accountability whatsoever.

Remember the thread 'Carlton 2012 = Geelong 2006'?

LOLOL

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Who has trade value that is not already leaving?

Cripps Curnow Walsh etc etc

No one should be off the table if the picks are good

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

It’s been a few years since Carlton sacked a coach.

What’s the average since Parkin’s first stint, like 1x every 4 years?

 

[DidakDelight]

Graffiti going off tap down at Ikon Park

 

[Chism]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out after 1 flukey season and a Prelim final appearance.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one, move on and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him but is the common uneducated opinion nowadays. No coach we have sacked in the last 30years has ever gone to another team and succeeded in the same role making our decision to move on from them the wrong one.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final last year. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

 

[zhoung]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out after 1 flukey season and a Prelim final appearance.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one, move on and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him but is the common uneducated opinion nowadays. No coach we have sacked in the last 30years has ever gone to another team and succeeded in the same role making our decision to move on from them the wrong one.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final last year. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

An awkward silence followed the clinking of glasses when Collingwood’s coaching sub-committee invited Craig McRae for a beer after a long interview in 2021.

McRae mistakenly thought he was about to be offered the job. Quickly he realised the interview was still going but in a social setting.

This was not going to be a short process. The Magpies had respectfully parted ways with Nathan Buckley in June, granting them three months to appoint his successor.

Initially there were 92 names scribbled on a whiteboard and it took McRae an initial coffee catch-up, three or four presentations – one of them lasting three hours – and a psych profile before he won the job.

The exhaustive process led by football boss Graham Wright, football director Paul Licuria and then-chief executive Mark Anderson might be the most thorough coach search the game has seen.

And Collingwood didn’t just identify its next senior coach – but the next three AFL senior coach appointments, with short-listed candidates Michael Voss taking over at Carlton weeks later and runner-up Adam Kingsley joining Greater Western Sydney one year later.

The other candidate who went deep, West Coast’s Jaymie Graham, had to present virtually due to Covid and is now in charge of Fremantle’s forward line.

THE CRITERIA

The appointment of the low-profile McRae surprised the Magpie masses. But the club’s criteria fitted McRae’s resume like a glove.

“We were looking for someone who was very strong-relationship based, strong tactically, was an educator that developed talents and someone that had been successful both as a player, but importantly then post-career,” Anderson said.

“And certainly ‘Fly’ ticked all of those boxes and was impressive from the first phase.”

Educator? McRae qualified as a secondary school teacher while playing for the Brisbane Lions.

Successful as a player? McRae won three flags at the Lions.

Post-career? McRae was also a part of three premierships as an assistant coach at Richmond.

Developed talents? McRae was Collingwood’s head of development from 2011-15 and coached the VFL Tigers to the 2017 premiership.

Premiership Magpie Luke Ball joined Collingwood’s selection panel when the hunt had been narrowed to four or five candidates. He recounted first-hand how dedicated McRae was to development.

“My vivid memory of ‘Fly’ was over a three or four-month off-season he genuinely taught Mason Cox to kick, just through spending time with him,” Ball said.

“So this is time out of work hours. I remember my first interaction with big Coxy he could barely hit his boot with the ball.

“But ‘Fly’ was instrumental and Jamie Elliott was young and Brodie Grundy was young, they were starting their careers at that time as well.”

BLUES JOIN SEARCH

Carlton’s messy sacking of David Teague transpired one week before McRae won the Collingwood job.

Like most clubs who enter the market, the Blues didn’t have the luxury of three months to make a decision. For the second time in three years they wanted to interview Voss.

But Voss was entrenched in Port Adelaide’s finals campaign and said he did not have the mental power to apply for a senior job while trying to win a premiership.

It led to a condensed two-week process stacked with conference calls and meetings after Port lost the preliminary final.

Carlton president Luke Sayers and chief executive Brian Cook attended the final interview to ask their own questions.

Again, Kingsley was the bridesmaid while Daniel Giansiracusa (Essendon assistant) and Andrew McQualter (Richmond assistant) were also short-listed.

In effect Collingwood said no to Voss, and Ross Lyon and Alastair Clarkson (twice) said no to Carlton. Then Carlton said yes to Voss.

The Blues were thrilled to bits and last week football boss Brad Lloyd said: “(He is) one of the best things to happen to our footy club, Vossy, with coming in and the leadership he shows.”

The appointment was duly celebrated as two great mates from that champion Lions era were handed the keys to Victorian powerhouses.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out after 1 flukey season and a Prelim final appearance.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one, move on and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him but is the common uneducated opinion nowadays. No coach we have sacked in the last 30years has ever gone to another team and succeeded in the same role making our decision to move on from them the wrong one.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final last year. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

probably agree, I'm starting to realise that all the really good coaches have borderline personality disorders themselves

Fagan and David Parkin come to mind as counter-examples, seem like gentlemen.

He might crack it occasionally, but Voss is way too normal, and what that means for the even more passive-normal Yze...

But soft cap issues if they sack now?

 

[Cdog71]

It’s pretty infamous a Richmond supporter spitting on Danny Frawley but I’m surprised that Carlton hasn’t come out to push back on the way the supporters just hurl abuse at em over the race at the end of games.
They need to protect their players but it looks like the club wants the memevwrahip money more than showing the playing group they’re in it with them.
Carlton supporters are probably the worst for that at the moment and every time I’ve heard Voss or even the GM talking at the airport after yesterdays game calling them passionate supporters…they should be telling them to fk off.
It just doesn’t seem like there’s anyone being positive about what they have and what they can do.
Collingwood had some injuries last year and missed the finals.
Maybe Carlton don’t have the depth and if all the best players aren’t out there playing at their best they fall away..but FMD believe in what your doing.
Cancelling and moving the membership day because of a loss to Richmond in Rnd 1 is weak as piss and I think it’s another example of Cow tailing to influence.
The whole club looks like it’s worried about what the members and supporters think and it’s fkd em.

I dunno about Voss as a coach but looking from the outside it looks like they don’t believe and that’s on the whole club.