VFL VFL Round 14 v Southport - Saturday June 28. 12:05pm @ Frankhauser Reserve.

[Mollythedolly]

We did pretty well in 2023, but 20th last year was an utter embarrassment. Circumstances did make it tough for Josh in 2024, but I think it was reasonable that we brought in a new coach. We've had an okay run with injuries this year (senior list), yet there were 12 AFL list players not playing today, so it was a heavily watered down line-up. It was a superb effort to go up there and win that one, and I'm happy to give Otten a big pat on the back for what he's doing.

Yep, not questioning the change in coach, just stating that there are factors neither Otten or Fraser could control which have contributed to the respective performances. Even with the 12 players unavailable today, Otten still had 10 senior players out there. There were matches last year where Fraser only had 3-4, and 1 of those on managed time. I also think we’ve vastly improved our VFL list with the clean out during the preseason.

 

[Jen2310]

Yep, not questioning the change in coach, just stating that there are factors neither Otten or Fraser could control which have contributed to the respective performances. Even with the 12 players unavailable today, Otten still had 10 senior players out there. There were matches last year where Fraser only had 3-4, and 1 of those on managed time. I also think we’ve vastly improved our VFL list with the clean out during the preseason.

Agree. I think its more than the coach.
Turned over our VFL list. I reckon only 9-10 (out of 26) remain from last year. We recruited better. Not just from local, but from the coates league. Got some extra undrafted talent. The likes of Mason. Browne (pre injury) the inclusion of Brady Grey for experience. Harry's brother Max seems to be a main stay now. Eyre looks like he can play.
The game plan is the same as it was, but also a healthier senior list helps too.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Full time

Southport 9.10.64
Collingwood 10.13.73

Goals: Murphy 2, H Mahoney 2, Kennedy 2, Steele, Mason, Hayes, Bennetts

Disposals: Mitchell 28, DeMattia 23, Steele 19, H Mahoney 18, Glover 17, Cochran 16, Grey 15, Kennedy 14, Hayes 12

AF: Mitchell 94, Kennedy 78, Steele 73, H Mahoney 65, Glover 64

 

[jmac70]

Full time

Southport 9.10.64
Collingwood 10.13.73

Goals: Murphy 2, H Mahoney 2, Kennedy 2, Steele, Mason, Hayes, Bennetts

Disposals: Mitchell 28, DeMattia 23, Steele 19, H Mahoney 18, Glover 17, Cochran 16, Grey 15, Kennedy 14, Hayes 12

AF: Mitchell 94, Kennedy 78, Steele 73, H Mahoney 65, Glover 64

Looks like HDM played well.

 

[stormskye]

Looks like HDM played well.

He’d be prob top 5 worst players on the day jmac. A big disappointment. Non stop turned it over, cost us atleast 3 goals. Can’t recall him winning a clearance. Have high hopes but he’s a long way off

 

[jmac70]

He’d be prob top 5 worst players on the day jmac. A big disappointment.

Really? He got a bit of the ball.

 

[stormskye]

Really? He got a bit of the ball.

A very deceiving stat

 

[sr36]

Really? He got a bit of the ball.

His ball handling is very good, so he's getting it a lot as a mid - the rest of his game needs a heap of improvement.

 

[jmac70]

A very deceiving stat

I reckon the kid will become a good player.

 

[stormskye]

I reckon the kid will become a good player.

I hope he does. But his disposal by both hand and foot is terrible atm. Perhaps more decision making than execution. Not seeing him winning clearance either but our whole team is down on that.

In positive news Mitchell was excellent

 

[jmac70]

Very strong Southport team

Probably our weakest team of year

Interstate

Keep margin under 50 and we have done well

Looks like we’ve exceeded your expectations

 

[sr36]

I hope he does. But his disposal by both hand and foot is terrible atm. Perhaps more decision making than execution. Not seeing him winning clearance either but our whole team is down on that.

In positive news Mitchell was excellent

On the composure scale, he's about as far away from Pendles as you can get. Just always looked rushed.

 

[stormskye]

North supporters thought they’d turned a corner after beating Carlton, forgetting that it’s Carlton

 

[JoinDate]

Uhm...

 

[Rail King]

I think that Andy Otten hasn't been given anywhere near enough credit for what has been a huge turnaround in this team's fortunes in 2025. Josh Fraser has moved on to another role at the club, and maybe he's better suited there, but Otten has them playing a much better brand of football, and we're winning games. Including today's game, where we wouldn't have been expected (by many) to win!

Stood behind the bench today, and the coach was going off all day yelling instructions and was super enthusiastic. Taking messages through headphones at the same time, from assistants in the box behind.
Very impressive.

 

[3rdMan]

Really like the look of Roan Steele. Looks a good run and carry player, who finds the footy. Also looks to enjoy the contested possession, and doesn't shirk a bump or any body contact. Could be a chance for a senior game at some point of the season....

I think Steele will play if his form and discipline is there. See him as a targeted selection for more pace and run as an AFL option.

If things go to plan we're going to have some "meaningless" games late this season, then, or even before, will be a chance to experiment a bit.

 

[Capital Magpie]

North supporters thought they’d turned a corner after beating Carlton, forgetting that it’s Carlton

Wrong thread mate, you're lost I'm afraid

 

[Kappa]

Really like the look of Roan Steele. Looks a good run and carry player, who finds the footy. Also looks to enjoy the contested possession, and doesn't shirk a bump or any body contact. Could be a chance for a senior game at some point of the season....

You'd hope so, he was recruited for an immediate impact.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[rand corp]

Dimattia = NATO (not another turn over)

 

[Jen2310]

Stats.

AFL -

Tom Mitchell - 29 disposals, 8 clearances, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50's
Harry DeMattia - 24 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50's
Roan Steele - 21 disposals, 1 goal, 3 tackles, 3 marks, 5 score involvements, 7 intercepts
Joel Cochran - 19 disposals, 5 marks, 9 intercepts
Will Hayes - 13 disposals, 1 goal, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 5 inside 50's
Illro Smit - 11 disposals, 6 marks, 6 intercepts
Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

35

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

- 10 disposals, 3 marks, 25 hitouts
Noah Howes - 9 disposals, 3 behinds, 3 marks, 5 score involvements
Jakob Ryan (Injured in 1st Q) - 8 disposals, 3 marks
Oscar Steene - 7 disposals, 6 hitouts, 3 clearances

VFL -

Harry Mahoney - 18 disposals, 2 goals, 4 inside 50's, 6 score involvements, 5 intercepts
Sam Glover - 18 disposals, 4 marks, 7 intercepts
Brady Grey

Brady Grey

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

4.2

5star

G

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

- 17 disposals, 3 marks, 5 clearances, 4 inside 50's, 4 score involvements
Harry Kennedy - 16 disposals, 2 goals, 7 marks
Matt O'Brien - 13 disposals, 5 tackles, 3 marks
Chad Mulvogue - 12 disposals, 3 marks, 2 tackles
Riley Mason - 12 disposals, 1 goal, 3 marks
Ryan Eyre - 11 disposals, 3 intercepts
Josh Murphy - 10 disposals, 2 goals, 2 behinds, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements
Max Mahoney - 8 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles
Josh Bennetts - 8 disposals, 1 goal, 4 marks, 3 tackles
Ben De Bolfo - 6 disposals, 4 marks
Ned Byrne - 5 disposals, 2 tackles

 

[Kappa]

Whats up with Howes?

Was killing SANFL now struggling to have any impact

 

[901023]

Whats up with Howes?

Was killing SANFL now struggling to have any impact

Don't think he ever 'killed' the SANFL. Looks like a forward version of Charlie Dean. Slow, no agility.

 

[901023]

Stats.

AFL -

Tom Mitchell - 29 disposals, 8 clearances, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50's
Harry DeMattia - 24 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50's
Roan Steele - 21 disposals, 1 goal, 3 tackles, 3 marks, 5 score involvements, 7 intercepts
Joel Cochran - 19 disposals, 5 marks, 9 intercepts
Will Hayes - 13 disposals, 1 goal, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 5 inside 50's
Illro Smit - 11 disposals, 6 marks, 6 intercepts
Mason Cox - 10 disposals, 3 marks, 25 hitouts
Noah Howes - 9 disposals, 3 behinds, 3 marks, 5 score involvements
Jakob Ryan (Injured in 1st Q) - 8 disposals, 3 marks
Oscar Steene - 7 disposals, 6 hitouts, 3 clearances

VFL -

Harry Mahoney - 18 disposals, 2 goals, 4 inside 50's, 6 score involvements, 5 intercepts
Sam Glover - 18 disposals, 4 marks, 7 intercepts
Brady Grey - 17 disposals, 3 marks, 5 clearances, 4 inside 50's, 4 score involvements
Harry Kennedy - 16 disposals, 2 goals, 7 marks
Matt O'Brien - 13 disposals, 5 tackles, 3 marks
Chad Mulvogue - 12 disposals, 3 marks, 2 tackles
Riley Mason - 12 disposals, 1 goal, 3 marks
Ryan Eyre - 11 disposals, 3 intercepts
Josh Murphy - 10 disposals, 2 goals, 2 behinds, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements
Max Mahoney - 8 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles
Josh Bennetts - 8 disposals, 1 goal, 4 marks, 3 tackles
Ben De Bolfo - 6 disposals, 4 marks
Ned Byrne - 5 disposals, 2 tackles

I don’t think raw stats tell the full story — especially when you look at the impact, or lack thereof, from someone like Harry DeMattia.

I say this with hesitation, but sometimes you’ve got to call a spade a spade. Both DeMattia and Ed Allan seem to approach stoppages the same way: rather than attacking the contest, they tend to trail their direct opponents and hover on the fringes.

Defensively, neither shows enough competitiveness or urgency to win the ball back or apply meaningful pressure.

Offensively, it's much the same — neither player is making composed decisions or doing any real damage with ball in hand.

Ed Allan does have elite speed and endurance, but just doesn't seem to demand the ball. I also believe his teammates aren't very confident giving him the ball as he fumbles. Harry though, I just don't see AFL traits, unfortunately. He's a way off having influence in the VFL, let alone AFL.

 

[Jen2310]

I don’t think raw stats tell the full story — especially when you look at the impact, or lack thereof, from someone like Harry DeMattia.

I say this with hesitation, but sometimes you’ve got to call a spade a spade. Both DeMattia and Ed Allan seem to approach stoppages the same way: rather than attacking the contest, they tend to trail their direct opponents and hover on the fringes.

Defensively, neither shows enough competitiveness or urgency to win the ball back or apply meaningful pressure.

Offensively, it's much the same — neither player is making composed decisions or doing any real damage with ball in hand.

Ed Allan does have elite speed and endurance, but just doesn't seem to demand the ball. I also believe his teammates aren't very confident giving him the ball as he fumbles. Harry though, I just don't see AFL traits, unfortunately. He's a way off having influence in the VFL, let alone AFL.

I do agree that stats dont tell the story on Harry. At least from Saturday. Didn't use the ball as well as he could have. Its definitely something thats a work in progress for him