Coach Did Hinkley underperform as Power coach?

[power09]

i disagree, 60% win rate in over 280 games puts him at master tier imo

then why do we keep hearing the list was average?

 

[Papa G]

He has outperformed relative to what Port was when he took over. That’s the only way you can look at it. How many coaches take over basket cases like port were and take them way up the ladder and maintain that dominance over years.

How about your own coach/club? Old man Fagan took over a 17th placed Brisbane and proceeded to take them to a wooden spoon in 2017. Brisbane's home crowds in 16/17/18 were worse than Port's tarps nadir in 2012. Do you have the memory of a Goldfish or are you just trolling? Brisbane's 16/17/18 onfield performance, Financial performance and crowds were worse than Port 2011/12. Yet meraculously Brisbane have played in 2 Grand Finals and won a flag since. Port have done neither. And I don't even think Fagan is that good a coach.

 

[Elixuh]

How about your own coach/club? Old man Fagan took over a 17th placed Brisbane and proceeded to take them to a wooden spoon in 2017. Brisbane's home crowds in 16/17/18 were worse than Port's tarps nadir in 2012. Do you have the memory of a Goldfish or are you just trolling? Brisbane's 16/17/18 onfield performance, Financial performance and crowds were worse than Port 2011/12. Yet meraculously Brisbane have played in 2 Grand Finals and won a flag since. Port have done neither. And I don't even think Fagan is that good a coach.

100%. And Carlton have had about 20 coaches in the same time.

 

[Rabish Binney]

How about your own coach/club? Old man Fagan took over a 17th placed Brisbane and proceeded to take them to a wooden spoon in 2017. Brisbane's home crowds in 16/17/18 were worse than Port's tarps nadir in 2012. Do you have the memory of a Goldfish or are you just trolling? Brisbane's 16/17/18 onfield performance, Financial performance and crowds were worse than Port 2011/12. Yet meraculously Brisbane have played in 2 Grand Finals and won a flag since. Port have done neither. And I don't even think Fagan is that good a coach.

Coach takes over a club that it at its lowest. Gets them to regular finals series 3 years later; then a grand final, and then a premiership.

But no. Apparently he can't coach.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

That stunt he pulled over the weekend for the camera just shows he couldn't care less about wins or losses or the football club. It's all about him. Disgraceful act considering not only the state of the game but the state of Port's season. He's so selfish, I can understand now why Port fans have wanted him gone long ago.

 

[Ian Dunross]

How about your own coach/club? Old man Fagan took over a 17th placed Brisbane and proceeded to take them to a wooden spoon in 2017. Brisbane's home crowds in 16/17/18 were worse than Port's tarps nadir in 2012. Do you have the memory of a Goldfish or are you just trolling? Brisbane's 16/17/18 onfield performance, Financial performance and crowds were worse than Port 2011/12. Yet meraculously Brisbane have played in 2 Grand Finals and won a flag since. Port have done neither. And I don't even think Fagan is that good a coach.

I'm no massive Hinkley fan and you know the Port list better than I but isn't a key difference between Port and Brisbane under Hinkley and Fagan that Fagan had Andrews and Daniher as bookends whereas Hinkley had Jonas/Allir and Dixon/Marshall. Both coaches has had gun midfields.

It's rare for a team to make GFs let alone win them without at least one elite key back and key forward.

 

[longdonkey]

He has outperformed relative to what Port was when he took over. That’s the only way you can look at it. How many coaches take over basket cases like port were and take them way up the ladder and maintain that dominance over years.

The fact that his recruitment department could only get him C and B grade gap fillers is on the recruitment team. And despite this Kenny still got Port into finals.

Stop trolling Elixuh nobody is taking that rubbish seriously

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

How about your own coach/club? Old man Fagan took over a 17th placed Brisbane and proceeded to take them to a wooden spoon in 2017. Brisbane's home crowds in 16/17/18 were worse than Port's tarps nadir in 2012. Do you have the memory of a Goldfish or are you just trolling? Brisbane's 16/17/18 onfield performance, Financial performance and crowds were worse than Port 2011/12. Yet meraculously Brisbane have played in 2 Grand Finals and won a flag since. Port have done neither. And I don't even think Fagan is that good a coach.

if you honestly think that Fagan isn't that good, it must be proof in your mind that port’s list was always overrated, and never as good as brisbane's.

 

[longdonkey]

if honestly think that Fagan isn't that good, it must be proof in your mind that's port list was always overrated, and never as good as brisbane's

Fagan's OK, I doubt he's the best coach in the league, the fact is Brisbane bat very deep. This can be explained by a nice refreshing father/son bonanza, a bunch of high draft picks reaching their peak and enough quality zone players, recruits and role players to fill the gaps or better.
Its a better list than Port's list by far and our list isn't terrible and we've got the Hinkley handbrake on full as well.

 

[Apsaalooke]

What a pathetic display. During game play, losing and in a game which virtually guarantees finals are over.

Seasons been a bust from the start and this is the nonsense he’s doing? Just get out of the club and pack up tomorrow.

Actually it wasn't in game play, Tyson Goldsack confirmed on radio today it was in one of the breaks and they showed it later during the game, probably for more effect.

I thought it was quite funny but then again he doesn't coach my team.

 

[PowerLil]

Actually it wasn't in game play, Tyson Goldsack confirmed on radio today it was in one of the breaks and they showed it later during the game, probably for more effect.

I thought it was quite funny but then again he doesn't coach my team.

As a member I didn't like it but agree with the rest of your post.
Irrespective of the timing, it was a deliberate play up to the camera and d*ck move from a complete d*ckhead. The end of him can't come soon enough.

 

[longdonkey]

As a member I didn't like it but agree with the rest of your post.
Irrespective of the timing, it was a deliberate play up to the camera and d*ck move from a complete d*ckhead. The end of him can't come soon enough.

I can slightly tolerate it more if it was in a break but still no other club would tolerate that level of unprofessionalism and that is the bottom line here. Its this combined with all the other unprofessional stuff that is a hallmark of Hinkley the bush B Grade coach.

 

[edgie]

I just wonder how different we would all be viewing Ken would be if Moore kicked that goal in the 2014 prelim. Or if Hodge doesn't make that smother.

Remember when Jack Riewoldt missed a couple shots at goal early in the 2017 grand final?

Players make mistakes.

No team has won a grand final or prelim with 100% efficiency.

 

[lalorGOAT]

Remember when Jack Riewoldt missed a couple shots at goal early in the 2017 grand final?

Players make mistakes.

No team has won a grand final or prelim with 100% efficiency.

Not my point. My point is that there are small moments in sport which can change the entire reputation and legacy of a coach/team/player.

 

[longdonkey]

Not my point. My point is that there are small moments in sport which can change the entire reputation and legacy of a coach/team/player.

The problem with sliding doors moments is

1. No guarantee we would have won that grand final.
2. there is no 2 its Hinkley he would have lost

 

[edgie]

Not my point. My point is that there are small moments in sport where the entire reputation and legacy of a coach/team/player could be completely different.

My point is a great coach has the ability to overcome these player moments and not think gee how different would it be if so and so kicked a goal.

He's had twelve seasons, at some point you gotta stop the what ifs with the hundreds of players to pass through and admit he isn't up to it and never was to win a flag.

 

[edgie]

I'm no massive Hinkley fan and you know the Port list better than I but isn't a key difference between Port and Brisbane under Hinkley and Fagan that Fagan had Andrews and Daniher as bookends whereas Hinkley had Jonas/Allir and Dixon/Marshall. Both coaches has had gun midfields.

It's rare for a team to make GFs let alone win them without at least one elite key back and key forward.

Dixon should have been a lot better, the fact you are bringing him up in the manner you are is evidence that Ken coached him poorly.

His best goals per game average was in 2016 at the Gold Coast.

 

[edgie]

if you honestly think that Fagan isn't that good, it must be proof in your mind that port’s list was always overrated, and never as good as brisbane's.

Brisbane had a few choke years, Fagan is at this stage similar to Choco, and as great as Choco winning the flag was, that era of Port absolutely should have gotten another one.

 

[The Hobo]

It isn't like they just stuck into finals. Multiple top 4 finishes. If they're managing that it means the list is good enough.

After a decade it's his list anyway really so whichever is your view he's fallen short.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion necessarily - it could have been good coaching.

My opinion (which is against what most Port supporters think) -

The first 22 was good enough to maybe win a flag around 2020. The issue is, and always has been an utter lack of depth. This has led Ken not having the ability to do any rotating in season, rushing players back from injury, and having to play battered broken players in key games at the end of a season in finals (Dixon on one leg countless times).

How do I measure the lack of depth? How many times do we see other teams trade for fringe players from say Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Bulldogs. Guys that can't get a game so go looking elsewhere and immediately start for their new team. Who is the last 'fringe' Port player that moved to a different team and made a starting position their own? I'm talking guys like Joe Richards, Jordan Sweet that we've picked up from other teams and slotted into our team. Where are our excess players?

The fall away in player quality as soon as you scratch beneath the surface was always the issue, and that's not factoring in the glaring weaknesses in the list. Defence was undersized for a long period of time - playing 191cm Trent McKenzie and 188cm Tom Jonas on monster forwards was always a recipe for disaster - but there was nobody else available to him. No ruckman of any decent quality since Ryder left nearly a decade ago (Lycett was handy for a season or two).

He's had to work around a lot of obstacles, but still put Port in the window time and time again. Missed out on a GF by less than a kick a few times - at that point it comes down to luck as much as strategy.

He's a very very good coach in my opinion, and with a bit of luck and some list depth - may have achieved the ultimate dream.

 

[Rod Stroker]

280 odd games without a grand final appearance. Clearly in the eyes of the Port board he hasn't underperformed

Bottom 4 side now and still won't get the sack is mind blowing.

Brad Scott territory

 

[Rod Stroker]

Certainly underperformed in 20/21 when they lost consecutive home prelim finals.
I never thought though that he had a premiership list, so maybe he did alright with what he had.

I'm curious to see what he does next; coaching director, media, city hall..

 

[Papa G]

Who would have thought a bloke called "The Hobo" would be Hinkley's number 1 fan?

 

[edgie]

I don't know how you come to that conclusion necessarily - it could have been good coaching.

My opinion (which is against what most Port supporters think) -

The first 22 was good enough to maybe win a flag around 2020. The issue is, and always has been an utter lack of depth. This has led Ken not having the ability to do any rotating in season, rushing players back from injury, and having to play battered broken players in key games at the end of a season in finals (Dixon on one leg countless times).

How do I measure the lack of depth? How many times do we see other teams trade for fringe players from say Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Bulldogs. Guys that can't get a game so go looking elsewhere and immediately start for their new team. Who is the last 'fringe' Port player that moved to a different team and made a starting position their own? I'm talking guys like Joe Richards, Jordan Sweet that we've picked up from other teams and slotted into our team. Where are our excess players?

The fall away in player quality as soon as you scratch beneath the surface was always the issue, and that's not factoring in the glaring weaknesses in the list. Defence was undersized for a long period of time - playing 191cm Trent McKenzie and 188cm Tom Jonas on monster forwards was always a recipe for disaster - but there was nobody else available to him. No ruckman of any decent quality since Ryder left nearly a decade ago (Lycett was handy for a season or two).

He's had to work around a lot of obstacles, but still put Port in the window time and time again. Missed out on a GF by less than a kick a few times - at that point it comes down to luck as much as strategy.

He's a very very good coach in my opinion, and with a bit of luck and some list depth - may have achieved the ultimate dream.

In 2004 Port was missing it's first choice midfield from the previous season (Primus, Francou, Steevns).

Ken was coach for a dozen years, developing depth and assisting with list management needs is part of his job and it sounds like it was never done properly.

We got Aliir Aliir in 2021 to address KPD height issues, and did worse, utterly embarrased in the most advvantageous prelim ever.

 

[edgie]

Brad Scott territory

He's in front of Brad Scott and Brad Scott is on his second club ffs.

Scott is in Ken territory, not the other way around.

 

[Rod Stroker]

He's in front of Brad Scott and Brad Scott is on his second club ffs.

Scott is in Ken territory, not the other way around.

number of clubs is irrelevant for games coached without a GF appearance