Preview R21: Changes vs. Hawthorn

[Coopers]

How did Smith overtake Nank in the half back queue?

Well, Nank had some average games (average, not bad) so now we prefer average games from Smith.

duh.

 

[maxlilly]

It may have been forced, seeing how brutal the weather was against Port.

Yep, those rain drops were a lot harder than Port

 

[maxlilly]

Just think we should stick with him for another 20 games without any discussion on performance. Short sighted selection. How’s he going to get to Murphy level if we don’t carry him for 70 more games?

Cam Rayner got 5 years before he even looked half good.
I like Pedlar but eventually you need to start find the ball.
Pedlars's 2023 was good, I guess some people reckon he should be able to improve from there and be in the team

 

[rabidcrow]

Define cheap? I thought the contract was heavily backended and was up around $1.5m in the last year.?

Cheap draft

Why is Nank no longer considered for the defensive rotation? Was ahead of Smith last year and hadn’t been given a chance this year.

Because he gets hims

It’s a terrible selection, it’s not much better than selecting Murphy. It’s the same low ceiling philosophy choosing experience over younger players that have a future ahead of them. Somehow Nank’s borderline form on a wing and forward has eliminated him from the defensive depth chart. It’s these selections that guarantee we’ll never win the 3 in a row required to win a flag.

Nank just didn’t play well enough when he had chances - therefore he has fallen down the order. Ran himself into trouble as often as he got the ball.
Due to his indecision he seems to have been recast as a wing forward.
Smith has played well every time he has been called upon

 

[rabidcrow]

That’s not in our forward thinking

We have used a similar amount of players to all the teams around us. Sit in the middle. Finals trs don’t typically experiment much

 

[FR0GGY]

Winning this game will give us a free hit at Collingwood

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We have used a similar amount of players to all the teams around us. Sit in the middle. Finals trs don’t typically experiment much

Not with spread of games though.

 

[ams4crows]

If we don't beat Hawthorn at home we have absolutely no chance of becoming premiers this season

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If we don't beat Hawthorn at home we have absolutely no chance of becoming premiers this season

Nah.

 

[PeterSalt]

If we don't beat Hawthorn at home we have absolutely no chance of becoming premiers this season

yes we do

 

[Golumless]

Laughable, Nank outperformed Milera at half throughout the preseason. But hasn’t had a crack during the season in that role. Instead was deployed to a wing and the coaches have locked him into only that role for this season. Bit you’d support Murphy’s re-selection if it was to occur, that’s just the type of supporter you are.

Says it all, doesn't it? A coaching group which is clearly locked in (noting both our record and profile), looked at Nank at half back after preseason and said "thanks, but no thanks". Clearly there is something in that profile that we didn't like. Also wing is just for the excess outside mids (that didn't crack half back) or developing inside midfielders, so it's not as much a "woe is me" that you're presenting.

Yup, what of it? I've been pretty consistent in recent times that I don't rate any of Taylor, Cook, Pedlar, or Murphy at this point in time, so I don't particularly care what we do in this slot. I rate not beating Murph comfortably as a big red flag in a profile, as he's a gatekeeper.

 

[PeterSalt]

Says it all, doesn't it? A coaching group which is clearly locked in (noting both our record and profile), looked at Nank at half back after preseason and said "thanks, but no thanks". Clearly there is something in that profile that we didn't like. Also wing is just for the excess outside mids (that didn't crack half back) or developing inside midfielders, so it's not as much a "woe is me" that you're presenting.

Yup, what of it? I've been pretty consistent in recent times that I don't rate any of Taylor, Cook, Pedlar, or Murphy at this point in time, so I don't particularly care what we do in this slot. I rate not beating Murph comfortably as a big red flag in a profile, as he's a gatekeeper.

If Draper comes on this preseason, Berry will displace most (all) of them

 

[Dewyyyyy]

We have been playing one “accountable” forward on the oppositions most dangerous rebounder for most of the year. In recent weeks it has been Zac Taylor. This player inevitably gets the thumbs down from some posters but we have reduced the influence of the oppositions key rebounders since the Hawthorn match (Bowey, Dale, Noble, Rozee).

In the first half against Hawthorn we dominated them everywhere other than the scoreboard and Amon had little influence. They then used Impey as their outlet player and the game turned. We didn’t use an “accountable” forward on Impey and we lived to regret it.

Will Mitchell go back to the same playbook this time or will he initially revert to plan A (Impey had been spending some time forward in recent weeks.

I expect to see Zac line up on Amon but it will be interesting to compare the coaching tactics.

If someone sits on Amon I presume Impey gets used more. Impey won’t go forward as much now BMacDonald is out.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Murray (195cm) - Nash (198cm)
Worrell (195cm) - Lewis (199cm)
Keane (194cm)- Dear (195cm)
Hinge (can play tall) (187cm) - Gunston (193cm)
Bond - Watson

Nash plays in the guts, Chol forward.

 

[Golumless]

If Draper comes on this preseason, Berry will displace most (all) of them

Possible, and not something I'd considered at this point. It may not even be Draper seeing I have Curtin moving to inside mid round 1 next year.

 

[PeterSalt]

Possible, and not something I'd considered at this point. It may not even be Draper seeing I have Curtin moving to inside mid round 1 next year.

If Berry gets pushed out of the midfield, he's a cracking option for as a forward

Quick, loves a tackle, kicks both feet, good in the contest, loves a goal .. what's not to like?

Nicks loves a fella who can perform in different roles

 

[Brenton Davy]

Laird had a brief chat to Burgess after match sim and gestured to his leg, not to mention he played in the B team.

Didn’t seem particularly sore but I guess it was already determined he wasn’t going to play.

I think Ginnivan/Watson would have run rings around Laird.

 

[Golumless]

If Berry gets pushed out of the midfield, he's a cracking option for as a forward

Quick, loves a tackle, kicks both feet, good in the contest, loves a goal .. what's not to like?

Nicks loves a fella who can perform in different roles

It's not without question marks. Berry does struggle with remaining involved in games and this is the hardest role for that. Still, I'm for this idea as a a way to keep Berry in for 2026. Seeing his strength and explosiveness are serious (albeit underutilised weapons).

I think Ginnivan/Watson would have run rings around Laird.

Underrated Laird a tad. There are equally tough matchups which haven't. We're the no.2 defense and been lights out since the mid-year for a reason.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Every time you think we've finally closed the book on the Smith / Murphy circus we go right back.

 

[rabidcrow]

Laughable, Nank outperformed Milera at half throughout the preseason. But hasn’t had a crack during the season in that role. Instead was deployed to a wing and the coaches have locked him into only that role for this season. Bit you’d support Murphy’s re-selection if it was to occur, that’s just the type of supporter you are.

That may be your view. I think you find a lot of people would consider Nanks performances to be levels below Milera, Laird and even Smith - earlier this year. In fact bad enough that he has been moved more forward than defence in recent times - clearly the coaching panel do

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

If someone sits on Amon I presume Impey gets used more. Impey won’t go forward as much now BMacDonald is out.

Our defensive forward doesn’t play a tight tag, it is more a case of preventing uncontested possessions to the oppositions key rebounding defender in spots that result in large metres gained. Zac Taylor has had this role in recent weeks but what he does is not obvious. He has however kept some very good rebounding defenders below their usual output.

In the Launceston match we dominated possession in the first half so neither Amon nor Impey were hurting us. In the second half there seemed to be a clear plan to channel the ball through Impey and he slaughtered us. He ended with 28 possessions and 756 metres gained (compared to his season average of 18.5 disposals and 355 metres gained).

I suspect that we will use Zac Taylor on Amon and our other small/medium forwards will play their usual game (Neal-Buller, Keays, Rankine). If Impey takes fire again I just hope that we have a Plan B.

 

[rabidcrow]

Not with spread of games though.

Depends on what you consider as a spread

For example
Players who have played 5 or more games
Collingwood, Geelong, Freo, Brisbane have had 28 players
Gold Coast, Hawks 27
Adelaide 29
Dogs, Giants 30

So you could argue our spread has been a little more than most of our rivals

 

[perro_loco]

PARDON THE INTRUSION. BUT I HOPE YOU GUYS SMASH THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THOSE ARROGANT HAWTHORN TWATS TOMORROW. ALL THE BEST. THE DOGGIES NEED YOU TO WIN. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY DISLIKE OF THOSE YOUNG ARROGANT ANNOYING TWATS. HOPE THILTHORPE KICKS 10 GOALS!!! OK OFF TO BED NOW.

 

[Brenton Davy]

PARDON THE INTRUSION. BUT I HOPE YOU GUYS SMASH THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THOSE ARROGANT HAWTHORN TWATS TOMORROW. ALL THE BEST. THE DOGGIES NEED YOU TO WIN. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY DISLIKE OF THOSE YOUNG ARROGANT ANNOYING TWATS. HOPE THILTHORPE KICKS 10 GOALS!!! OK OFF TO BED NOW.

Appreciate the sentiment but I think your caps lock is stuck…

 

[mr.sheen]

Appreciate the sentiment but I think your caps lock is stuck…

After the win tonight the guy has every right to have a few drinks and drunk post on Bigfooty