2025 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[Chronz]

How on earth wasn’t Stewart best on yesterday. Smith was elite the first half but has been middling the last half. Have Jolmes the best Cats mid

Rd. 23 votes haven't been released yet.

 

[RCAB]

Doggies supporters are cute, aren't they?

They want all of Bont, Richards, Naughton and Darcy in the team, yet they still have to win on the weekend to make the top 8.

IMO, Richards and Naughton should be in, Bont in the squad, and Darcy on the fringe of the squad (just in or just out).

With all the generational and plethora of elite players in one side, if they can't win one game against Fremantle, who are the fourth youngest team in the competition... At home... Then they shouldn't be anywhere near a selection decision.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Of my stats this year,
These are the highest scoring players overall. Bont makes it by getting to 17 games which was my cutoff.
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This is a slightly imprecise way of measuring player value as you're over-stating the impact of not playing games, but you also shouldn't be measuring players on a per-game average as missing games logically also diminishes value.

You shouldn't be rating a player 0 for missing a game, you should be rating a player at replacement level (ie the reserves-level player that comes in also gets some stats), because a player's value is the difference in actual output and replacement level output, as opposed to that and literally zero.

Bontempelli jumps up the rankings in "sum of total" on that basis, about the 7th best player in the league by my measure. He is neither the most valuable player in the competition (how can he be, he missed more than 20% of the season), but nor is he outside the top 15, which measuring totals would also suggest.

 

[Fadge]

This is a slightly imprecise way of measuring player value as you're over-stating the impact of not playing games, but you also shouldn't be measuring players on a per-game average as missing games logically also diminishes value.

You shouldn't be rating a player 0 for missing a game, you should be rating a player at replacement level (ie the reserves-level player that comes in also gets some stats), because a player's value is the difference in actual output and replacement level output, as opposed to that and literally zero.

Bontempelli jumps up the rankings in "sum of total" on that basis, about the 7th best player in the league by my measure. He is neither the most valuable player in the competition (how can he be, he missed more than 20% of the season), but nor is he outside the top 15, which measuring totals would also suggest.

Yep, this is fair and reasonable.

 

[hawkman]

Easily. Question is whether the selectors pick him as a key position player (which he isn't) so they can fit more smalls/mids in, or if they pick another tall to keep Jeremy Cameron company and Gunston in the pocket.

Last year was three talls, year before was two.

He is pretty much playing FF in our team.

I would have Gunston at FF and Cameron at CHF but they will shift Gunston to a pocket to put another tall in at FF

 

[rye]

i will admit i am biased but slightly surprising seeing clark in so many teams.

zorko or even bailey dale

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Bailey Dale

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.6

4star

MG

117.4

2star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.7

3star

MG

117.4

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

are far more damaging distributors off half back and having better seasons for mine.

 

[HairyO]

Doggies supporters are cute, aren't they?

They want all of Bont, Richards, Naughton and Darcy in the team, yet they still have to win on the weekend to make the top 8.

IMO, Richards and Naughton should be in, Bont in the squad, and Darcy on the fringe of the squad (just in or just out).

They think they are Geelong.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I thought David King nailed the AA midfield last night. In particular, Holmes over Smith on the wing.
C: M.Holmes, M.Bontempelli, H.McCluggage
R: M.Gawn, N.Anderson, E.Richards

Probably shows how shit Bevo is really.

Dogs fans in this thread in recent days arguing Darcy the no.1 forward in a year where Cameron has 80+ by seasons end.
Bont and Richards have to be AA apparently. Naughton a strong chance.

Yet for about the 6th year in a row need to win their last game just to make finals. May have been a year there where it was for top 4.

Given the keys to a ferrari yet is driving a datsun.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

They think they are Geelong.

The chip on the shoulder you have with us generates its own gravitational pull.
Always Geelong on the brain. Inferiority complex??

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Rd. 23 votes haven't been released yet.

Won't be until awards night if I am not mistaken.

 

[HairyO]

The chip on the shoulder you have with us generates its own gravitational pull.
Always Geelong on the brain. Inferiority complex??

The need for you to respond to every piece of bait...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

i will admit i am biased but slightly surprising seeing clark in so many teams.

zorko or even bailey dale are far more damaging distributors off half back and having better seasons for mine.

Na behind Ash think Clark deserves it has had a brilliant year. Whitfield has been great but not sure having two giants HBF’s in a side outside the top 4 is a great look.

 

[Scythe]

Not a gambler, nor is this a perfect science by any stretch (Richards as a defender lol), but if the bookies were picking the team:









So their team would be something like:

FB: Worrell - Taylor - Clark
HB: Richards - Wilkie - Wanganeen-Milera
C: Smith - Dawson - McCluggage
HF: Rankine - Thilthorpe - Pickett
FF: Elliott - Cameron - Gunston
RR: Gawn - Anderson - Daicos
IC: Rowell - Bontempelli - Holmes - Serong/Grundy (depending on if they do two rucks)

Too many mids, but not awful I suppose.

 

[Jmac3542]

J Daicos at half back for me. A little quieter last week or so , but his first 20 games, he was massive. I think he’s in front of Ash, Dale, Clark , but perhaps I’m biased.

Also Elliott not convinced with his last 6-7 weeks, he now makes the side.

 

[MasterSamurai]

The chip on the shoulder you have with us generates its own gravitational pull.
Always Geelong on the brain. Inferiority complex??

If any Hawthorn supporter of any generation that didn't croak before 70's has any sort of inferiority complex over any other club in the land, then I'll personally clob them on the back of the head with a baseball bat. Seriously.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Not a gambler, nor is this a perfect science by any stretch (Richards as a defender lol), but if the bookies were picking the team:

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So their team would be something like:

FB: Worrell - Taylor - Clark
HB: Richards - Wilkie - Wanganeen-Milera
C: Smith - Dawson - McCluggage
HF: Rankine - Thilthorpe - Pickett
FF: Elliott - Cameron - Gunston
RR: Gawn - Anderson - Daicos
IC: Rowell - Bontempelli - Holmes - Serong/Grundy (depending on if they do two rucks)

Too many mids, but not awful I suppose.

Rankine ain’t making it now

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If any Hawthorn supporter of any generation that didn't croak before 70's has any sort of inferiority complex over any other club in the land, then I'll personally clob them on the back of the head with a baseball bat. Seriously.

Yeah we've heard this sad old story. You won a whole heap of flags thanks to the abused and flawed zone system. Worth about a pinch of shit really.

 

[Foxman98]

Doggies supporters are cute, aren't they?

They want all of Bont, Richards, Naughton and Darcy in the team, yet they still have to win on the weekend to make the top 8.

IMO, Richards and Naughton should be in, Bont in the squad, and Darcy on the fringe of the squad (just in or just out).

Fadge you say this like you are 5 wins ahead of us,

If we win and you lose this week we will finish above you

Bont and Richards will both be in the team Naughton/Darcy will both be in the squad and either can push for the team as well

 

[Fadge]

Fadge you say this like you are 5 wins ahead of us,

If we win and you lose this week we will finish above you

Bont and Richards will both be in the team Naughton/Darcy will both be in the squad and either can push for the team as well

I'm not promoting 4 x Collingwood players for AA.

N. Daicos and Elliott get in.

J. Daicos on the fringe.

Which is a similar number to what the Doggies should get.

Oops, I forgot about Bailey Dale... I suspect you think he should be in as well?

 

[Foxman98]

I'm not promoting 4 x Collingwood players for AA.

N. Daicos and Elliott get in.

J. Daicos on the fringe.

Which is a similar number to what the Doggies should get.

Oops, I forgot about Bailey Dale... I suspect you think he should be in as well?

Dale will be in the squad as well not the team despite being 9th we are 2 wins off 2nd and have the 3rd best % in the comp didn't realise there was a cap on how many players a team can have for the squad

 

[MadMaxx]

The chip on the shoulder you have with us generates its own gravitational pull.
Always Geelong on the brain. Inferiority complex??

Our results are measured in team success, yours more the individual stuff.

#culture

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Our results are measured in team success, yours more the individual stuff.

#culture

10 years of no team success and counting.
That's longer than us.

No racism investigations here either #culture

 

[Hoops]

Not a gambler, nor is this a perfect science by any stretch (Richards as a defender lol), but if the bookies were picking the team:

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So their team would be something like:

FB: Worrell - Taylor - Clark
HB: Richards - Wilkie - Wanganeen-Milera
C: Smith - Dawson - McCluggage
HF: Rankine - Thilthorpe - Pickett
FF: Elliott - Cameron - Gunston
RR: Gawn - Anderson - Daicos
IC: Rowell - Bontempelli - Holmes - Serong/Grundy (depending on if they do two rucks)

Too many mids, but not awful I suppose.

That's good money for Zorko. If only I gambled

 

[PhatBoy]

Holmes has been WAY better and is barely in any of these sides

In general or in the last 4 weeks?

Holmes was a passenger on the weekend, Smith was one of our best.

Overall there’s not much between them but Smith has had more standout games

 

[LukeParkerno1]

In general or in the last 4 weeks?

Holmes was a passenger on the weekend, Smith was one of our best.

Overall there’s not much between them but Smith has had more standout games

Overall not just last weekend. If there’s a Cats mid I’d easily have Holmes and I’d be fine with him getting selected