List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[gubby88]

Cmon. People here need to stop vastly overrating the value our players and drastically under valuing other teams players. Marshall does not have the same trade value as Flanders. Gold Coast would not accept pick 18 for Flanders on its own, and they’re the easiest team to trade with in the comp. Early 1st vs late 1st Trade value.

Marshall is rated consistently as one of the top 5 rucks in the competition, flanders had played 20 good games......think you need to stop under rating our players and over rating others

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Rucks are one of the positions that least loses its value. Look at Tom Campbell, Goldstein, Paddy Ryder comi g to us,even Heath being sought by another club, shows there is a long shelf life for a ruck.
You think Max Gawn wouldn't get value even at 35 y.o?

Most of those players would be third rounder/dfa territory. Heath is looking to get to Melbourne as a DFA. Gawn wouldn’t net a high pick at his age.

I’d definitely trade Marshall for the right price.

 

[Bob Butter]

Marshall is rated consistently as one of the top 5 rucks in the competition, flanders had played 20 good games......think you need to stop under rating our players and over rating others

Marshall is not a top 5 ruckman, and he’s 30 years old. By your own logic I am sure you would be open to trading say Phillipou for a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick? He’s only played like 5-10 good games. Please take the Saints goggles off.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Marshall is rated consistently as one of the top 5 rucks in the competition, flanders had played 20 good games......think you need to stop under rating our players and over rating others

Gawn, Grundy, Cameron, Jackson, Meek, Xerri, Witts, Nankervis.
Which four of those rucks is Marshall better than?

 

[OxSaint]

We have been putting work into him all year. As much as opposition fans think we're just throwing darts, I think there's some method to our madness and we've been working on the guys we want long term. I would be surprised if he doesn't nominate us - King is obviously a last minute choice for Melbourne but I feel he's probably already in the bag for us, but let's see.

I think every recruit fills a need and we have surprised ourselves with how many we have landed.

Key defence, top 8 afl quality small forwards/half forwards, effective ruckmen at stoppage who can actually handball in congestion and midfielders.

 

[Joffaboy]

Gawn, Grundy, Cameron, Jackson, Meek, Xerri, Witts, Nankervis.
Which four of those rucks is Marshall better than?

He is not better than anyone of those butif we take pick 18 ( around pick 25) in a shit draft for a contracted player, while making a Grand Finalist better, we are not a serious football team and have embraced mediocrity.

 

[Nutsngum]

Draper, Xerri, Meek?

You are forgetting about the 700k offer we had for Draper before he played a game and trying to get Xerri over a year or two later.

Both Draper and Xerri were 21/22 at the time with barely a game between them. You dont recruit players like that with the notion that they are going to replace your first choice ruck which was the post I was replying to. If anything interest in both those players, and the fact we actually did get Ryder, shows the club is more inclined to play two rucks if it can be managed.

I also cant see where we were actively pursuing Meek. I cant really see any articles or remember discussion around him. I dont doubt we would have had interest to some degree though, he's a good player.

 

[Bob Butter]

Gawn, Grundy, Cameron, Jackson, Meek, Xerri, Witts, Nankervis.
Which four of those rucks is Marshall better than?

Please delete this, you are being too logical for this sub.

If we keep pretending Marshall is 25 and not an undersized ruckman who struggles to compete against the best in the comp, maybe we can trade Marshall for Holmes if we throw in a 3rd rd pick to sweeten the deal. Or maybe they should be the ones throwing in an extra pick, I’m not sure anymore.

 

[AFaiL]

So when Lyon was on Agenda Setters the day after NAZ signed and said senior players were given a 50k bonus and told about the strategy he was lying?
It is a farcical tweet. If Marshall is so dumb to think we haven't been after a ruckman he is just not paying attention
Draper
Xerri
Witts
TDK two years ago.

He actually played the exact role when Paddy Ryder was there. It is a load of crap if the facts of the matter are laid out. Manager driven as they are always after the best outcomes for themselves.

Absolutely no coincidence that our deepest finals drive in recent times was when we had Ro +. a genuine tap ruck

Paddy doing his hammy in the first final was a true disaster

 

[Bob Butter]

Absolutely no coincidence that our deepest finals drive in recent times was when we had Ro +. a genuine tap ruck

Paddy doing his hammy in the first final was a true disaster

This is the reason I want to keep Ro. He’s too undersized to truly compete with the comps elite tap ruckmen, but would monster every teams 2nd ruck (excluding maybe Jackson) which is a huge advantage for us, is a tough matchup behind the ball and will take some attention off King up fwd.

If he does request a trade I’d do it, but I would prefer if he stayed. If the experiment fails he will have very little trade value next season (Grundy who was younger and a better ruck got two picks in the 40s when he left the Dees) but I think it’s worth the risk if he wants to stay.

 

[akaifu]

Midfield Trav gonna hit like crack

 

[PoppedCorn]

Top 5 ruck???
Lol

 

[phantom13]

Marshall is not a top 5 ruckman, and he’s 30 years old. By your own logic I am sure you would be open to trading say Phillipou for a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick? He’s only played like 5-10 good games. Please take the Saints goggles off.

Flanders is 24 with 83 games.

Pou is 20 with 37.

AFAIK im the only person who said id let Roma go for a second (which i also openly acknowledged was unders) but Flanders for Roma as a straigh swap is about equitable IMO.

Youre being ridiculous.

 

[FQFjt]

Midfield Trav gonna hit like crack

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Congratuliations, you have officially heralded in the preseason.

 

[gubby88]

Marshall is not a top 5 ruckman, and he’s 30 years old. By your own logic I am sure you would be open to trading say Phillipou for a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick? He’s only played like 5-10 good games. Please take the Saints goggles off.

im going with what people in the media have rated, not me. i actually see him less of a ruck and more of a utility who can get possessions.....which with TDK would suit fantastically

 

[gubby88]

Top 5 ruck???
Lol

Rowan Marshall is consistently ranked among the AFL's top rucks, often featuring in the top 10 or top 5, though specific rankings can vary by season and analyst. He is considered an all-round ruck, known for his strong aerial skills and, unusually for a big man, his exceptional ground-level play and mobility, which allow him to operate effectively as an additional midfielder.

Key characteristics that place him among the best:

• All-Round Game:
  Unlike more specialized aerial rucks, Marshall excels both in the air and at ground level, often described as an extra midfielder due to his endurance and ball-winning ability.
  
  
• Elite Mobility:
  His mobility and running ability for a big man are considered elite, contributing significantly to his impact at stoppages and in open play.
  
  
• Strong Performances:
  He has had multiple seasons where he dominated the league, earning him recognition in coaches' votes and club awards.
  
  
• Leadership:
  Marshall was inducted into St Kilda's leadership group in 2024, further highlighting his influence on the field.
  

Examples of his status:

• In 2023, he was considered one of the best all-round rucks in the league, alongside Tim English, with analysts highlighting his combination of aerial and ground-level skills.
  
  
• A 2024 ranking on SEN placed him at number 6 among the top 10 rucks in the AFL.

 

[Bob Butter]

Flanders is 24 with 83 games.

Pou is 20 with 37.

AFAIK im the only person who said id let Roma go for a second (which i also openly acknowledged was unders) but Flanders for Roma as a straigh swap is about equitable IMO.

Youre being ridiculous.

Lord have mercy there is more than 1 person who thinks Marshall has the same trade value as Flanders. The guy is 24, played out of position this year and was carrying an injury, and averaged 30 disposals two years ago playing in position. If he was a saint and the trade was going the other way you’d be asking for 2 first round picks and Rowell or Anderson.

 

[gubby88]

Lord have mercy there is more than 1 person who thinks Marshall has the same trade value as Flanders. The guy is 24, played out of position this year and was carrying an injury, and averaged 30 disposals two years ago playing in position. If he was a saint and the trade was going the other way you’d be asking for 2 first round picks and Rowell or Anderson.

yeah chief, buy low and sell high....pretty easy

 

[phantom13]

Lord have mercy there is more than 1 person who thinks Marshall has the same trade value as Flanders. The guy is 24, played out of position this year and was carrying an injury, and averaged 30 disposals two years ago playing in position. If he was a saint and the trade was going the other way you’d be asking for 2 first round picks and Rowell or Anderson.

I wouldnt but go off king.

 

[Geezington]

Lord have mercy there is more than 1 person who thinks Marshall has the same trade value as Flanders. The guy is 24, played out of position this year and was carrying an injury, and averaged 30 disposals two years ago playing in position. If he was a saint and the trade was going the other way you’d be asking for 2 first round picks and Rowell or Anderson.

Pick 7 will get it done

 

[From 45]

Marshall is not a top 5 ruckman, and he’s 30 years old. By your own logic I am sure you would be open to trading say Phillipou for a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick? He’s only played like 5-10 good games. Please take the Saints goggles off.

Butter my balls, Bob. Lay it on thick and fast

 

[Bob Butter]

Rowan Marshall is consistently ranked among the AFL's top rucks, often featuring in the top 10 or top 5, though specific rankings can vary by season and analyst. He is considered an all-round ruck, known for his strong aerial skills and, unusually for a big man, his exceptional ground-level play and mobility, which allow him to operate effectively as an additional midfielder.

Key characteristics that place him among the best:

• All-Round Game:
  Unlike more specialized aerial rucks, Marshall excels both in the air and at ground level, often described as an extra midfielder due to his endurance and ball-winning ability.
  
  
• Elite Mobility:
  His mobility and running ability for a big man are considered elite, contributing significantly to his impact at stoppages and in open play.
  
  
• Strong Performances:
  He has had multiple seasons where he dominated the league, earning him recognition in coaches' votes and club awards.
  
  
• Leadership:
  Marshall was inducted into St Kilda's leadership group in 2024, further highlighting his influence on the field.

Examples of his status:

• In 2023, he was considered one of the best all-round rucks in the league, alongside Tim English, with analysts highlighting his combination of aerial and ground-level skills.
  
  
• A 2024 ranking on SEN placed him at number 6 among the top 10 rucks in the AFL.

Did you ask chat GPT to justify why Marshall is a top 5 ruck and the best they could offer was SEN ranked him at 6 in 2024?

 

[gubby88]

Did you ask chat GPT to justify why Marshall is a top 5 ruck and the best they could offer was SEN ranked him at 6 in 2024?

asked google

 

[Bob Butter]

Pick 7 will get it done

Common sense

 

[gubby88]

Did you ask chat GPT to justify why Marshall is a top 5 ruck and the best they could offer was SEN ranked him at 6 in 2024?

did you ask chat GPT if flanders was worth two firsts?