List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Heeney2Franklin]

Remember Daniher was supposed to be cooked as well had 3 very good seasons at Brisbane and was instrumental in their comeback over GWS last season

 

[Ballarat Bob]

Remember Daniher was supposed to be cooked as well had 3 very good seasons at Brisbane and was instrumental in their comeback over GWS last season

Daniher probably had another season in him as well. He looked like he could have easily go again. Mind you he barely played for Essendon for a year or two with injuries prior to that.

 

[TasSixer]

What would the ideal off season for people?

I'm not against Curnow unless it stops us from improving elsewhere.

For me
Curnow(or Petracca)
J Serong
contested mid(maybe not if we got Petracca)

 

[Neverwas]

What makes Brisbane so relentless is that they're stacked full of mids and they find a way to fit them all between the arcs. The end result is an array of primed players who are inherently built to be the best players on a footy field. It's just the way it is, anyone growing up playing footy who have the best mix of athletic prowess, strength and skill end up becoming mids.

The moral of the story is you can never have enough mids. Have to stack your team full of as many as you can and you literally cannot go wrong.

Minus Heeney we need to find a way to bring more strong mids in to turn everyone else into part timers who have no choice but to go to a wing, or half forward or forward pocket. They also tend to be the best small forward when they're in there.

Bris: Neale, Dunkley, Ashcroft1, Ashcroft 2, mcgluggage, Bailey, Rayner, ah chee, Reville, Berry

Us: Heeney, Warner, Rowbottom, Gulden, Mills, Papley, jmac

We're under gunned. And it's not a matter of getting rid of any of them, we need to add a couple more top tiers into that list. All of a sudden Gulden can do a Bailey in the forward line, warner can push to a wing and be a link up/overlap option, jmac can work on running a muck like mcgluggage, Heeney can rest forward without worrying about our midfield for the moment etc etc. all of a sudden you have more marking options down the line, and dangerous part time small forwards which makes recruiting for those positions less important. Mids then backs should be our priority.

Took the words out of my mouth zyzzbruh.

Brisbane scored a grand total of 1 goal today from their key position forwards. We need high quality mids.

 

[wills2g]

But there's heaps of people that also complain we play all our mids out of their preferred position

Idk maybe if u are an elite AFL footballer suck it up and play HF

 

[Nuggetz]

After watching the GF & success of other teams, I don't think Curnow is an elite enough KF to help us win a premiership. I'd rather put our assets into getting an elite mid. Seriously ask the question of Petracca. Just like a ruck, a premiership can be won with tall fwds who play their role rather than a dominant key forward but you need elite hard ball winning mids.

 

[Nuggetz]

We've fallen too much into the versatility mindset, I want set roles for players next season like we did with Wicks this year. Set & forget, let players hone their craft in specific positions & narrow their focus for those roles. Inside/outside/up/down round & round, set & forget pls.

Operation get Trac & roll with the 3 headed midfield monster of Heeney/Trac/Mills. Fight fire with fire in the midfield, time to get proactive rather than reactive.

 

[MF]

Think its now obvious Cox has a vastly different opinion on players who Longmire rated much more highly.

If players like Florent, Rowbottom and McLean are on the outer I can't say I disagree with Cox on this

 

[MF]

Maybe Cox sees Adams as being able to step up in Rowys spot for a year?

Or bringing Mills back into the midfield maybe

 

[hairy biker]

Couple of points;
Why does Cunrow want out of Carlton?
I've seen his relationship with Voss is poor, that he wants out of the Melbourne bubble, but I've also read (on the Carlton BF board) that he is on a front ended contact.
Is this primarily all about Curnow getting more dollars?

Secondly
What has happened to the supposed mid-season interest in Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

?
I was surprised when looking at the Curnow/McKay stat comparison that Harry is actually about a year younger and less dodgy knees than Charlie's.
Statistically, if perhaps not stylistically, very similar;



Curnow contract until the end of 2029, McKay to end of 2030.

Finally courtesy of BrisbaneCFC;

 

[Membling]

What would the ideal off season for people?

I'm not against Curnow unless it stops us from improving elsewhere.

For me
Curnow(or Petracca)
J Serong
contested mid(maybe not if we got Petracca)

Ideal?

Will Ashcroft
Bont
Serong freo variety

Achievable:
Serong Hawks variety
Rosas
Eramus/Mackenzie

 

[Bloods86]

Ideal?

Will Ashcroft
Bont
Serong freo variety

Achievable:
Serong Hawks variety
Rosas
Eramus/Mackenzie

Erasmus re-signed for 3 years

 

[Membling]

Erasmus re-signed for 3 years

Put him in the third category or just nope

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

What would the ideal off season for people?

I'm not against Curnow unless it stops us from improving elsewhere.

For me
Curnow(or Petracca)
J Serong
contested mid(maybe not if we got Petracca)

 

[Bloods86]

What would the ideal off season for people?

I'm not against Curnow unless it stops us from improving elsewhere.

For me
Curnow(or Petracca)
J Serong
contested mid(maybe not if we got Petracca)

Petracca
Jai Serong/Jordon Butts
Rookie DFA - Dyl Williams (med fwd/def)
Wouldn't say no to Rosas on cheap
Retain Buller

Draft a KPF, King, Carmichael, McNamara. If any spots, another young mid and KPD.

Probably need a few of Rampe, Florent, Lloyd, Adams, McLean to go or be rookied to occur

 

[zyzzbruh]

We've fallen too much into the versatility mindset, I want set roles for players next season like we did with Wicks this year. Set & forget, let players hone their craft in specific positions & narrow their focus for those roles. Inside/outside/up/down round & round, set & forget pls.

Operation get Trac & roll with the 3 headed midfield monster of Heeney/Trac/Mills. Fight fire with fire in the midfield, time to get proactive rather than reactive.

We actually need more versatility coupled with a couple of pure mids. Bailey, Mcgluggage, Ashcroft, Berry and Ah Chee don't play a set role 100% starting mid position. The difference is they're elite when they need to be in other parts of the ground.

 

[zyzzbruh]

But there's heaps of people that also complain we play all our mids out of their preferred position

Idk maybe if u are an elite AFL footballer suck it up and play HF

It's not just about sucking it up, it actually makes the team better. Heeney, Warner and Gulden are our best mids, but the second they're put into HF or a forward pocket, they become your best forwards too. We need to find a way to put them there periodically throughout a game and the only way is to bring in a couple of extra above average mids.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Couple of points;
Why does Cunrow want out of Carlton?
I've seen his relationship with Voss is poor, that he wants out of the Melbourne bubble, but I've also read (on the Carlton BF board) that he is on a front ended contact.
Is this primarily all about Curnow getting more dollars?

Secondly
What has happened to the supposed mid-season interest in Harry McKay?
I was surprised when looking at the Curnow/McKay stat comparison that Harry is actually about a year younger and less dodgy knees than Charlie's.
Statistically, if perhaps not stylistically, very similar;
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Curnow contract until the end of 2029, McKay to end of 2030.

Finally courtesy of BrisbaneCFC;

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Always been steadfast about preferring Mckay over Curnow. He seems more maligned but he's actually more consistent with his work around the ground and contested marking. Younger and cheaper too. Curnow just looks cool when he does what he does but he's definitely not the more effective player. For Curnow too a lot of the stats above would be accounted for in bursts with many outlying poor games, whilst Mckay's spread would be more consistent - don't take my word for it but i'd be pretty confident that would be the case as an observer.

The only thing that entices me about any of these two is the contested marking ability, couldn't give two shits about anything else, not even scoreboard impact. We just clearly need that outlet mark. Ultimately Mckay is the bigger body and has stickier mits - But that's where also my point in prev posts about just stacking more mids into the teams comes in, because if you can afford to throw Heeney and Warner around the ground all of a sudden you have 2 players who can take a contested mark where you otherwise didn't.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Always been steadfast about preferring Mckay over Curnow. He seems more maligned but he's actually more consistent with his work around the ground and contested marking. Younger and cheaper too. Curnow just looks cool when he does what he does but he's definitely not the more effective player. For Curnow too a lot of the stats above would be accounted for in bursts with many outlying poor games, whilst Mckay's spread would be more consistent - don't take my word for it but i'd be pretty confident that would be the case as an observer.

The only thing that entices me about any of these two is the contested marking ability, couldn't give two shits about anything else, not even scoreboard impact. We just clearly need that outlet mark. Ultimately Mckay is the bigger body and has stickier mits - But that's where also my point in prev posts about just stacking more mids into the teams comes in, because if you can afford to throw Heeney and Warner around the ground all of a sudden you have 2 players who can take a contested mark where you otherwise didn't.

Well we were linked to him(Mckay) mid point of the season then idk what happened seemed to go cool and instead shifted focus to Curnow when we found out he wanted out?

 

[zyzzbruh]

Well we were linked to him(Mckay) mid point of the season then idk what happened seemed to go cool and instead shifted focus to Curnow when we found out he wanted out?

Who knows but ye i guess that was the case. Probably realising we've shot ourselves in the foot by turning interest to a player worth 3 times the price despite being the same player as the other.

Either way i hope the club have taken note of the benchmark that is Brisbane and go back to the drawing board.

 

[Slingshot Footy]

I dunno, we lost some good players to squeeze in Franklin and we often looked better when we were unpredictable without him. Hawks lost a GF with him and then won a bunch without him.

I’m open to the Curnow trade but less for the big forward kicking goals and more for having someone who can supported contested marking as we move up the field. If we become Curnow centric like we used to be Buddy centric, it would be a bad outcome.

The Hawks also netted Brian Lake, James Frawley and Ben McEvoy as the first destination club to exploit free agency as a result of losing Buddy but I agree that we became way too Buddy centric and it cost us dearly.

We have to use Curnow as a lightning rod for opposition defenders rather than as our sole focal point for goal. His role should allow others to shine as he draws two-on-ones or the best contested defender each week.

More importantly, it should take the burden of responsibility off Amartey as he has struggled to keep his body in good condition when asked to take on a heavy load.

It’s hard to gauge Logan’s development after a lost year but if we get Curnow then Logan also has the opportunity to build his season without too much scrutiny as well.

Obviously, we need to address other areas of our list but we know the forward line is broken so we have to fix that first if you ask me.

 

[McGowan3]

Erasmus re-signed for 3 years

Erasmus re-signed for 3 years

We need some experience, maturity and experience but this is going too far. According to historical records, born in 1466!

 

[dosser]

For all of those noticing the Jai Newcombe reference - I was merely trying to make the point that players like that would be massively better for our team. As would a Josh Kennedy. These players would instantly 8mprove our greatest weakness which isn’t in my opinion the tall forwards although clearly based on the mccartin move this year it seems to have been coxs view hence the pall mall pursuit of curnow

So you are saying we are into Newcombe, then. Excellent.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

In the last 20 years, only once has the Coleman medalist also won a premiership in the same year (Buddy in 2008).

I would prefer to stay away from a KPF that can do it all, and instead moneyball it by finding a player or two who can take contested marks and then getting the goals with an even spread.

Curnow feels a little bit too much like the former than the later, and comes with the price tag. I think the challenge is final any good contested marking forward who is willing to move to Sydney.

I honestly think if the swans let McLean bulk up, he could provide a lot more contested marks and bring the ball to ground more effectively.

We also need to find a way to keep Amartey on the park.

I think Logan will only ever be a lead up mark. We shouldn’t try to make him a contested marking beast.

In all seriousness, is Finbar Maley okay at contested marking? I know nothing about him except his exceptional moustache.

 

[KingV23]

Perhaps we do need to let go of some players (not sure who) and freshen up the list. Too many players who were part of those GF floggings would surely have some mental scarring over it. Even Luke Parker

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Luke Parker

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

the Kangaroo admitted it. Even last season making the GF, but got belted by Port by 100 points weeks prior. The gap between our best and worst is as big as the distance between the earth and the moon!