Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[Obeanie1]

For starters I’d like to thank you for getting me more invested in this thread.

Which part of my post are you referring to?

1. Your 6.3” Power fwd in Waterman kicking 6 goals on him and he had 5 disposals?
2. Him dropping Aussie rules and playing soccer from u/12’s and playing his first full season of Aussie rules in 2021?
Or
3. Is it you think you have someone on your list who is going to be close to McGovern, who is in the top 3 interception Mark’s with Harris Andrews and Vlaustin since the stats have been compiled?
Could probably list another half a dozen points about McGovern that have made him one of my favourite footballers.
But
Sounds like you know who is going to be your next McGovern.
So let’s hear it.

Not interested in your trolling efforts TBH.

Pretty normal stuff from one eyed supporters.

Hilarious how Young has gone from solid defender and citizen wearing black and yellow to useless and a joke pick up as soon as he elects to leave.

Never change Big Footy. Never change Tigers supporters.

I will throw you a bone. Go look up "stop gap measuure". When you understand the concept better Im sure it will all become much clearer for you. Or maybe just open your other eye.

 

[ShereKhan]

Go and look at the ladder form 2010. Tell me who was the only team below yours?

Again, 'asking' for help didn't exist as a mechanism back then so you can't exactly ask for what the AFL doesn't offer, can you?




Great.

Show me a draft as compromised as the last 3?



Again, you're not understanding the very simple concept that draft assistance didn't become a thing until 2012.

If this is too complicated for you to understand, not sure what else we can do here.



Minnows eh?

Our membership went up to 108k(2nd in the AFL) whilst Richmond's dropped below 100k and they are looking to sell games to Cairns.

Who's the minnow club here exactly?



It's ok to ask for help when you're screwed, especially when the system made to help you does the exact opposite.

You screwed yourselves. Trading out of the top-3 of the draft …… not once but twice. Holding Barrass when Sydney were offering overs in a trade. Giving Yeo a 3-year deal instead of trading him. Selling the farm for Kelly. Mucking up nearly every decent draft pick you had for 5-years. Choosing the Hawks draft pick instead of Carlton’s.

The list is pretty long ……

So it’s nice to blame the system. But in regards to list management you’ve probably made a ratio of 1 good decision for every 10 bad ones in the last 6-7 years. Same as the Kangaroos. Same as the Bombers.

It’s not the system. It’s your respective clubs gross incompetence.

 

[ShereKhan]

Are you concerned about Smillie being exposed as a man child prior to being reinjured?

We took 8 x players. Odds are a couple won’t make the grade. If Smillie doesn’t and the others do then no, don’t think anyone’s concerned. If five of them are spuds then yeah, if Smillies a spud it’ll be a costly error.

I might wait until he plays a game before panicking.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Tigers will be able to stay competitive as they are based in Vic and every year players move to Vic clubs or change clubc in Melbourne. Much more active trade market. Its why they won 5 games this season.

So they may finish bottom 3 but it wont be a 1 win season, they will continue winning 5 or 7 games as they rebuild. Not because they are better at rebuilding but because they will have more players willing to be traded there.

Deven Robertson now.
6 Players in 2 seasons.

 

[ShereKhan]

Go and look at the ladder form 2010. Tell me who was the only team below yours?

Again, 'asking' for help didn't exist as a mechanism back then so you can't exactly ask for what the AFL doesn't offer, can you?




Great.

Show me a draft as compromised as the last 3?



Again, you're not understanding the very simple concept that draft assistance didn't become a thing until 2012.

If this is too complicated for you to understand, not sure what else we can do here.



Minnows eh?

Our membership went up to 108k(2nd in the AFL) whilst Richmond's dropped below 100k and they are looking to sell games to Cairns.

Who's the minnow club here exactly?



It's ok to ask for help when you're screwed, especially when the system made to help you does the exact opposite.

Let me explain this slowly. Richmond appeared to be in such a dire predicament with GC and GWS coming in, that on multiple occasions Brendan Gale was asked if given the lack of pointy end picks available due to GC and GWS, would he consider speaking to the AFL about asking for special assistance beyond the standard PP system. We were 0-9 and being compared unfavourably to Fitzroy. The question was asked of him multiple times about seeking extra help.

Just because it wasn’t a policy written in stone doesn’t mean he wasn’t able to ask the question.

journo: “Given the extraordinary situation of GC and GWS having so many top picks and given your dire on-field situation, will you seek any special draft assistance or compensation from the AFL?”

Gale: “No we won’t. We will dig ourselves out of the hole and won’t request any sort of special assistance from the AFL.”

That’s ok …. different decisions made by different administrations.

 

[ShereKhan]

Deven Robertson now.
6 Players in 2 seasons.

It’s the system though, haven’t you heard. The system is made to work against the Eagles, it’s why they’ve won 10 of their last 100 games or whatever it is.

Can’t get players to go there (wrong) can’t get top-end draft picks (they trade them away) …. it’s the nasty system conspiring against them.

 

[Obeanie1]

Deven Robertson now.
6 Players in 2 seasons.

Another disengenous post.

A DFA who can't get a game. Wow, what a coup that is.

Let's not confuse quality trades for quality players versus trading for scraps in the annual movement of minor role players shown the door or chasing more money.

That's what teams not in Melbourne more often than not have left to trade for.

You don't agree the Melbourne trade market involves more players and regularly high quality players?

 

[Obeanie1]

It’s the system though, haven’t you heard. The system is made to work against the Eagles, it’s why they’ve won 10 of their last 100 games or whatever it is.

Can’t get players to go there (wrong) can’t get top-end draft picks (they trade them away) …. it’s the nasty system conspiring against them.

Lol. Typical response from someone peddling a silly agenda.

History and facts say otherwise. And not just at the Eagles.

But you keep posting your fantasy views to help you cope.

 

[Senor M]

Great.

Show me a draft as compromised as the last 3?

# of first round picks in the AFL Draft (last 3 years)
2022 - 21
2023 - 29
2024 - 27
= 77 in 3 years

I'd say 2010-2012 was more compromised.

2010 - 27
2011 - 30 ( + the 2 GWS mini draft players)
2012 - 23 ( + the 2 GWS mini draft players, plus the Adelaide relinquished draft pick)
= 80 in 3 years (+ 4 players drafted in the mini draft)

 

[Do the Dew]

Lot of North supporters up and about. Haven't they been rebuilding for about 6 years and they're still garbage?

 

[captain bloodsport]

Another disengenous post.

A DFA who can't get a game. Wow, what a coup that is.

Let's not confuse quality trades for quality players versus trading for scraps in the annual movement of minor role players shown the door or chasing more money.

That's what teams not in Melbourne more often than not have left to trade for.

You don't agree the Melbourne trade market involves more players and regularly high quality players?

Eagles got baker, Graham and starcevic. 3 very good additions.
Maybe the Melbourne trade market involves more players regularly.
It also has way more completion for free agents. You have 1 team to compete with for free agents and trades. We have 9 other teams to compete with can you agree that?

 

[ShereKhan]

Another disengenous post.

A DFA who can't get a game. Wow, what a coup that is.

Let's not confuse quality trades for quality players versus trading for scraps in the annual movement of minor role players shown the door or chasing more money.

That's what teams not in Melbourne more often than not have left to trade for.

You don't agree the Melbourne trade market involves more players and regularly high quality players?

I'm not sure that's backed up by facts.

There are 10 teams in Victoria. So the Victorian market would need to secure 5x as many 'quality trades' as WA, SA, Brisbane and NSW to be on parity.

In the last 5-years or so:

Freo: AA's Jackson, Bolton and Clark. (O'Meara and McVee on lower rungs).

Eagles: Dual premiership players Baker, Starcevich and Graham. (Robertson, Owies, Hunt)

Sydney: Adams, Grundy, Jordon (3rd in B&F)....and likely Curnow this trade period. (Ladhams, Francis)

GWS: Hogan, Stringer, Bedford (Keefe)

Port: Aliir, JHF, Lukoscious, Ratugolea, Richards, Rioli (Finlayson, Soldo, Sweet, Zerk-Thatcher)

Adel: Cumming, Dawson, Neal-Bullen, Peatling, Rankine

GC: Long, Noble, Rioli, Witts ...about to add Petracca.

Lions: AhChee, Dunkley (Doedee, Fort, Day) *Neale, Cameron and McCarthy a little earlier, and Joe Daniher now gone.


So in the last 5-years there's 'give or take' 30 x quality players...of those about 12-13 x elite players.

So there'd need to be 150 x quality players and approx 60 x elite players traded into Victoria to be on parity.

If anyone can be bothered checking feel free....

But Richmond as an example:

Hopper, TT, (Kosi). In the last 5 x years or so, that's it.

So no, I don't believe the Melbourne market attracts higher quality trades....as a total number of course it does, but as an average across 9 x Melbourne teams...not so sure the facts would support this.

 

[ShereKhan]

Lol. Typical response from someone peddling a silly agenda.

History and facts say otherwise. And not just at the Eagles.

But you keep posting your fantasy views to help you cope.

The facts are not hard to find...Here is the Eagles first selection in the draft from 2011 to 2021. These are the players that are aged 22yo to 32yo, and should be forming the nucleus of your current team.

2011: #23 Murray Newman
2012: #45 Brant Colledge
2013: #11 Dom Sheed
2014: #11 Liam Duggan
2015: #28. Luke Parlington
2016: #13: Daniel Venables
2017: #13: Jarrod Brander
2018: #28: Xavier O'Neill
2019: #49: Callum Jamieson (played just 17 x games)
2020: #37: Luke Edwards
2021: #14 Campbell Chesser (going to Carlton)

Add in the picks traded out for Kelly and the fact you've traded out of the top-3 of the draft not once but twice, and this is where you end up.

Obviously every team who finds themselves a basket case has done so via their own incompetence. And the AFL system allows for this and provides help regardless...that's the compo system, and that's fine.

But if you think the Eagles are in their situation due to the 'system' and not their own poor list management decisions and drafting fails over a long long period, then you're in denial.

If you nail picks 1 and 2 this draft and you can get a Chad Warner or similar type in coming years then the future looks pretty good.

 

[Shueygod]

You screwed yourselves. Trading out of the top-3 of the draft …… not once but twice. Holding Barrass when Sydney were offering overs in a trade. Giving Yeo a 3-year deal instead of trading him. Selling the farm for Kelly. Mucking up nearly every decent draft pick you had for 5-years. Choosing the Hawks draft pick instead of Carlton’s.

The list is pretty long ……

So it’s nice to blame the system. But in regards to list management you’ve probably made a ratio of 1 good decision for every 10 bad ones in the last 6-7 years. Same as the Kangaroos. Same as the Bombers.

It’s not the system. It’s your respective clubs gross incompetence.

You think splitting for Ginbey and Hewett was a bad idea even with the benefit of hindsight?

Need to watch more footy mate.

 

[Obeanie1]

The facts are not hard to find...Here is the Eagles first selection in the draft from 2011 to 2021. These are the players that are aged 22yo to 32yo, and should be forming the nucleus of your current team.

2011: #23 Murray Newman
2012: #45 Brant Colledge
2013: #11 Dom Sheed
2014: #11 Liam Duggan
2015: #28. Luke Parlington
2016: #13: Daniel Venables
2017: #13: Jarrod Brander
2018: #28: Xavier O'Neill
2019: #49: Callum Jamieson (played just 17 x games)
2020: #37: Luke Edwards
2021: #14 Campbell Chesser (going to Carlton)

Add in the picks traded out for Kelly and the fact you've traded out of the top-3 of the draft not once but twice, and this is where you end up.

Obviously every team who finds themselves a basket case has done so via their own incompetence. And the AFL system allows for this and provides help regardless...that's the compo system, and that's fine.

But if you think the Eagles are in their situation due to the 'system' and not their own poor list management decisions and drafting fails over a long long period, then you're in denial.

If you nail picks 1 and 2 this draft and you can get a Chad Warner or similar type in coming years then the future looks pretty good.

It was club incompetence that Sheed knee/foot and Vennavles concussion were medically retired?

Along with early retirements of Natanui knee, McGovern concussion, Brad Sheppard concussion and Luke Edwards concussion.

And other clubs don't make poor draft choices?

The club should have cut deeper and sooner trading out older stars. Tough lesson learnt, not the only club to do that.

And the past two years senior players have been traded out.

Anyway. You continue on your little one eyed rant. Hope you feel better for it.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

West coast recruiting the 2nd worst sides ( Richmond ) fringe mature players , whilst on the bottom of the ladder and ‘ rebuilding ‘ , may be one of the most bazaar moves I’ve heard of .
Is the long term goal to finish 2nd bottom ?

 

[bzparkes]

West coast recruiting the 2nd worst sides ( Richmond ) fringe mature players , whilst on the bottom of the ladder and ‘ rebuilding ‘ , may be one of the most bazaar moves I’ve heard of .
Is the long term goal to finish 2nd bottom ?

Mate, your mob couldn't even get Rosas to pick you.

We just got 2 blokes from the back to back premier.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Mate, your mob couldn't even get Rosas to pick you.

We just got 2 blokes from the back to back premier.

So would you say west coast have no problem picking up players?

 

[bzparkes]

So would you say west coast have no problem picking up players?

 

[captain bloodsport]

Cool, glad we sorted that out. west coast have no disadvantage picking up players

 

[ShereKhan]

You think splitting for Ginbey and Hewett was a bad idea even with the benefit of hindsight?

Need to watch more footy mate.

Would I take Sheezel or Ginbey/Hewett. Is that what we're debating here?

2023: Coaches votes / Brownlow votes / B&F finish:
Sheezel 24 / 3 / Winner
Ginbey 0 / 0 / outside top-10
Hewett 0 / 0 / outside top-10

2024: Coaches votes / Brownlow votes:
Sheezel 41 / 15 / Third
Ginbey 2 / 0 / outside top-10
Hewett 0 / 0 (didn't play)

2025: Coaches votes / Brownlow votes:
Sheezel 25 / 10 / Winner
Ginbey 2 / 0 / second
Hewett 6 / 1 / ninth

Totals:
Sheezel : 90 / 28
Ginbey/Hewett : 10 / 1

So I would've held pick #2 and taken Sheezel. Hindsight tells me this would have been a better decision. Ginbey and Hewett look like being good to very good players. But Sheezel is absolutely miles better than both of them.

I think hindsight will also tell us holding pick #3 and taking Jagga Smith would've been smart - watching him at underage level he looks a freak...let's hope his ACL is all good.

Going into Round 1 2026 with a midfield of Sheezel, Jagga and Harley Reid would've been pretty exciting.

 

[bzparkes]

Cool, glad we sorted that out. west coast have no disadvantage picking up players

The Harley Reid effect #destinationclub

 

[ShereKhan]

It was club incompetence that Sheed knee/foot and Vennavles concussion were medically retired?

Along with early retirements of Natanui knee, McGovern concussion, Brad Sheppard concussion and Luke Edwards concussion.

And other clubs don't make poor draft choices?

The club should have cut deeper and sooner trading out older stars. Tough lesson learnt, not the only club to do that.

And the past two years senior players have been traded out.

Anyway. You continue on your little one eyed rant. Hope you feel better for it.

You've just given a long-term, huge money deal to Starcevich...who has just come off yet another concussion - and have you seen the innocuous nature of a couple of his concussions...he's one more 'soft' concussion away from retirement. On the back of your recent experience with other players it's another example where I'm not sure your club knows what it's doing.

 

[captain bloodsport]

The Harley Reid effect #destinationclub

Within 3 hours you've completely changed your mind, glad we could get you to reconsider your opinion. That's very brave of you admitting you were wrong.

 

[bzparkes]

Within 3 hours you've completely changed your mind, glad we could get you to reconsider your opinion. That's very brave of you admitting you were wrong.

3 hours ago I was asleep.

Really not that hard to tell the difference between 2 posters, considering we have different usernames and avatars.