Rumour Speculation, Rumours, Lies Thread 2025 - Part 2

[Fritz n Sauce]

Just a friendly reminder Will Day was taken 7 picks after Fischer McAsey, with Hayden Young, Caleb Serong, Sam Flanders and Kysaiah Pickett in-between McAsey and Day.

Just a friendly reminder that at the time the club was really needing key position players rather than mid/forwards and he was “meant” to be a clear standout.

 

[Syd Crow]

Just a friendly reminder that at the time the club was really needing key position players rather than mid/forwards and he was “meant” to be a clear standout.

McAsey certainly was a clear standout. Right up there with Angwin.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Just a friendly reminder that at the time the club was really needing key position players rather than mid/forwards and he was “meant” to be a clear standout.

It was a dumb pick.
With the mountain of knowledge recruiting teams have these days they would have well known the poor kid had mental health battles,
he clearly didn't want to go interstate (look at the family reaction trade night)
An unfortunate situation all round.

 

[Cromulant]

It was a dumb pick.
With the mountain of knowledge recruiting teams have these days they would have well known the poor kid had mental health battles,
he clearly didn't want to go interstate (look at the family reaction trade night)
An unfortunate situation all round.

Ollie Wines, Brent Reilly, Travis Boak, Dan Curtin.... there's a lot of examples of players having similar reactions.

Fish might have been the wrong pick (clearly), but he wasn't helped by the circumstances at the time.

 

[PeterSalt]

It was a dumb pick.
With the mountain of knowledge recruiting teams have these days they would have well known the poor kid had mental health battles,
he clearly didn't want to go interstate (look at the family reaction trade night)
An unfortunate situation all round.

His father had a heart attack during Covid

 

[jenny61_99]

His father had a heart attack during Covid

Yeah it was a pretty tough time to be away from your family and a crisis like that changes your perspective on everything.

 

[Doctor B]

No but they would have made a big difference.

It was quite unfortunate that we were the only club in the finals with two injured players.

 

[MRB37]

Hamish seems to struggle at times with mids, I think he can at times get too focused on a narrow set of skills, but then we also seem to struggle to develop too.

Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

25

Ht

180cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.8

3star

, Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

, Harry Schoenberg, Ronin O'Connor, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor, Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond, Charlie Edwards and Sid Draper all selected since 2018.

Needs to be some sort of serious overhaul on what we're rating or how we're developing/coaching if you can spend all that draft capital and you've jettisoned a lot of it or have it sitting on the flanks at best.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Hamish seems to struggle at times with mids, I think he can at times get too focused on a narrow set of skills, but then we also seem to struggle to develop too.

Chayce Jones, Ned McHenry, Harry Schoenberg, Ronin O'Connor, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor, Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond, Charlie Edwards and Sid Draper all selected since 2018.

Needs to be some sort of serious overhaul on what we're rating or how we're developing/coaching if you can spend all that draft capital and you've jettisoned a lot of it or have it sitting on the flanks at best.

This is the problem in a nutshell at the AFC, recruiting the WRONG type of midfielder and then NOT developing them properly or playing them out of position etc.

Seriously - need someone to go spend an offseason to see what Brisbane do in their system to develop players.

 

[Fritz n Sauce]

Ollie Wines, Brent Reilly, Travis Boak, Dan Curtin.... there's a lot of examples of players having similar reactions.

Fish might have been the wrong pick (clearly), but he wasn't helped by the circumstances at the time.

Someone talking common sense, WTH!

 

[crow2crow]

Hamish seems to struggle at times with mids, I think he can at times get too focused on a narrow set of skills, but then we also seem to struggle to develop too.

Chayce Jones, Ned McHenry, Harry Schoenberg, Ronin O'Connor, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor, Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond, Charlie Edwards and Sid Draper all selected since 2018.

Needs to be some sort of serious overhaul on what we're rating or how we're developing/coaching if you can spend all that draft capital and you've jettisoned a lot of it or have it sitting on the flanks at best.

Yep and add to your list Gallucci, Poholke, Signorello, the worst of the lot!

 

[Fritz n Sauce]

Yep and add to your list Gallucci, Poholke, Signorello, the worst of the lot!

Any good ones or all bad?

Any recruitment team at 100%?

Or even 50%

 

[BunjiMac]

The earlier the pick, the less risk usually we afford it.

I think this translates to a preference of a stable, safe kid who (on average) represents good value, over someone who is unfinished, sparodic but with elite potential and bigger ceiling.

Is it a surprise that in the midfield we lack the game changing qualities at the highest level of finals?

 

[jackster83]

This is the problem in a nutshell at the AFC, recruiting the WRONG type of midfielder and then NOT developing them properly or playing them out of position etc.

Seriously - need someone to go spend an offseason to see what Brisbane do in their system to develop players.

To be fair, Soligo did just make the 22 under 22 side.

He just needs to start turning up against the better sides.

 

[dylan123]

I'm not as harsh on the club as many here for not having landed midfield talent this trade period - you can't force players to come, after all - but geez, we're now touting Pedlar as one of the answers to our midfield issues?

I was a massive Pedlar fan back in 2023, but there has been no indication whatsoever in the last two seasons that he will be a contributor in any role at AFL level in 2026, let alone representing significant improvement to our current midfield mix.

He was one of only two forwards in the first final that fired a shot against Collingwood. Still think there's a player there with some of the things he does but I don't see it being any more than a HFF kind of role.

 

[daniel_4tw]

Pedlar is the potential inside midfielder we need. Has the right attributes. But the guy needs to spent the entire preseason running or on the bike Neil Craig style - looks gassed every time he does anything.

 

[1990crow]

Pedlar is the potential inside midfielder we need. Has the right attributes. But the guy needs to spent the entire preseason running or on the bike Neil Craig style - looks gassed every time he does anything.

Nah. Not a natural ball winner. He's never shown he's capable of getting enough of the ball to be a mid.

Rachele on the other hand.

 

[CDC60]

While most teams draft record is 50/50 one of the areas we have under performed is in the Rookie Draft. With the exception of Butts and Keays they are mainly busts. Compare our record with Geelong. No wonder they can offer three firsts for Top 20 talent when they can find first team players in the rookie draft.

AFL Rookie Draft
2015
13 Paul Hunter: (14) Tom Papley

11

Tom Papley

Age

29

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.3

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

3.4

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.4

5star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.6

5star

2016
13 Sam Shaw: (16) Jack Henry

38

Jack Henry

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

142.6

2star

D

8.6

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

142.6

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

- Geelong
30 passed: (33) Zach Guthrie

39

Zach Guthrie

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

90.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

2star

MG

90.0

2star

D

10.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

- Geelong, (34) Robbie Fox

42

Robbie Fox

Age

32

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.6

5star

MG

151.3

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.8

4star

MG

151.3

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

0.4

1star

T

3.6

5star

, (37) Oscar McInerney

46

Oscar Mcinerney

Age

31

Ht

205cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.1

2star

K

4.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

14.3

5star

D

6.9

1star

K

4.1

2star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

16.4

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

11.2

5star

45 Ben Jarman: (46) Toby Pink

2017
17 Patrick Wilson

31

Patrick Wilson

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.5

4star

: (18) Liam Baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

27

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

, (22) Brody Mihocek

41

Brody Mihocek

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

8.2

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

G

1.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

2018
7 Kieran Strachan: (11) Tom Atkins

30

Tom Atkins

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.3

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

6.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

0.8

1star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

11.6

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

1.2

4star

- Geelong
24 Paul Hunter:
39 Jordan Butts:

2019
7 Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

: (14) Brad Close - Geelong
21 Ben Crocker

20

Ben Crocker

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

6.3

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

9.3

2star

K

7.5

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.8

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

: (35) Lachie Henderson - Geelong

2020
1 Bryce Gibbs: (7) Josh Treacy

2021 Mid-season draft
4 Patrick Parnell: (7) James Peatling, (8) Sam Durham

2022
4 Ben Davis

40

Ben Davis

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

: (15) Ollie Dempsey - Geelong

2022 Mid-season draft
4 Brett Turner: (6) Max Ramsden

2023
9 Will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

: (10) Lachlan McNeil

2024
3 Harry Schoenberg
16 Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

 

[Cromulant]

Yep and add to your list Gallucci, Poholke, Signorello, the worst of the lot!

You cant really compare a guy like Signorello, I mean how many pick 60 odd midfielders actually make it

 

[spenze]

While most teams draft record is 50/50 one of the areas we have under performed is in the Rookie Draft. With the exception of Butts and Keays they are mainly busts. Compare our record with Geelong. No wonder they can offer three firsts for Top 20 talent when they can find first team players in the rookie draft.

AFL Rookie Draft
2015
13 Paul Hunter: (14) Tom Papley

2016
13 Sam Shaw: (16) Jack Henry - Geelong
30 passed: (33) Zach Guthrie - Geelong, (34) Robbie Fox, (37) Oscar McInerney
45 Ben Jarman: (46) Toby Pink

2017
17 Patrick Wilson: (18) Liam Baker, (22) Brody Mihocek

2018
7 Kieran Strachan: (11) Tom Atkins - Geelong
24 Paul Hunter:
39 Jordan Butts:

2019
7 Ben Keays: (14) Brad Close - Geelong
21 Ben Crocker: (35) Lachie Henderson - Geelong

2020
1 Bryce Gibbs: (7) Josh Treacy

2021 Mid-season draft
4 Patrick Parnell: (7) James Peatling, (8) Sam Durham

2022
4 Ben Davis: (15) Ollie Dempsey - Geelong

2022 Mid-season draft
4 Brett Turner: (6) Max Ramsden

2023
9 Will Hamill: (10) Lachlan McNeil

2024
3 Harry Schoenberg
16 Chris Burgess

It does my head in how we have used the rookie draft in the last few years, we don't uncover talent, just extend an existing player for another year before cutting them.

It goes back to my thoughts on us not being ruthless enough with our list in an attempt to have a strong SANFL side.

 

[cmndstab]

It does my head in how we have used the rookie draft in the last few years, we don't uncover talent, just extend an existing player for another year before cutting them.

It goes back to my thoughts on us not being ruthless enough with our list in an attempt to have a strong SANFL side.

Agreed. Our record in the rookie draft used to be pretty good... but in recent years, we stopped even trying to find players there.

 

[Syd Crow]

This is the problem in a nutshell at the AFC, recruiting the WRONG type of midfielder and then NOT developing them properly or playing them out of position etc.

Seriously - need someone to go spend an offseason to see what Brisbane do in their system to develop players.

You would think Murray Davis should know.

 

[1970crow]

Pedlar is the potential inside midfielder we need. Has the right attributes. But the guy needs to spent the entire preseason running or on the bike Neil Craig style - looks gassed every time he does anything.

I know he’s had regular injury interruptions but recollection is that his last couple have been shoulder related. He should have still been able to get planet of clicks into his legs. I have no confidence that he’ll develop even a squirt midfielder’s tank with us or at all.

 

[1970crow]

While most teams draft record is 50/50 one of the areas we have under performed is in the Rookie Draft. With the exception of Butts and Keays they are mainly busts. Compare our record with Geelong. No wonder they can offer three firsts for Top 20 talent when they can find first team players in the rookie draft.

AFL Rookie Draft
2015
13 Paul Hunter: (14) Tom Papley

2016
13 Sam Shaw: (16) Jack Henry - Geelong
30 passed: (33) Zach Guthrie - Geelong, (34) Robbie Fox, (37) Oscar McInerney
45 Ben Jarman: (46) Toby Pink

2017
17 Patrick Wilson: (18) Liam Baker, (22) Brody Mihocek

2018
7 Kieran Strachan: (11) Tom Atkins - Geelong
24 Paul Hunter:
39 Jordan Butts:

2019
7 Ben Keays: (14) Brad Close - Geelong
21 Ben Crocker: (35) Lachie Henderson - Geelong

2020
1 Bryce Gibbs: (7) Josh Treacy

2021 Mid-season draft
4 Patrick Parnell: (7) James Peatling, (8) Sam Durham

2022
4 Ben Davis: (15) Ollie Dempsey - Geelong

2022 Mid-season draft
4 Brett Turner: (6) Max Ramsden

2023
9 Will Hamill: (10) Lachlan McNeil

2024
3 Harry Schoenberg
16 Chris Burgess

Peatling wasn’t ours, GWS took him in that draft.

 

[mymansyd]

This is the problem in a nutshell at the AFC, recruiting the WRONG type of midfielder and then NOT developing them properly or playing them out of position etc.

Seriously - need someone to go spend an offseason to see what Brisbane do in their system to develop players.

Murray Davis would know everything there is to know about Brisbane’s methods. We already have that intel. Also, development is one thing, sure, but their access to talent is the major factor for their success, and Fagan must be credited too. Elite Father-Son and Academy talents all over the place, with more to come. Plus they have traded superbly (Neale, Dunkley, Cameron, etc). Expect at least one more flag from this group.