List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71

[Ticky009]

 

[MF]

Gonna end up being 11 + 15 + 21 + Hayward for Curnow + 31 + 42 + 30

Yeah it's really not too bad whe you look at it like that. The 1st rounder in 2027 could end up a lot worse than 21 too.

 

[Membling]

Initial thoughts. We're pathetic and I'm angry.

There will be no trading in players over the next two years and we are no chance of matching any free agents we have next year. It's all eggs in one basket and a big rebuild coming when Tassie arrive

We've just guaranteed Carlton are a future force in the AFL too

Cap goes up $500k up to end of 2027, but reckon a few clubs will be betting on 2028 large increase.

 

[NinjaSwan]

Initial thoughts. We're pathetic and I'm angry.

There will be no trading in players over the next two years and we are no chance of matching any free agents we have next year. It's all eggs in one basket and a big rebuild coming when Tassie arrive

We've just guaranteed Carlton are a future force in the AFL too

By giving them a couple of role players who turn 28 next year, picks that they're going to use on Dean/Cody Walker bids (that they would’ve obtained from someone else if not us) and then a most likely late 1st rounder in the Tassie draft?

 

[Kbroome]

Yeah it's really not too bad whe you look at it like that. The 1st rounder in 2027 could end up a lot worse than 21 too.

As long as we don't flop in 2027 that will most likely be at worst pick like 18 for coming 10th

 

[TasSixer]

I'm not that enthusiastic about Curnow, I just want a flag and I hope it happens. If we won next year I wouldn't care if we finish last the year after and Carlton get pick 1. Just give me a day of glory please.

 

[WillHayward]

Don't have to worry too much if we can match academy bids now

Ok so we can still get Max King?
.and Blues can get two to early picks including Dean

 

[caesar88]

There's a gigantic cohort of our list who in my opinion are either completely unproven, unreliable, or inexperienced.

McLean, Sheldrick, Campbell, Jordon, Dattoli, Andrew, Bowman, Rampe (at this stage), Bice, McInerney, Edwards, Hamling, Cleary, Roberts, Warner Jr., Hanily, Snell, Lloyd (at this stage), Green, Rosas Jnr., Serong, King, Carmichael, Chamberlain and Kyle form nearly half the list with little to no evidence that they can meaningfully contribute to a team in serious contention. Jordon & McInerney the best of that group, and even then, the former I wouldn't say meaningfully contributed to a flag tilt yet, and latter is still wildly disparate as a player.

So good and well to say we're all in because we have this great top end, and we've just added another player who will (presumably) be a top-ender in Curnow.

But all it is is a premiership-contending top end, not a premiership-contending list. Nervous times ahead and the more I think on this trade the more it makes me unsure if the club really have a grasp of where this list is actually at, or if they've done a West Coast with Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

and gone chips-in on the "now" when the "now" isn't really worthy of doing so.

 

[NinjaSwan]

Yeah good summary I think.

And goes back to what I guess my number one issue with our list is - are we a contender or not? So hard to know when we've had such disparate form over the past four years, sometimes looking every bit the top side, other times looking absolutely miles off.

Will the real Sydney Swans please stand up?

100% a contender, 2 grand finals in 4 years and if you compare our age profile to other teams we have a very high % of best 23 players in their prime.

Maybe this list just isn’t good enough, but it’s at the point it should be peaking.

 

[hairy biker]

Atleast we suck at drafting in the first round, so may not be a huge loss there

God I wish people would stop saying this (even in jest).

How about we bring in recruiters to actually address the issue.
For too long our recruiting/list management has been rubbish, no sign it's changing.

For example if we pick Shanahan in last year's draft and see his development in 2025 would we be giving up Hayward and 3 Firsts for Curnow (and later picks)?

We have mortgaged our future on a 29 KPF with a long well paid contract.

Massive mistake IMO.

 

[MF]

As long as we don't flop in 2027 that will most likely be at worst pick like 18 for coming 10th

Oh I meant it could be worse for Carlton if there are some extra academy and F/S shenanigans on top of the Tas concessions.

 

[Mister B]

Don't have to worry too much if we can match academy bids now

So long as none of the smartarse clubs make a stupidly early bid on one of them just to force our hand. I have no confidence that we would call a bluff.

 

[Membling]

As long as we don't flop in 2027 that will most likely be at worst pick like 18 for coming 10th

I am looking at it more so an asset we cannot use for player movement or academy.

Could be a huge year for academy with Cairns, McLennan, Marshall-Orr, Mok and Hardy all looking very, very promising.

A lot of water to go under the bridge but could be some very interesting rammifications*






*of which I will not care about if we win a premiership

 

[liz]

Huge cost, but certainly mitigated a little by our awful track record with first round selections. We at least have a few mid-range picks now that will help us get at least two, maybe all three of King, Carmichael and the other chappy whose name has slipped my tongue.

McNamara didn’t even score an invite to the State Combine, so if the Swans liked what they saw in the VFL, he could well be rookied. Who knows with Chamberlain.

 

[Kbroome]

I am looking at it more so an asset we cannot use for player movement or academy.

Could be a huge year for academy with Cairns, McLennan, Marshall-Orr, Mok and Hardy all looking very, very promising.

A lot of water to go under the bridge but could be some very interesting rammifications*






*of which I will not care about if we win a premiership

Its gonna be hard to get meaningful picks in the Tassie draft unless you trade for the Tassie picks because it just blows it out of the water so much with 6 of the top 13 being Tassie picks. So we just gotta hope non of our boys are top 5 talents

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

But this means... can someone please please help out Heeney in the mids.

Hopefully Sheldrick makes another leap and seeing Rowy breathing fire after all the reports

Just need them to stay fit.

AA midfield of Mills, Heens, Chad and Errol.

Rowie 1st change with support from Sheldrick, Cleary, Jordan and Jmac.

I am very bullish on what we can do.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

All this flag talk expectation and blaming CC trade if we don’t get it.

Cmon, we finished 10th ! And look at the Lions for goodness sake. Let’s not blame a new recruit for lack of a flag, that’s on the 2024 crew and the coach.

If we move up and make finals to at least have a shot with CC being a strong contributor that’s pretty good. CC in and no flag = blame trade is cray cray wacky funster logic, there’s another 22 players that need to step up as well to get a flag.

 

[rustycrate]

11 + F1 + FF1 + Hayward for Curnow + 31 + 42 + FF2

That is four first rounders for Curnow with steak knives back.

11 + F1 +FF1 + Hayward(a first rounder) for Curnow plus a bunch of rubbish.

I have no words.

 

[Mister B]

We definitely paid overs. We need to consider the opportunity cost as well. Trading out 3 first rounders limits our ability to trade for elite talent in the next couple of years. So the swans better be damn sure Curnow was the missing piece otherwise this could be a huge anchor.

Not when we get 3 first rounders for Warner in a couple of years time.

 

[SwanHaz]

Happy with Swans bringing in Charlie, Rosas & Serong..
Not too fussed with the picks traded, so long as the Swans can cover the Academy lads..

Yes, it’s a bit of a bummer with Hayward, Florent & Buller going, but I think a bit of a shake up was needed.

 

[Dan87]

There's a gigantic cohort of our list who in my opinion are either completely unproven, unreliable, or inexperienced.

McLean, Sheldrick, Campbell, Jordon, Dattoli, Andrew, Bowman, Rampe (at this stage), Bice, McInerney, Edwards, Hamling, Cleary, Roberts, Warner Jr., Hanily, Snell, Lloyd (at this stage), Green, Rosas Jnr., Serong, King, Carmichael, Chamberlain and Kyle form nearly half the list with little to no evidence that they can meaningfully contribute to a team in serious contention. Jordon & McInerney the best of that group, and even then, the former I wouldn't say meaningfully contributed to a flag tilt yet, and latter is still wildly disparate as a player.

So good and well to say we're all in because we have this great top end, and we've just added another player who will (presumably) be a top-ender in Curnow.

But all it is is a premiership-contending top end, not a premiership-contending list. Nervous times ahead and the more I think on this trade the more it makes me unsure if the club really have a grasp of where this list is actually at, or if they've done a West Coast with Tim Kelly and gone chips-in on the "now" when the "now" isn't really worthy of doing so.

It's the only option if you want Heeney to win us a flag

First round pick still needs a few years to really impact in general

Going backwards was not on the menu

 

[NinjaSwan]

I am looking at it more so an asset we cannot use for player movement or academy.

Could be a huge year for academy with Cairns, McLennan, Marshall-Orr, Mok and Hardy all looking very, very promising.

A lot of water to go under the bridge but could be some very interesting rammifications*






*of which I will not care about if we win a premiership

We have a huge number of players coming off-contract in 2027, if the academy is looking really good that year we’ll have plenty of options to get more picks.

 

[something]

Initial thoughts. We're pathetic and I'm angry.

There will be no trading in players over the next two years and we are no chance of matching any free agents we have next year. It's all eggs in one basket and a big rebuild coming when Tassie arrive

We've just guaranteed Carlton are a future force in the AFL too

I think you're wrong, we will trade out players to bring new ones in.

 

[Membling]

Its gonna be hard to get meaningful picks in the Tassie draft unless you trade for the Tassie picks because it just blows it out of the water so much with 6 of the top 13 being Tassie picks. So we just gotta hope non of our boys are top 5 talents

Just makes it harder to match if they are top 10. Which in turn limits the ability to match, even out of the first round

Lots to go under the bridge but think it is the best academy talent level we have ever had. Lots to pan out but we will see.

 

[Kiama Chris]

God I wish people would stop saying this (even in jest).

How about we bring in recruiters to actually address the issue.
For too long our recruiting/list management has been rubbish, no sign it's changing.

For example if we pick Shanahan in last year's draft and see his development in 2025 would we be giving up Hayward and 3 Firsts for Curnow (and later picks)?

We have mortgaged our future on a 29 KPD with a long well paid contract.

Massive mistake IMO.

This sums up how I feel. Not at all Cox's fault that we are where we are list wise but I fear now we may pay a price. That said, I will continue to cheer cheer and hope that the remaining players, including Curnow, put up a damn good showing.

 

[rustycrate]

I feel pretty flat. I am NOT pumped to get Charlie at the price we've paid. Waaaayyy too much for mine. Very sad to see Ollie and Will go. Think we've put too many eggs in the Charlie Curnow basket. I do respect that we are trying something to win a flag and not just make a granny but I'm not a big fan of these trades. I'm happier about Rosas than Curnow because of the sour taste of the cost.

Out of the next 3 drafts in the first round.
The Prick better win us a flag.
His balls are up on the wall.

This is bullshit.