USA AOC, Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani. The need for strong progressive voices in US politics.

[sdfc]

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"Working people want leaders whose word means something."

She's such a fake.

 

[RedOrWhite]

It is of international significance that Mamdani has won the vote and become the mayor of NY. He won the election on the basis of opposing genocide in Gaza and demanding limited reforms to mitigate the massive social inequality in NY, and throughout the US.

It shows that the next generation is seeking out an alternative, and that they are not fazed by the word "socialism". In fact, they see it as preferable to capitalism.

However, as will soon become clear, Mamdani has no other role but to trap the desire for social equality and opposition to genocide and barbarism within the futile framework of parliamentary politics.

He will limit his actions to appeals to the very Democrat establishment that supports and enables the genocide in Gaza.

He has already lurched to the right after his election victory, making public statements in which he promises that he will not infringe upon the extreme wealth of the Wall St executives.

We are about to witness an extreme playing out of political reality, in which millions will be enlightened about the fakery of the DSA, and the impossiblity of solving any of the fundamental social issues by supporting them.

Wait and see.

Excellent post.

She's such a fake.

100%. At first Obama, and the new wave of Bernie, AOC and now Zohran are vehicles to redirect progressive energy back to the Democratic party no matter how shit lite they are.
As soon as Bernie bowed down to Hillary after being screwed in the 2016 primary and especially to an already cognitively deficient Biden in 2020, that's the moment progressives should have realised they were hoodwinked. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me and what not.

 

[Not Important]

"He spent an entire campaign mainly talking about affordability. About how unaffordable it has become to live in America’s largest city, from rent to food to public transit.

In doing that, he transformed the political calculus from one that scapegoated marginalised communities to one of people fighting alongside everyone else for a better life."

this is precisely what the dems need to do. fight for the marginalised.

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/what-zohran-mamdanis-election-win-in-new-york-city-tells-us-about-the-us?in_c=topstoryblock_3

 

[GreyCrow]

"He spent an entire campaign mainly talking about affordability. About how unaffordable it has become to live in America’s largest city, from rent to food to public transit.

In doing that, he transformed the political calculus from one that scapegoated marginalised communities to one of people fighting alongside everyone else for a better life."

this is precisely what the dems need to do. fight for the marginalised.

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/what-zohran-mamdanis-election-win-in-new-york-city-tells-us-about-the-us?in_c=topstoryblock_3

It wont be the Dems that save them it will be God

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It is of international significance that Mamdani has won the vote and become the mayor of NY. He won the election on the basis of opposing genocide in Gaza and demanding limited reforms to mitigate the massive social inequality in NY, and throughout the US.

It shows that the next generation is seeking out an alternative, and that they are not fazed by the word "socialism". In fact, they see it as preferable to capitalism.

However, as will soon become clear, Mamdani has no other role but to trap the desire for social equality and opposition to genocide and barbarism within the futile framework of parliamentary politics.

He will limit his actions to appeals to the very Democrat establishment that supports and enables the genocide in Gaza.

He has already lurched to the right after his election victory, making public statements in which he promises that he will not infringe upon the extreme wealth of the Wall St executives.

We are about to witness an extreme playing out of political reality, in which millions will be enlightened about the fakery of the DSA, and the impossiblity of solving any of the fundamental social issues by supporting them.

Wait and see.

ZM is no different to any other politician. Promise the world but deliver an atlas.

Alot of his economic policies make no sense to anyone who understands basic economics and if anything will make cost of living worse for people in NY than it is now if they are implemented. I doubt many of them will even be implemented, the checks and balances he will need to go through wont allow it i don't think.

I don't doubt why a lot young people feel so against capitalism, and feel so up against it financially. But socialism is not the answer. Better policy within capitalism framework is.

Socialism has never worked. It wont all of a sudden work now.

It definitely will be interesting to see.

As the old saying goes, sometimes you need to touch the stove to remember it's hot.

 

[GreyCrow]

ZM is no different to any other politician. Promise the world but deliver an atlas.

Probably true

I don't doubt why a lot young people feel so against capitalism, and feel so up against it financially.

But socialism is not the answer. Better policy within capitalism framework is.

Depends how you define Socialism. I know what it meant to me in the 70s and 80s and I was relatively happy with the Australian Socialism model - though I also recognised the Government bloat that created

And this goes to your last line. Better Government within a socialist framework

Socialism has never worked. It wont all of a sudden work now.

We can agree to disagree - again it depends on your definition of the Socialism Model

 

[faible]

ZM is no different to any other politician. Promise the world but deliver an atlas.

Alot of his economic policies make no sense to anyone who understands basic economics and if anything will make cost of living worse for people in NY than it is now if they are implemented. I doubt many of them will even be implemented, the checks and balances he will need to go through wont allow it i don't think.

I don't doubt why a lot young people feel so against capitalism, and feel so up against it financially. But socialism is not the answer. Better policy within capitalism framework is.

Socialism has never worked. It wont all of a sudden work now.

It definitely will be interesting to see.

As the old saying goes, sometimes you need to touch the stove to remember it's hot.

You know it's not a thing where you only choose one or the other right?

You can take good elements from any form of government.

 

[faible]

Probably true

Depends how you define Socialism. I know what it meant to me in the 70s and 80s and I was relatively happy with the Australian Socialism model - though I also recognised the Government bloat that created

And this goes to your last line. Better Government within a socialist framework

We can agree to disagree - again it depends on your definition of the Socialism Model

By American standards a lot of stuff we do here would be shouted down as socialist.

 

[GreyCrow]

By American standards a lot of stuff we do here would be shouted down as socialist.

Here in SA - and I assume other states the Water, Gas and Electricity were all Government or at least 51/49

Telecom was Government and I assume other utilities - CES and Social Security also

While there was bloat its not as bad as it is today with Centrelink and Job Networks all charging much more than government costs etc

But Im guessing Hirdys Socialism is some woke agenda that takes the cows milk and gives it to everyone

 

[faible]

Here in SA - and I assume other states the Water, Gas and Electricity were all Government or at least 51/49

Telecom was Government and I assume other utilities - CES and Social Security also

While there was bloat its not as bad as it is today with Centrelink and Job Networks all charging much more than government costs etc

But Im guessing Hirdys Socialism is some woke agenda that takes the cows milk and gives it to everyone

It's been pretty regularly demonstrated that privatising utilities and such doesn't lead to the 'efficiencies and cost savings' everyone is promised will happen.

Largely because for-profit companies then run them, unsurprisingly, for profit. In an environment where people have no choice but to use them and there's a monopoly or duopoly (or similar), there's little incentive to sell the product or service as cheap as possible.

 

[GreyCrow]

Yeah screw that Socialist Mamdani - New York deserves a Mayor only for New York

 

[liz]

Socialism has never worked. It wont all of a sudden work now.

Rampant capitalism clearly doesn’t work. Not for 99% of the population.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Rampant capitalism clearly doesn’t work. Not for 99% of the population.

I highly disagree.

the notion capitalism only works for the top 1% is just laughable.

Take Australia for example......if 99% of the population were anti capitalist or didn't flourish under capitalism the greens wouldn't have zero seats rofl. Its probably closer to 99% of people like capitalism, and the 1% don't.

Does parts of capitalism need better regulation? Sure. But there is scarcely a successful country on earth that isn't based on capitalism.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Probably true

Depends how you define Socialism. I know what it meant to me in the 70s and 80s and I was relatively happy with the Australian Socialism model - though I also recognised the Government bloat that created

And this goes to your last line. Better Government within a socialist framework

We can agree to disagree - again it depends on your definition of the Socialism Model

have no problem agreeing to disagree.

thats what the voting booth is for after all

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You know it's not a thing where you only choose one or the other right?

You can take good elements from any form of government.

I have long been an advocate of the 'salad bar buffet' approach to politics rather than one of absolute ideological purity. We take what best sustains us, and we leave the rest.

 

[faible]

I have long been an advocate of the 'salad bar buffet' approach to politics rather than one of absolute ideological purity. We take what best sustains us, and we leave the rest.

100%, this idea that you can only pick one thing and it must be that thing absolutely is absurd.

In reality you can take good bits from any ideology. Unless of course you're an idiot who replies to reasoned responses with stuff like 'rofl'.

 

[Chadwiko]

AOC extremely good here:

 

[Not Important]

Socialism has never worked. It wont all of a sudden work now.

nonsense. you need to get out more. try sweden, denmark, and norway as your starting point

 

[Not Important]

 

[GreyCrow]

Elite trolling



Demons09 was right - he is bringing in Ayrab stuff that sneaky ****er

 

[Not Important]

that would be workers? if that were the case perhaps they'd get out and vote rather than just throw their hands up

"The Democrats are not a left-wing party. They’re a centrist party, but the left is their heritage. They were a party of the left from William Jennings Bryan up to Lyndon Johnson. And you can’t have a party of the left where the main constituency that you care about is highly educated people, experts. It just doesn’t work. The party has to be organized around the aspirations and the needs and so on of ordinary people"

 

[Not Important]

this is so encouraging. a generation that won't tolerate a fascist state run by a barking mad sociopath.

Really American (@reallyamerican)

Wow! 30,000 students in Charlotte just staged a walkout to protest Trump’s ICE immigration raids in the city. Young generation standing up 💪

substack.com

 

[Not Important]

what a refreshing tone he brings to politics.

 

[Cyg1992]

nonsense. you need to get out more. try sweden, denmark, and norway as your starting point

Newscorp (conveniently) never mentions those countries so they barely even know they exist.

 

[IlovethePies]

Mamdani in his recent meeting with Donald Trump. All smiles and praise for the fascist Trump coming from the mouth of Mamdani.

In the course of this meeting with Trump, Mamdani did not mention one word of disagreement when Trump explained that both he and Mamdani would work together to get rid of "horrible people" (immigrants) who make NY City unsafe. Trump even said: "He (Mamdani) wants to get them out even more than I do", with Mamdani giving his agreement through his silence.

At the end of the press conference, Mamdani declared his determination to "root out antisemitism", lending legitimacy to the claim that oppositon to the Gaza genocide is anti-semitism. Yet this is a man who partially owes his election to his claims to oppose the genocide in Gaza.

Mamdani was willing to publicly declare that he and Trump have a "shared goal" of addressing NY's affordability crisis. As if the Trump administration, which deliberately slashed food stamps to 42 million vulnerable americans, and is in the process of destroying public health and public education, firing thousands of Federal workers and forcing tens of thousands to work for nothing during the shutdown, will now help to make NY City "affordable". Politically, Mamdani is playing a despicable role, by giving the Trump administration some kind of credibility, and confusing his own supporters who hate Trump.

The lowlight of Mamdani's meeting with Trump was when a reporter asked Mamdani if he stood by his previous statements that Trump was a fascist. As Mamdani mumbled to give a coherent answer, Trump intervened on his behalf, saying: "That’s OK, you can just say it. It is easier than explaining it. I don’t mind.” Trump then patted Mamdani on the arm, as Madmani smiled. Thus the pair jointly agreed that Trump is a fascist, but that this would be no hindrance to their blooming “partnership.”

It has only taken 2 weeks for the fraud of Mamdani to be exposed. This meeting between Mamdani and trump will be recorded by future historians as a critical moment in the process through which the Democratic Socialists such as AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Mamdani are exposed as the political criminals they are for attempting to deceive the working class that reforms can be achieved by pressuring/cajoling etc capitalist politicians.