List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo

[Belnakor]

They also say Jaeger till 2023 when that's been confirmed 4 years.

Do think it's weird that jackson deflected the question onto his manager when he was asked about it though.

Sounded like Jackson was just focused on getting here and hadn’t even thought about contract length. Then his manager in the background is hitting the panic button saying hey son you need to do that whole contract thing !

I’d imagine it will be between 5-7 year

 

[Taylor]

No that was Neil Erasmus

There is another

 

[Joao]

This time of year is lame when you have no draft picks. Maybe we should have traded Serong...

 

[Taylor]

This time of year is lame when you have no draft picks. Maybe we should have traded Serong...

Don't even joke. We will be dining out on him signing a long term deal for weeks.

 

[DocT]

Below is my idea of a balanced list and coincidentally my view on the positions in an AFL team. I'd be interested to see your thoughts.

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List Analysis (age in 2023, contracted to)

Defence

KPD
Hamling (30, 2023): retirement within 2 years likely. Very good depth.
Pearce (28, 2025): B22 lock. Injury prone. Possible Tasmania move.
Cox (25, 2024): B22 lock. Possible trade target.
Benning (20, 2023): Very raw, odds are he won't make it.

Assesment: Next year is the time to draft a quality KPD prospect.
Rationale: There are two possible outcomes in my view: Benning makes it and we don't need to spend draft capital on a KPD, or he doesn't and we should draft a solid prospect using a moderately high pick. It is likely that Benning won't make it, however we can and should wait one more year to act on that.

Small Defenders:
Wilson (30, 2023): retirement within 2 years likely. Very good depth.
Walker (21, 2024) Still developing but likely long term B22.

Assessment: Small defender not required in the next two years.
Rationale: Although a defender with the ability to lock down smalls may be required after the retirement of Nathan Wilson, there are more pressing needs this year. Cover injury with existing players until Wilson retires.

General Defenders:
Hughes (29, 2024): Very good depth.
Ryan (27, 2023): B22 lock. Possible trade/FA target.
Clark (23, 2025): B22 lock.
Young (22, 2027): B22 lock.
Chapman (21, 2027): B22 lock.

Assessment: Draft a speculative general defender.
Rationale: If all of Ryan, Clark, Chapman, Young and Walker are playing, we do not have any non key position defenders developing at Peel. As all of them are young and AFL quality, and half back flankers are not hard to develop, we should not use a valuable pick on this area.

Midfield

Inside Mid:
Fyfe (32, 2023): retirement within 2 years likely. Form unknown.
O'Meara (29, 2026): B+ player who will provide leadership and experience to an otherwise young midfield.
Brodie (25, 2023): B grader who may be squeezed out by glut of A graders in his role. Very good depth.
Serong (22, 2023): B22 Lock.
Erasmus (20, 2025): Very talented, likely B22 lock when Fyfe retires.

Assessment: Inside mid not required in next two years.
Rationale: Currently overstocked with inside mids. Next inside mid should be drafted when O'Meara retires. This would leave us with Erasmus and Serong in the side, Brodie as depth and the draftee developing.

Inside-Out Mids:
Aish (28, 2025): Put him here due to lack of other options. B22 lock for me.
Brayshaw (24, 2025): B22 lock.
Johnson (20, 2025): Developing likely B22 player.

Assessment: Draftee required. Consider FA/Trade for this role as it is hard to fill.
Rationale: Inside-Out mid is one of the hardest positions to fill in my opinion as these types generally go very high in the draft if they are any good. I have shoehorned Aish into this role due to the lack of options at Fremantle. My hope is that Johnson comes on as advertised which would allow Aish to be pushed to an outside midfielder role. Any draftee we take in the next year or two could fill the depth role in years to come if they don't develop into an AFL quality player.

Outside Mids:
Henry (22, 2023): Still developing and highly talented. May not make it.
O'Driscoll (21, 2024): B22 lock, partly due to lack of competition.
Worner (21, 2023): Rookie listed depth player. May see game time due to lack of competition.

Assessment: Draft best available. Should target FA and trades for this role.
Rationale: Pray to your deity of choice that something clicks for Henry this year. Fremantle lack all calibre of outside mids. FA and trade suggested to target known quantity and increase speed of acquisition.

Ruckman:
Darcy (25, 2024): B22 lock. Trade/FA risk?

Assessment: Draftee required.
Rationale: We have two A grade ruckman on the list and then nothing. A competent mature ager would be advised which should be achievable with the picks available.

Forwards

KPF:
Taberner (30, 2024): B22 lock. Retirement within 2 years likely.
Kuek (23, 2023): Very raw, has some attributes but odds are he won't make it.
Treacy (21, 2023): Developing player. Unknown whether he will become AFL or depth quality.
Amiss (20, 2025): Likely B22 lock for 10+ years.

Assessment: Target high quality trade or FA for this role
Rationale: With Taberner soon to retire there will be an opening in the B22, however Treacy has not yet proven himself to be AFL quality. And although Amiss looks to be extremely talented and capable, his body is not built to compete with most KPD yet. A ready made KPF of average or above quality would be the best outcome in my opinion. Worst case scenario: retain and play Treacy after Taberner retires and draft another KPF if Kuek is delisted.

Small Forwards:
Walters (32, 2023): Retirement likely. B22 lock if end of 2022 form continues.
Switkowski (27, 2024): Injury prone. B22 lock, especially after Walters retires.

Assessment: Draftee required.
Rationale: Specialist small forwards can be found later in the drafts. Considering the draft capital available, Fremantle should be looking to fill these sorts of roles. Fills a need with the likely retirement of Walters in the next year or two.

Forward-Ruck:
Jackson: (22, 2029): Likely B22 lock for 10+ years.

Assessment: Draftee required.
Rationale: Speculative tall forwards can be found later in the draft e.g Jack Williams last year. They don't often work out but Fremantle have the luxury of accepting that risk given it's ruck stocks. Note I have deliberately called this player archetype Forward-Ruck as that should be the order of priorities for the requisite skills in my opinion.

General Forwards:
Colyer (32, 2023): Retirement within 2 years likely. Good depth.
Corbett (27, 2024): Unknown ability. Likely depth but a lot depends on preferred team composition.
Schultz (26, 2023): Currently B22.
Banfield (25, 2024): Good depth.
Frederick (23, 2026): Developing likely B22 player.
Sturt (23, 2023): Still developing and highly talented. May not make it.

Assessment: Multiple quality draftees required. Should target with trades and FA.
Rationale: None of the players on the list above are regular, game changing forwards. Fremantle need to acquire quality forwards as a matter of urgency. Note the age of these players....

2022 Draft

30: General/small forward. (Darcy Jones/Jaiden Magor/Jacob Konstanty/Jed Hagan)
44: General/small forward. (Darcy Jones/Jaiden Magor/Jacob Konstanty/Jed Hagan)
67: Forward-Ruck slider. (Harry Lemmey/Tom Scully)
76: Promote Schultz

Rookies: Scaife or Draper, Tipungwuti and mature aged ruckman.

Cat B: Scaife or Draper and Ultan Kelm.

Wow! Thanks for the excellent work. Great classifications and layout. I'm on board with 95%. Some observations to advance the conversation:
I thought Benning was more a ruck project/prospect?
I think Frederick has exceeded the 'developing' tag. He has great outside mid potential.
I think our coaches see Walker as best 22, he played 21 games in 2022.
O'Meara had a great season off the half-forwrd flank. Does that change his classification?
Brodie is better than a 'B'. He has amazing hands under pressure.

 

[Superkoops]

Benning played some game time in the reserves as KPD - likely the games where Riley Smith dropped to the reserves. Can’t be bothered checking.

He played the majority of games as a ruck, incl. the one single league game where he chopped out in the ruck.

Varying reports his height between 195-197cm. He is very raw only having moved permanently to Perth after the season started with Claremont colts last year. If I remember correctly had minimal pre-season aside from running laps.

Will be interesting to see how both he and Kuek come on during this coming pre-season.

Kuek had a brilliant start to the year with East Perth. Had some fleeting moments but had injury troubles and difficulty adjusting to a new team on the fly.

I’m hoping one of them come on as an athletic key position and ruck support. Kuek needs to eat a lot of protein and hit the gym.

 

[Taylor]

If I remember correctly had minimal pre-season aside from running laps

He looked to have shin issues all during preseason. We could do with him being supremely fit all preseason

 

[serial_thrilla]

Has there been any word of any significant off-season surgery for any of our players? Any moon boots or slings at the Doig?

I need to prepare myself for how big the recovery group will be come December.

 

[greatgatsby]

Has there been any word of any significant off-season surgery for any of our players? Any moon boots or slings at the Doig?

I need to prepare myself for how big the recovery group will be come December.

Fyfey usually has 5 or 6 bits of work done, then you need to factor in a surfing injury.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Fyfey usually has 5 or 6 bits of work done, then you need to factor in a surfing injury.

I think thats him in there

 

[serial_thrilla]

Fyfey usually has 5 or 6 bits of work done, then you need to factor in a surfing injury.

I feel we're due an off-season basketball injury too.

 

[A New Hope]

Anyone in the delistings today worth taking a punt on? Fredricks?

 

[Taylor]

If you feel like a delisting is worth more than a pick around the 50s or 60s then you should trade most of our picks for fewer better ones and pick up the delisted free agent.

I don't expect we will.

 

[mightymouse75]

If you feel like a delisting is worth more than a pick around the 50s or 60s then you should trade most of our picks for fewer better ones and pick up the delisted free agent.

I don't expect we will.

I was always worried about Freddy going home to play with his brother..

 

[WilloTree]

There are no big fish next year. The biggest by far coming out of contract is Caleb Serong. The best free agent is Harry Himmelberg. Jake Gresham would be an amazing free agent target given our needs. That’s about as good as it’ll get next year. 2024 is a different story, Bolton, Naughton etc.

According to footywire, the following are out of contract 2023. Depending on how they go next year, I'd guess:

Serong - will need a payrise
Benning - meh
Hamling - delist
Treacy - extend/increase
Worner - extend/increase
Schultz - extend/increase
Henry - no idea, may ask for a trade
Ryan - extend
Walters - reduce and extend/retire
Fyfe - reduce and extend/retire
Wilson - see how we go
Sturt - on life support as is
Colyer - see how we go
Brodie - extend

Then make room for Rivers, Sharp and Motlop

 

[FreoRicci]

NORTH have delisted some quality players.
Jed Anderson

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Jed Anderson

Age

31

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

. Yikes. They get Tucker and he’s delisted? Lucky Darcy
Wouldn’t mind rookie listing Josh Walker.

 

[Joao]

Not sure I am keen on Rivers. Decent defender but doesn't have any standout traits I've noticed.

 

[Ge3ks]

I was always worried about Freddy going home to play with his brother..

I believe West Coast are interested in Martin.

 

[Ge3ks]

Lobb is going to end up being the primary ruckman if English is ever injured.

Three-club big man calls time on 15-year career

Stefan Martin has announced his retirement after 203 games with Melbourne, Brisbane and Western Bulldogs

www.afl.com.au

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

NORTH have delisted some quality players.
Jed Anderson. Yikes. They get Tucker and he’s delisted? Lucky Darcy
Wouldn’t mind rookie listing Josh Walker.

I'm not sure it's possible for one of the worst teams in the history of the AFL to delist a quality player...

 

[s_wd6]

I believe West Coast are interested in Martin.

that would actually be good for us having them both in the same city

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I'm not sure it's possible for one of the worst teams in the history of the AFL to delist a quality player...

We won't find quality in the DFA pile, but Walker provides solid KPP depth. I would rookie list him personally.

 

[Docker82]

We won't find quality in the DFA pile, but Walker provides solid KPP depth. I would rookie list him personally.

I think he's quite decent tbh but he's 30 before next season starts. That alone would be enough for me to think we won't bother.

North said they'll re-rookie one or two of the players they delisted so they'll probably be the ones rookie-listing him

Anderson probably ends up somewhere else as a DFA or rookie.

 

[myfreodom]

We won't find quality in the DFA pile, but Walker provides solid KPP depth. I would rookie list him personally.

You guys are on crack. Hamling >>>>>> Walker. Just wasting a list spot getting DFAs from any club, especially North though.

 

[ignoramus]

I feel we're due an off-season basketball injury too.

Anyone got the lowdown on upcoming music festivals over the summer?