Operation Epstein Fury: US/Israel attack on Iran

[Zidane98]

Iran kicking own goal after own goal.


This from their former ally:





Safe to say Iran should be working with these states about being a reliable neighbor to encourage closer ties with Iran than the US.


With the current regime staying in power they are guaranteeing Iran is an international pariah for years.


And the biggest losers of that are the people of Iran.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If they are expecting to get the people to rise up and change the regime. Surely destroying infrastructure and making it more difficult for them isnt the way to go about things?

Because all this accomplishes is that it guarantees Iran targeting energy resources of its neighbours.

There "must " be some pretty strong communication going on between the Israeli's and USA behind the scenes at time.
The Israeli's are wack jobs.

The USA attacked the military targets on Kharg island extensively, but seemed to go out of their way not to damage any of the passenger or oil terminal infrastructure. Then the Israeli's blow the crap out of a gas field.

A drunk or stoned Israeli pilot was quoted as saying " yeah but dude, should have seen the flames. ". ( ok i made that up ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I was in USA not so long ago homeless and people on drugs their is insane, speaking to guy at a hotel he pays 500 USD a month for health insurance he cut himself while riding a bike needing stitches he went to hospital and they didn't let him in as his insurance didn't get coverage from that hospital so he needed to travel 50 minutes to a hospital that is covered while bleeding. Also paid 400 on top of that to get stitches. You think money for pointless war spent on it's people m

Its terrible. There are people who can't get a job, because they literally can't get clean and well dressed enough to go to a workplace. Lots of the health insurance is included in a salary package, lose the job, lose the health insurance.

 

[Zidane98]

I don't believe it but apparently Trump has decided to end all operations against Iranian natural resources for the moment:





I imagine if this were accurate the message to the Khamenei regime through back channels is we are ceasing fire, up to you to do the same.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Iran kicking own goal after own goal.


This from their former ally:





Safe to say Iran should be working with these states about being a reliable neighbor to encourage closer ties with Iran than the US.


With the current regime staying in power they are guaranteeing Iran is an international pariah for years.


And the biggest losers of that are the people of Iran.

The problem with theocracies is that other nations are not righteous enough to deserve their respect, even if they worship a similar religion.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

OSINT sources are the best for this if you follow them.


It appears drone launches have dropped off steeply:

US says it has destroyed Iran missile capacity: How is Iran still shooting?

Despite degraded launch capabilities, Iran has enough missiles to fire strategically, keep region on edge, say experts.

www.aljazeera.com

Also, over 200 Ukranian drone interceptor exports have arrived and are operating in GCC nations.


Ukraine has developed drone interceptors that have a 80-90% success rate on Shahed suicide drones and cost $3500 each to manufacture.

It's a game changer and will render Iran's suicide drone swarm attacks against civilian targets 90% ineffective.

While the Iranians are crazy they aren't stupid and won't continue firing endlessly with these interception rates.

There are 10 pound rockets that have been in use since the Vietnam Era ( Hydra Rockets ), often carried on helicoptors.

As an unguided system, they were prone to causing collateral damage. So the USA developed a guidance kit, which can be retrofitted to existing rockets. Essentially, they fire a laser at the target and the rockets head towards the laser.

Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They then found that they work very well against something like a drone, ( which pretty much travels in a straight line ).

So now there are A10 Warthogs cruising round the gulf , carrying pods of those, and plenty of other arms as well.
( an A10 would have a pretty good chance of shooting down a drone with its cannon ).

F16's against drones were just way too fast, and the missiles were expensive.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't believe it but apparently Trump has decided to end all operations against Iranian natural resources for the moment:





I imagine if this were accurate the message to the Khamenei regime through back channels is we are ceasing fire, up to you to do the same.

The USA have so far avoided hitting Oil/Gas. Israeli's are being dickheads.....as usual.
I doubt that the USA will cease fire against military targets.

 

[Sixpence]

I don't believe it but apparently Trump has decided to end all operations against Iranian natural resources for the moment:





I imagine if this were accurate the message to the Khamenei regime through back channels is we are ceasing fire, up to you to do the same.

That's because it violates international law. It's not out of the goodness of his heart.

 

[Zidane98]

That's because it violates international law. It's not out of the goodness of his heart.

Orange Mussolini shows a strong disregard for international law.

 

[Saint]

Iran kicking own goal after own goal.


This from their former ally:





Safe to say Iran should be working with these states about being a reliable neighbor to encourage closer ties with Iran than the US.


With the current regime staying in power they are guaranteeing Iran is an international pariah for years.


And the biggest losers of that are the people of Iran.

In what way was Qatar an ally?

They tried to keep Iran on-side to avoid what's happening now, but Qatar have always been more closely aligned with the USA than with Iran.

That's why Iran is attacking them.

 

[Saint]

I don't believe it but apparently Trump has decided to end all operations against Iranian natural resources for the moment:





I imagine if this were accurate the message to the Khamenei regime through back channels is we are ceasing fire, up to you to do the same.

Trump is trying to tell Israel what to do and Israel has constantly told him they will do what they want and he will nod along.

It's practically how Rubio described this war starting.

 

[bourbons]

“Because of the fact that we have had such Military Success, we no longer ‘need’, or desire, the NATO Countries’ assistance – WE NEVER DID! Likewise, Japan, Australia, or South Korea,” Trump wrote on social media.

“In fact, speaking as President of the United States of America, by far the Most Powerful Country Anywhere in the World, WE DO NOT NEED THE HELP OF ANYONE!”

Translation: I've really ****ed this up, and desperately need someone to fix it for me

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[bourbons]

I had a little look at Fox News coverage of the war. I looked through the first 100 articles under the war tag. Not a single one was critical of Trump, there was criticism of a few folks who have jumped ship over the war but non of the war. There were talking heads bagging NATO for not helping clear the straits. None of the morons mentioned that it was Israel and the US who started the war without consultation, that it's not NATO's role as a defensive organisation or that he's asking the same allies he bullied, slaps with tariffs, and even threatens to invade.

Most importantly they fail to mention what an incredible high risk mission this would be - ships confined in a narrow straight, moving slowly, with one side occupied by Iran with thousands of missiles and drones to fire at them. How long are ships magazines going to last in that environment?

Slight aside, I noticed Fox had a menu at the top, one of options is labelled "US". The sub menus are "Blue City Crime", "Campus Radicals", "Border Crisis" and "True Crime". I hoped the last option would feature the members of the Trump crime family, sadly it did not.

They are lost.

Biggest cable news org in the world.

Just imagine how melted ya brain would be if that was your only source of news or current events info, as it would be for probably a majority of Trump's base. Any wonder that country is in the state it is, they're finished. Democracy doesn't work with a population that dumb

 

[schneebly111]

I imagine if this were accurate the message to the Khamenei regime through back channels is we are ceasing fire, up to you to do the same.

It doesn’t matter. Israel (the ones who bombed South Pars) have been allowed to do whatever they want with zero repercussions. They will still get the billions in funding from the U.S. taxpayer as they’ve bribed Congress and the White House. Israel being a welfare state won’t have to worry about high petrol or energy prices, but Trump and the GOP have to worry about midterm votes

Netanyahu is probably laughing at how weak Trump and the whole U.S. government are.

 

[bourbons]

Trump has said that true MAGA support the war in Iran and support Israel.

Line in sand moment for the increasingly fractured movement

They do, to the tune of 90% or something per a poll released earlier this week. These are the 'lifetstyle' Trumpers who will just bend themselves into whatever supportive pretzel is required no matter what it is that dear leader is actually doing.

But what we really need is a poll determining what percentage of US 'conservatives' still identify as 'MAGA'. It'd be less than 12 months ago but still way too many.

 

[schneebly111]

“Thousands” is nowhere near enough to perform anything remotely like a land invasion. Even this well publicised transfer of a Marine Expeditionary Unit from Japan is only a single infantry battalion, 3 rifle companies. They’ll have trouble holding a single block in Iran let alone the coastline of the Strait of Hormuz.

You’d probably need 3 divisions to hold the coast of the Strait and the mountains surrounding the coast. Then to reinforce that line you’d need artillery, armour, aviation. Then add on 60% logistical and support units to every combat unit, and realistically the Yanks would need 150-200,000 troops all up in theatre.

For comparison the 2003 invasion they had almost 600,000 total troops in the Gulf, and that was only for 2 mechanised infantry divisions coming in from the south and an airborne brigade from the north into Iraq.

 

[2 eazy]

Ground troops is a disaster. USA couldn't win in Iraq or Afghanistan while Iran military is bigger bigger population bigger land area plus a mountainous nation is guaranteed to fail. Heck Saudi and US can't defeat Houthis who aren't even a military in Yemen.

 

[Saint]

It doesn’t matter. Israel (the ones who bombed South Pars) have been allowed to do whatever they want with zero repercussions. They will still get the billions in funding from the U.S. taxpayer as they’ve bribed Congress and the White House. Israel being a welfare state won’t have to worry about high petrol or energy prices, but Trump and the GOP have to worry about midterm votes

Netanyahu is probably laughing at how weak Trump and the whole U.S. government are.

Israel would be cheering at the damage Iran is doing to the Middle East. They'll hit oil infrastructure again now that the USA has let them do it once.

Israel considers them all enemies. They're the ones stopping the formal annexation of the West Bank by Israel. The Gulf States have set it as a red-line and told the USA that. Israel are going as close to it as possible.

If the Gulf States are weakened in the meantime, that suits Israel just fine for when they expand their invasions of all of their neighbours.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Think of the Iranians who have been under a dictatorship for ever.

It's forgotten now that the dictatorship was massacring any opposition to them.

I listened to an interview on Iran the latest and the dictatorship is still openly threatening anyone speaking out against them with death and only allowing regime supporters out at night.

Just wanting to ask about the bolded bit. Who has actually forgotten that?

 

[Saint]

Just wanting to ask about the bolded bit. Who has actually forgotten that?

Nobody, Zidane just likes reminding everybody that one side is bad (no comment on the other side. Iran is killing civilians and that's terrible and Israelis are white, so they can do what they like).

Meanwhile, Heating Oil has hit an all-time high price (higher than Russian invasion). At least people will start disconnecting the old systems which run on them.

 

[bourbons]

Legacy media 101

Compliant media 101.

Mainstream/legacy certainly don't have a monopoly on dishonesty and cheering for war, some of the 'independent' (lol) MAGA youtubers out there boy oh boy wowee. Tim Pool's "no new war/I love war" supercut has to be seen to be believed

 

[bourbons]

To all those expressing surprise at the ideological direction of FOX News... Unless you are very young or haven't been interested in world affairs till now, how can you be shocked? FOX News have always been the same. Staunchly conservative to the last.

Calling Fox News "staunchly conservative" is like calling Mt Everest a reasonable sized hill.

They're state TV propaganda at this point.

 

[bourbons]

Nah. If that were true he would have built up a massive strategic oil reserve. Have military assets ready in the region to go when the shit hits the fan. There also would have been coordination with GCC states and western allies. None of this happened, organisation was shambolic.

It is abundantly clear that the whole operation was launched off the cuff. That is exactly what Trump has always done and will always do until he is out of office.

Launching it off the cuff and Bibi coercing him into doing so aren't mutually exclusive, Trump is just that incompetent (or that scared about the full Epstein files coming out).

Bibi and Putin must be thanking their lucky stars for Trump, real Kerry Packer "you only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime" vibes.

 

[the_interloper]

They do, to the tune of 90% or something per a poll released earlier this week. These are the 'lifetstyle' Trumpers who will just bend themselves into whatever supportive pretzel is required no matter what it is that dear leader is actually doing.

But what we really need is a poll determining what percentage of US 'conservatives' still identify as 'MAGA'. It'd be less than 12 months ago but still way too many.

Yeah I listened to Ben Shapiro this morning and he said this, he was using the term "MAGA" and not "republican voters" though. How do they know they're interviewing a "MAGA" and not just a conservative?

Either way the same poll basically had the MAGA supporters evenly split on putting troops on the ground, safe to say this would not be popular at all, Trump doesn't want that anyway surely.