2002/2003 Grand Final Losses

[bluesforever]

Not at all trolling, just curious to see who you guys blame for losing both GF's. Players or Mick? Probably a mix but enlighten me on your thoughts now the pain obviously would be a little more dim. Brisbane were a very good side, but so were Collingwood, I think they went in favourites in 03? Cheers.

 

[thatday]

Not at all trolling, just curious to see who you guys blame for losing both GF's. Players or Mick? Probably a mix but enlighten me on your thoughts now the pain obviously would be a little more dim. Brisbane were a very good side, but so were Collingwood, I think they went in favourites in 03? Cheers.

You're a cruel, cruel person.

I blame the fact that Brisbane were the best team of the last 40 odd years.

 

[swiftdog]

Players predominantly but Mick will have to shoulder some of the blame as well.

2002: We had beaten Brisbane throughout the year so were good enough to beat them. When it came down to it in the end Mick couldn't do more than he already had. It was down to the players and they stuffed it up.

2003: Abberation. Like 2002 we had already beaten Brisbane in the year, just 3 weeks earlier. Many will blame Mick for putting Cloke up forward and having Walker in the team etc but most of them were there 3 weeks earlier as well. Rocca let us down and the players shat themselves on grand final day.

 

[shawthing09]

Players predominantly but Mick will have to shoulder some of the blame as well.

2002: We had beaten Brisbane throughout the year so were good enough to beat them. When it came down to it in the end Mick couldn't do more than he already had. It was down to the players and they stuffed it up.

2003: Abberation. Like 2002 we had already beaten Brisbane in the year, just 3 weeks earlier. Many will blame Mick for putting Cloke up forward and having Walker in the team etc but most of them were there 3 weeks earlier as well. Rocca let us down and the players shat themselves on grand final day.

I'd agree with that. As many have pointed out including myself our failure to have a decent tap ruckmen hurt us too. Our midfielders whilst not pacy where all very hard at it and good around the stoppages at reading and sharking the other teams taps. To counter this Keating just belted the ball 20 odd meters away from the stoppages.

 

[Dave The Man]

2002 they where some Dodgy Calls by the Umps

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

Not at all trolling, just curious to see who you guys blame for losing both GF's. Players or Mick? Probably a mix but enlighten me on your thoughts now the pain obviously would be a little more dim. Brisbane were a very good side, but so were Collingwood, I think they went in favourites in 03? Cheers.

Not at all trolling, just curious to know who you blame for 3 wooden spoons and becoming the new Fitzroy for this millenium?

 

[Godfrey Jones]

i blame mick for 2003

its hard to blame anyone for 2002. i'm not accepting the loss but cant see what more the coaches or players could have done... unfortunately

 

[ButteredCrumpet]

i blame mick for 2003

Really.. did he have a brain fart and get our power forward suspended so that our entire structure fell apart?

 

[mwalker]

Really.. did he have a brain fart and get our power forward suspended so that our entire structure fell apart?

I have to agree with you (first time in a few days....lol) the suspension killed us in 2003 and threw our structure out substantially.

 

[DoubleO7]

Rocca's fault for getting suspended and stuffing our forward structure

 

[Kirby]

Not at all trolling, just curious to know who you blame for 3 wooden spoons and becoming the new Fitzroy for this millenium?

The perfect reply to an obvious troll attempt by the op.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

2002 they where some Dodgy Calls by the Umps

i will never blame the umps for costing us a match but god damn how Anthony Rocca's goal was called a point is beyond me.
Even Mal Michael and Chris Johnson said they started walking to their positions cause they said it was a goal.
That would have put us up by a few and it could have broken the shackles.

2003, everyone can shoulder the blame. From Rocca to the players to Mick

 

[FIGJAM]

2002 we did our best and came up short regardless of any calls. I think we should have played McGough instead of Leon. I could find the posts where I vented this if I could be arse. Stinky McGough would have won the ball in those conditions and Leon had no possies (although to be fair Brisbane had two zeros as well, so it's just the way it is).

2003 we fielded probably...no, definitely...the worst Grand Final team I have ever seen and even Brisbane players said we didn't have the hunger. In addition, we didn't have the cattle either, and this, coupled with our shit 2001-2003 drafting and injuries to ageing stars, was the reason why we bottomed out and have had to relaunch from 2004-2005.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Really.. did he have a brain fart and get our power forward suspended so that our entire structure fell apart?

nope. but he is in charge and the structure and team he did field, did not work obviously.

its similar to the game this year where he gave maxwell a midfield role. he said himself "sometimes you try something and if it doesnt work out you look like an idiot. if it does then you pat yourself on the back"

it didnt work, and he gets held responsible.

 

[Optimax]

i will never blame the umps for costing us a match but god damn how Anthony Rocca's goal was called a point is beyond me.
Even Mal Michael and Chris Johnson said they started walking to their positions cause they said it was a goal.
That would have put us up by a few and it could have broken the shackles.

2003, everyone can shoulder the blame. From Rocca to the players to Mick

very much a goal, the umpires down the far end nd midifield both felt it was a goal. Just the mian umpire and goal umpire didnt it

03 was a catstrophe, from rocca to positional changes, to selfish players everything was wrong

 

[Optimax]

Really.. did he have a brain fart and get our power forward suspended so that our entire structure fell apart?

we could of played McKee as a ruckman and played fraser forward. that was the option that occured to me as molloy was injured or we could of left cloke in the backline and played Jimmy clement as our FF with tarrant as our Chf and kinnear in the ruck.

Neither would of worked substanially well, but we failed epicly anway.

Like i said in my last post all of 03 GF was a cluster ****, cant blame it all on one person

 

[Snag Breac]

Not at all trolling, just curious to see who you guys blame for losing both GF's. Players or Mick? Probably a mix but enlighten me on your thoughts now the pain obviously would be a little more dim. Brisbane were a very good side, but so were Collingwood, I think they went in favourites in 03? Cheers.

Bullshite. Spare us your fake sympathy.

And who do Carlcrap fans blame for your long years of shameful bottomfeeding?

 

[Nebula1971]

Not at all trolling, just curious to see who you guys blame for losing both GF's. Players or Mick? Probably a mix but enlighten me on your thoughts now the pain obviously would be a little more dim. Brisbane were a very good side, but so were Collingwood, I think they went in favourites in 03? Cheers.

Your subtlety was brilliantly executed ... well done

Now, it's my turn ... go and fu<k yourself.

 

[1970]

I blame John Howard - not the incumbent Prime Minister at the time, the actor. If he hadn't been cast as Geoff Heywood in "The Club" none of this would have happened. Ron Wearmouth should have gotten that part - he was one of the best football character actors of his generation.

 

[swiftdog]

we could of played McKee as a ruckman and played fraser forward. that was the option that occured to me as molloy was injured or we could of left cloke in the backline and played Jimmy clement as our FF with tarrant as our Chf and kinnear in the ruck.

Neither would of worked substanially well, but we failed epicly anway.

Like i said in my last post all of 03 GF was a cluster ****, cant blame it all on one person

2003 was when the new ruck rule was brought in wasn't it? McKee was hopeless from when they brang it in.

 

[shawthing09]

As opti said 03 was a bit of a cluster ****. I think one thing that can't be looked past is how well Brisbane played on that day. It doesn't help that we played hopelessly but they were superb. They were going for 3 in a row and as much as it pains me to say as a side they wanted it more on the day. They imposed themselve on every contest and exposed every weak link. As well as the fact that our fowardline plain and simply broke down in the absence of big Anthony.

If only every player we drafted was made of the stuff that Burnsy and Bucks was. When Burns smashed through Browny on that day I was off my seat and I thought that's what we need to play like all day. Unfortunately there was a couple of less inspiring incidents later in the day involving a few players who a no longer on our list.

 

[tess]

Who cares the 2009 season is just around the corner and 2002/03 are not 6 and 7 years behind us. By Collingwood FC averages we are in a Grand Final Dought!

 

[beez]

This is seriously the worst thread ever, bringing up such heartbreak is not called for!

 

[Magnus the Magpie]

nope. but he is in charge and the structure and team he did field, did not work obviously.

its similar to the game this year where he gave maxwell a midfield role. he said himself "sometimes you try something and if it doesnt work out you look like an idiot. if it does then you pat yourself on the back"

it didnt work, and he gets held responsible.

Yeah, but the stubborn bastard has never admitted that playing J. Cloke down forward was a massive mistake. Instead, he blamed the player himself - a real injustice as, to many of us at the time, Cloke was never going to be able to do the job as a key forward (his appalling kicking for a start!).

For mine, we should have gone with Buckley down forward and relied on mobility to test their very-good, but none-too-quick, backs. We'd have been better but there's still no way we'd have beaten them: as someone else noted, they were clearly the best team of the last 40 years or so.

 

[Pie eyed]

LOl at those apportioning blame.

Is it so hard to admit that despite the fact Collingwood got into the GF on the back of previous victories over Brisbane, that on the day they were better.
2002 was a close fought game and Brisbane won. Had a few little things gone our way it could very easily have been the flag we covet.
2003, without Pebbles, our entire structure was unsettled and Brisbane took full advantage of it. They were dominant all over the ground and reamed us. End of story.

Mick and the boys were good enough to get us there and we were not good enough to win on the day. It is just a fact that some supporters will never accept even now.
2006/2007 with a young side, rebuilding and while in the midst of a generational change we have been good enough to make the finals and win a few. Still it is someones fault we did not win the flag.
Never mind that Geelong and this year Hawthorn were by far the dominant sides. It could not be possible that they were simply better than Collingwood. Someone has to be to blame.

"Personally I blame all the supporters who constantly turn on the players and coach at the drop of a hat....it is a direct result of their negative attitude that we don't win flags....the bad Karma flows to the club and hobble them. If they all quit the club and went off to support Freo we would win 5 in a row.
Do the right thing and go. For the Club".

If you think the above is unfounded and irrelevant have a look at your own opinions.