2002 AFL odds!

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by blurton
Who has the better list between Brisbane and Essendon? - give me Brisbane's any time. The best midfield in the league, one of the best CHF's (who's still developing), solid defence, and a great coach. Brisbane are on the way up.

Brisbane best midfield in the league eh? Right.

Let me know any time you like what has happened to this midfield the last 3 times they've played the Carlton midfield? I'll give you a hint...smashed.

Port's midfield last time? smashed.

Essendon's? smashed.

Hawthorn's? smashed.

Now, if our forward line functioned.....bring on McKernahan!

 

[Pessimistic]

Originally posted by The Starchild
Brisbane best midfield in the league eh? Right.

Let me know any time you like what has happened to this midfield the last 3 times they've played the Carlton midfield? I'll give you a hint...smashed.

Port's midfield last time? smashed.

Essendon's? smashed.

Hawthorn's? smashed.

Now, if our forward line functioned.....bring on McKernahan!

Fair comments. Hawthorns turnaround from emphasis on keys to emphasis on midfielders (and lots of them) has shown they view brisbane as the benchmark to achieve.

But I would not be surprised if the lions had a huge hangover next year. but only time will tell.

And I rate collingwood as a smokey. They are probably one quarter away from it at the moment.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Dan26
Even though Brisbane won the flag, I cant beleive they are actually premiership favourites for 2002 with the bookies.

Essendon should be premiership favourites.

The Bombers present the best value at $3.50. Think about it. A The best team in the comp, virtually guaranteed the flag if we have a decent run with injury is paying 350%!!

Get on the Bombers. You're wasting your money with these other teams. We may not be 100% certainties, but at $3.50 we are WAY over the odds.

Forgive me If I am wrong but didn't Brisbane win 16 in a row including beating Essendon in MELBOURNE in the Grand final??

I think that makes them the best team in the comp by a mile.

Don't be deluded about the Bombers Dan - they will be lucky to make the Top 4 next year

They were very lucky to beat the Hawks in the Prelim Final this year.

Brisbane v Hawthorn Grand final in 2002 in my view.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dan26
Even though Brisbane won the flag, I cant beleive they are actually premiership favourites for 2002 with the bookies.

Essendon should be premiership favourites.

The Bombers present the best value at $3.50. Think about it. A The best team in the comp, virtually guaranteed the flag if we have a decent run with injury is paying 350%!!

Get on the Bombers. You're wasting your money with these other teams. We may not be 100% certainties, but at $3.50 we are WAY over the odds.

Why are they virtually guaranteed the flag?? Thats utter utter crap. If Brisbane have a good run injury wise then they will be near unstoppable next year.
You really must be a blind tool to believe Essendon should be guaranteed flag favourites.
Brisbane won 16 on the trot....Essendons last 6-7 games of the year were very shaky. In no way at all should Essendon be flag favourites.

You really are an arrogant bias fool Dan

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dan26

I don't think Brisbane deserve outright favouritism. Favouritism shouldn't be based on the outcome of two hours of footy on September 29th. You've got to analyse it a bit more deeply than that! There is more to a season than 2 hours of footy.

your right Dan. And correct me if im wrong here but didnt Brisbane finish on the same amount of wins as Essendon last year?? After the finals, Brisbane also would of won more games throughout the season wouldnt they Dan? So please tell me Dan why Essendon should be favourites ahead of Brisbane?

However as for the "odds" next year, Essendon should be favourites.

No, you shouldnt. Brisbane won the most games throughout the year. Brisbane won the premiership. Brisbane beat your mob twice. Thats enough reasons to say Brisbane should be favourites.

We still have the strongest playing list,

thats debatable.

and I still believe we are the logical choice for the flag, if you had to name one team.


In your very very bias eyes.

 

[oh_my_hat]

Carlton without Kouta next year and Bradley although a great player is pushing 38 and they are $13 for the flag??? I have great respect for Carlton even though I hate them but $13 is a tad optimistic. It's not like they had a first round pick this year that will bring a rookie in to the starting line that will take the league by storm. Where is the improvement going to come from? Murphy, McKernan?

I can only see them slipping back this year. What am I missing?

 

[Mcchawk]

Anyone want to bet the scum don't beat Brisbane next year and don't make the Grand Final? Can't wait to hear the excuses from Sheedy (that's if they still keep him), Graeme "we underachieved" McMahon and of course Turd boy. Brisbane in my mind will be stronger next year than ever.

 

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by oh_my_hat
Carlton without Kouta next year and Bradley although a great player is pushing 38 and they are $13 for the flag??? I have great respect for Carlton even though I hate them but $13 is a tad optimistic. It's not like they had a first round pick this year that will bring a rookie in to the starting line that will take the league by storm. Where is the improvement going to come from? Murphy, McKernan?

I can only see them slipping back this year. What am I missing?

As a Carlton fan, and despite losing SOS, I think we have a better list this year than last. I reckon I know Carlton pretty well, our strengths/weaknesses etc, and I'm pretty happy with the trades we got from this years draft. I think if McKernahan can find form and provide a target up forward with Whitnall, and then have Lappin, Houllihan and Hickmott feeding off with possibly Fevola playing a forward pocket, then I believe we have the midfield&forward power to defeat all other sides. Given that our backline was the best in the league last year despite having SOS play many games up forward, I'm not as concerned as most others that he's now gone. He will be a great loss sure, but I think we can cover him enough to be a flag threat.

Our wild card is Kouta, if he can come back and play CHB and find some form in the latter part of the season then I genuinely think $13 is good value.

 

[McCartney5]

Originally posted by The Starchild
I think if McKernahan can find form

HAHAHAHAHA

I have heard people saying that since about midway through 1997, it is not going to happen

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Mcchawk
Anyone want to bet the scum don't beat Brisbane next year and don't make the Grand Final? Can't wait to hear the excuses from Sheedy (that's if they still keep him), Graeme "we underachieved" McMahon and of course Turd boy. Brisbane in my mind will be stronger next year than ever.

We mightn't beat the Lions, we will have to wait & see, but I bet we beat your mob everytime & end up higher on the ladder.

 

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by McCartney5


HAHAHAHAHA

I have heard people saying that since about midway through 1997, it is not going to happen

If he returned to 96 form and Kouta came back firing I've no doubt we'd win the flag. McKernan doesn't need to return to that form though, all he needs to do is play reasonably well, kick 40-50 goals and present himself as a target which our crumbers can feed off.

McKernan apparently had a shocking year in 2001 but he still kicked 38 goals and he was killed by that Carey syndrome thing. Change of environment, better midfield feeding him, better support from the club/coaching staff, more precise role in the forward line...you just never know hey, he just might go ok at Carlton.

I'm confident Carlton did better out of that deal with North but considering their situation as well, it was a win/win trade.

 

[Pessimistic]

Originally posted by McCartney5


HAHAHAHAHA

I have heard people saying that since about midway through 1997, it is not going to happen

Don't laugh - they got premiership form from Earl Spalding in 1995

 

[Blues2001]

Originally posted by ok.crows
In my view, Brisbane deserve to be the outright favourites for next season.

WHAT???? Not Adelaide???

 

[windyhill]

Originally posted by Mcchawk
Anyone want to bet the scum don't beat Brisbane next year and don't make the Grand Final? Can't wait to hear the excuses from Sheedy (that's if they still keep him), Graeme "we underachieved" McMahon and of course Turd boy. Brisbane in my mind will be stronger next year than ever.

How was Prelim day for you fella ?

 

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by windyhill

How was Prelim day for you fella ?

Which year Johnny, 99 maybe???

 

[blurton]

Originally posted by Pessimistic


Fair comments. Hawthorns turnaround from emphasis on keys to emphasis on midfielders (and lots of them) has shown they view brisbane as the benchmark to achieve.

The benchmark Starchild. This means he rates them as the best going round. I don't even follow Brisbane but I know they have the best midfield. I think that any genuine observer of ALL the clubs would have to agree that Brisbane's midfield was the main reason they got to and won the Grand Final. Anyway Starchild, I admire your passion for your club.

Cheers.

 

[The Starchild]

Injury-free and both in form, Brisbane's midfield is awesome but Carlton's is better.

Allan, Koutoufides, Ratten & either Camporeale, Murphy, Hulme or Bradley for the last spot beats anything Brisbane has to offer.

Koutoufides on his own rips them, let alone having Ratten as support. Murphy, Camporeale or Braddles/Hulme are just a luxury.

Any person that thinks Brissy's midfield is better look at last three times we've played them and who's come out on top in the middle...thanks for coming Brisbane and bye bye.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Dan26


Yes, they hold the premiership cup. Thanks for telling me, otherwise I wouldn't have known.

I don't think Brisbane deserve outright favouritism. Favouritism shouldn't be based on the outcome of two hours of footy on September 29th. You've got to analyse it a bit more deeply than that! There is more to a season than 2 hours of footy.

As for accepting defeat, I accepeted it the moment the siren went. I was rapt to see Brisbane win a flag. Good on 'em. I wish it wasn't over the Bombers, but on the whole I was happy to see the Lions win a premiership. It was good for football.

However as for the "odds" next year, Essendon should be favourites. We still have the strongest playing list, there will be no premiership hangover (because we didn't win the premiership) and I still believe we are the logical choice for the flag, if you had to name one team.

At $3.50, we are over the odds. I wouldn't put my money on Brisbane - no way in the world.

YAWWWWN

 

[GoEagles]

Blues2001 - who/what on earth is that in your avatar? It looks really 80s!!!

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Jars458


Forgive me If I am wrong but didn't Brisbane win 16 in a row including beating Essendon in MELBOURNE in the Grand final??

Yes they did, Your point?

Originally posted by Jars458
I think that makes them the best team in the comp by a mile.

By a mile? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

After 25 matches, Brisbane went 20-5, Essendon went 19-6. Essendon had the better percentage (for and against ratio) from their 25 matches.

There was virtually nothing between the teams for the year. Both were as even as you can get. Only percentage seperated the teams after round 22, and they were still even on 19-5 each entering the Grand Final.

Essendon played their best football at the start of the year, while Brisbane played their best at the end. That doesn't necessarily make Brisbane the better team, it just means they hit their form at the right time.

Originally posted by Jars458
Don't be deluded about the Bombers Dan - they will be lucky to make the Top 4 next year.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'll be disappointed if we do any worse than 17-5.

Originally posted by Jars458
They were very lucky to beat the Hawks in the Prelim Final this year.

Oh, god here we go again. Yes we were lucky to beat Hawthorn, but you can't judge how good a team is on one match over two hours. You've got to look at the whole season over 6 months to get a realistic idea of quality.

I think Essendon deserve premiership favouritism for a couple of reasons:

1.) Brisbane will have every other team gunning for them.

2.) The premiership hangover might hit Brisbane. It won't hit Essendon because we don't have a premiership to be hung over from!

3.) Brisbane, in 2001 played to their potential overall. You couldn't possibly expect them to do better than the 20-5 they accomplished. They were at their BEST. Essendon, were not at their best in 2001. We were close to our best during the first half of the season but we didn't quite reach our potential like Brisbane did.

Brisbane played far closer to their potential in 2001 than Essendon did. Yet, Essendon STILL finished on top anyway! If both teams play to their potential in 2002, Essendon will win more games IMHO.

Therefore Essendon deserve premiership favouritism. If you want to put your money on Brisbane actually compeleting back-to-back flags, then go ahead - waste your money. You'd be better off betting on Essendon, to bounce back. There is no premiership hangover, and there is more chance Essendon will play closer to their potential than Brisbane after the events of 2001.

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Dan26




I don't think Brisbane deserve outright favouritism. Favouritism shouldn't be based on the outcome of two hours of footy on September 29th. You've got to analyse it a bit more deeply than that! There is more to a season than 2 hours of footy.

Like what? Four hours of footy? As Macca said, they beat you twice. Essendon dont deserve favouritisim becuase facts are the Lions are the best side in the comp. A percentage gap of 7% isnt the issue. Not to the rest of us anyway.

The Dons should be clear 2nd favourites, which they are. I cant see any problems with it.

 

[Worm4]

The real odd's should be this :

Essendon - $3.50
Brisbane - $4.00
Carlton - $8.00
Richmond - $10.00
Port Adelaide - $10.00
Hawthorn - $15.00
Collingwood - $33.00
Sydney - $33.00

The rest should look something like this

West Coast - betting suspended
Fremantle - betting suspended
Adelaide - $500.00
Geelong - $1,000.00
Bulldogs - $1,000.00
Geelong - $1,000.00
Melbourne - $1,000.00
North Melbourne - $1,000.00


Realistically, these sides will not possibly win the flag and don't have the personel to compete with the top eight rated sides on a consistent basis.

Sure to bring up some controversy, but at least it's my honest opinion !

Why bother posting a market for any West Australian side to begin with. Are the bookies fairdinkum ?

 

[Worm4]

Originally posted by Worm4
The real odd's should be this :


West Coast - betting suspended
Fremantle - betting suspended
Adelaide - $500.00
Geelong - $1,000.00
Bulldogs - $1,000.00
Geelong - $1,000.00
Melbourne - $1,000.00
North Melbourne - $1,000.00

Ooooops ! I don't really believe that Geelong could win the flag twice in one year.

I meant to put St Kilda at those same odds. - No hope at $1,000.00

 

[Roylion]

Brisbane have earned the right to be 2002 premiership favorites over Essendon at this point in time on a number of counts.

1) They are the reigning premiers, defeating Essendon.
2) They won more games than Essendon, during the season, 20 to 19.
3) They have defeated Essendon twice, both in Brisbane and in Melbourne by a combined total of 54 points.
4) The Lions have the form, winning our last 16 straight, a feat bettered by only 6 teams in VFL/AFL history. Since that winning streak began in Round 10 (against Essendon) we have had the number 1 attack scoring 118 points per game and the equal No. 1 defence with Sydney conceding 78 points per game. Brisbane have the motivation to continue the winning streak as long as possible. (23 is the record)
5) Brisbane have not lost any premiership players, and only one fringe premiership players (Matthew Kennedy) whereas Essendon has lost from their Grand Final side the very good Damien Hardwicke and ruckman John Barnes (who has been replaced by the ageing Paul Salmon).
6) The Lions defeated every other side, during the year except for Carlton (who finished 5th) and Adelaide (who finished 8th). Essendon defeated every side in 2001 except Carlton (whom they lost to twice) and Brisbane (whom they lost to twice).
7) The Lions have very few injury problems over the summer, apart from Clark Keating. Nearly all are doing full pre-seasons.
8) Premiership Hangovers are by no means a certainty. After all Essendon didn’t experience one this year in 2001. The great Hawthorn sides of the later eighties and nineties didn’t experience them very often either. Already Brad Scott, Daryl White and Michael Voss have expressed a wish to experience more success in 2002.

Brisbane, in 2001 played to their potential overall. You couldn't possibly expect them to do better than the 20-5 they accomplished. They were at their BEST. Essendon, were not at their best in 2001. We were close to our best during the first half of the season but we didn't quite reach our potential like Brisbane did.

This is a matter of opinion. Why couldn't you possibly expect the Lions to do better than the 20-5 they accomplished? Why couldn't the Lions better their 2001 achievement by winning more games?

Didn't you say also Dan, before the Grand Final that the Lions had no chance of winning the AFL premiership against Essendon.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wormy - can I have some of the 500-1 on Adelaide. Also, Brisbane deserve to be favourites IMO, from Essendon who have no good rucks. But Carlton 3rd favourites - C'mon what Xmas dr*gs as you taking. Surely the Hawks & Power are ahead of Carlton with no SOS & an injured Kouta (ie. what key tall defensive player do they have?) In fact the Hawks at $15 look great value (but not as much value as Adelaide at $500). I wouldn't put any money on Geelong, West Coast, Freo & St Kilda, as you would bet better off donatong to the Taliban fighting fund.