2014 Draft Discussion

[Quigley]

Demons would surely be able to match our offer? Clark quitting leaves a big hole in their salary cap...worth a crack still

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Yep it does kind of ruin a very cunning plan. Bloody Clark screwing us over a second time They do have a few guys they need to re-sign though most particularly Frawley.

On McCartin he would be in the mix as the top pick. Before Twomey decided to start his usual cheerleading campaign with Wright the object of his affection McCartin would probably have been the favourite to go first overall. He is a good forward prospect and if he performs well over the rest of the year I could easily see him going first. He is probably the most natural of the key forward options this year. Wright and Durdin have better physical characteristics and possible upside but McCartin would be a damn good option as well. I would not have Goddard near the other three personally if I was looking for a KPF.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If we are sadly destined for the spoon, I really hope one of the Wright, McCartin and Durdin trio has a statement-making year and announces themself as a pretty obvious #1.

Would be kinda shitty to suffer the shame of a wooden spoon and on top of that have the #1 pick in a year when the top 3-4 is an absolute chook raffle.

 

[Lace Out]

And hopefully these kids and their parents and their managers aren't keeping an eye on the bottom end of the ladder and the true form and effort is on show.

 

[Ironmonger]

If we are sadly destined for the spoon, I really hope one of the Wright, McCartin and Durdin trio has a statement-making year and announces themself as a pretty obvious #1.

Would be kinda shitty to suffer the shame of a wooden spoon and on top of that have the #1 pick in a year when the top 3-4 is an absolute chook raffle.

It feels that way, but the upside is we get to pick the chook that best suits our needs.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It feels that way, but the upside is we get to pick the chook that best suits our needs.

Quarter piece with the wing, hot sauce with peri peri chips thanks.

Oh dear, I've become lost in my own metaphor.

 

[James North]

THAT'S MY EXACT ORDER.

 

[Hollow Knight]

THAT'S MY EXACT ORDER.

I think I love you.

People who order the leg piece are defective.

 

[Ironmonger]

Get a room, etc.

Quarter piece with the wing, hot sauce with peri peri chips thanks.

Oh dear, I've become lost in my own metaphor.

I was going to say 'pluck' the chook, but I thought that was a step too far.

I always order a leg, incidentally.

 

[James North]

I think I love you.

People who order the leg piece are defective.

Oh man ... why would you ever CHOOSE to do that.

I've been forcefully ordering the wing at chicken places since my early days as a Chicken World fan.

 

[chopperduck]

No question our first pick will be high, and we will score a KPF. Our 2nd pick however, could be interesting. Around the 18-20 mark, we could still score another quality player. Another mid wouldnt be bad, but I also wouldnt mind a small forward type.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Our second round pick will probably be early 20s after free agency compo is dealt out etc. Assuming Dawson comes on as expected, a club will bid and force us to use our second pick on him (assuming we want him).

 

[chopperduck]

Maybe. Hard to say until we see how well he goes. I guess if we are forced to use our 2nd pick, its good in a way because it means he has shown something. Im hoping we can get away with using our 3rd round pick, and still using our second.

With the depth in talls this draft seems to have, we could snag another good mid at that pick.

 

[dlanod]

One thing I've learnt is that the club has a much better handle on what the academy kids are worth than I do after the Freeman/Conway/Tickner "debacle".

 

[POBT]

It will be a gutsy call for another club to use a first round pick to take a guy from a non-football state who is a bit "in between" as far as height/size/position go. However, a really good champs to frank last year's form will make him an intriguing prospect.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It will be a gutsy call for another club to use a first round pick to take a guy from a non-football state who is a bit "in between" as far as height/size/position go. However, a really good champs to frank last year's form will make him an intriguing prospect.

Yeah I think it would be more of a "keeping us honest" situation, especially if it creates a flow on steal effect to other academy players if Hammellman or someone else has a big year.

The clubs would have to be confident we would match of course. A lot of ifs.

Could be more of a factor in the late teens. Matchu was smoking some good crack when he said a club would bid a top 4 pick on Dawson.

 

[Ironmonger]

There's a potential dilemma with the academy picks.

Let's say we had pick 22, like last year, and Gardiner happened to be in this year's draft pool. And from talking to other clubs we had a pretty good idea that we'd be able to get Gardiner with that pick, but not with whatever our next pick was. Do we take Dawson knowing that we're missing out on Gardiner, who we might well rate higher than Dawson?

Every time we activate an academy selection we miss out on the chance to get someone else we really rate. It's a good dilemma to have, but it's something our recruiting staff will wrestle with.

 

[Hollow Knight]

There's a potential dilemma with the academy picks.

Let's say we had pick 22, like last year, and Gardiner happened to be in this year's draft pool. And from talking to other clubs we had a pretty good idea that we'd be able to get Gardiner with that pick, but not with whatever our next pick was. Do we take Dawson knowing that we're missing out on Gardiner, who we might well rate higher than Dawson?

Every time we activate an academy selection we miss out on the chance to get someone else we really rate. It's a good dilemma to have, but it's something our recruiting staff will wrestle with.

Yeah, I think you obviously take the clear bargains after bids are laid. However if the bidding system requires you to take an academy player at pretty much where you rated them, it becomes a trickier situation doesn't it. If you really rate the player and they fill a need there, you probably take them because the advantage of a local is probably the tipping point. But if they don't necessarily satisfy a dire need, it would be tempting to let them go for several reasons.

1. Trade week: it isn't great going into trade week with a lot of your best draft picks already spoken for... you could miss out on some opportunities that arise whether that is a player or the chance to upgrade or get more picks as part of multi-club deals. The picks can also help "lubricate" deals for players being traded out as well. Kerr said last year that the go home 5 was also a big factor in us holding on to draft picks for trade week in order to maximise our options.

2. The draft: Sliders! Never know when the next Lewy Taylor is going to fall in your lap.

 

[Football Pope]

There's a potential dilemma with the academy picks.

Let's say we had pick 22, like last year, and Gardiner happened to be in this year's draft pool. And from talking to other clubs we had a pretty good idea that we'd be able to get Gardiner with that pick, but not with whatever our next pick was. Do we take Dawson knowing that we're missing out on Gardiner, who we might well rate higher than Dawson?

Every time we activate an academy selection we miss out on the chance to get someone else we really rate. It's a good dilemma to have, but it's something our recruiting staff will wrestle with.

Father/Son selections as well.......conundrum

 

[Hollow Knight]

Father/Son selections as well.......conundrum

Academy selecions shouldn't limit our ability to get the father/sons we want and vice versa should it?

Same bidding process.

 

[POBT]

But I guess it is no different to the father-son opportunity, just that it comes up more regularly (you'd hope).

I think the difficult thing to factor in is the lack of "go home" risk. What premium do you attach to local products? How far do you "stretch" for a local kid?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yeah, I think you obviously take the clear bargains after bids are laid. However if the bidding system requires you to take an academy player at pretty much where you rated them, it becomes a trickier situation doesn't it. If you really rate the player and they fill a need there, you probably take them because the advantage of a local is probably the tipping point. But if they don't necessarily satisfy a dire need, it would be tempting to let them go for several reasons.

1. Trade week: it isn't great going into trade week with a lot of your best draft picks already spoken for... you could miss out on some opportunities that arise whether that is a player or the chance to upgrade or get more picks as part of multi-club deals. The picks can also help "lubricate" deals for players being traded out as well. Kerr said last year that the go home 5 was also a big factor in us holding on to draft picks for trade week in order to maximise our options.

2. The draft: Sliders! Never know when the next Lewy Taylor is going to fall in your lap.

I forgot to add the other strategic element to this. Just because we want an academy player, doesn't mean we have to nominate them for the bidding process. We can always just let them go through to the draft which in some cases may be the best strategy for keeping our options open in trade week and with potential draft sliders. Could burn you if you aren't careful but I guess it depends on level of interest from other clubs.

 

[Football Pope]

Academy selecions shouldn't limit our ability to get the father/sons we want and vice versa should it?

Same bidding process.

Ok...I need a bit of clarification on this..... Suppose this year there are 2 kids in the Academy we want and another 2 kids, father son (who happen to have both dads involved in coaching/ team selection at different clubs)...all potential guns.. just say we want all 4...How does the bidding process work?

 

[jjami15]

Yep it does kind of ruin a very cunning plan. Bloody Clark screwing us over a second time They do have a few guys they need to re-sign though most particularly Frawley.

On McCartin he would be in the mix as the top pick. Before Twomey decided to start his usual cheerleading campaign with Wright the object of his affection McCartin would probably have been the favourite to go first overall. He is a good forward prospect and if he performs well over the rest of the year I could easily see him going first. He is probably the most natural of the key forward options this year. Wright and Durdin have better physical characteristics and possible upside but McCartin would be a damn good option as well. I would not have Goddard near the other three personally if I was looking for a KPF.

As there is no stand out prospect (yet) and if it stays that way and there is that evenness across the three then I feel that the club should
pick more towards needs with that being McCartin. I know that Goddard with most don't rate as highly but I don't know what it is but I can see him having a big champs and being rated just as high. Wright is someone I hope we personally don't go with. Look at his skin tone! Wouldn't survive up here. But on a serious note I don't think pick 1's should be spent on ruckman, or ruck/forward or forward/rucks.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ok...I need a bit of clarification on this..... Suppose this year there are 2 kids in the Academy we want and another 2 kids, father son (who happen to have both dads involved in coaching/ team selection at different clubs)...all potential guns.. just say we want all 4...How does the bidding process work?

Other clubs bid and if we want the player, we have to match it with our next available selection.

E.g. assume we have picks 8, 26, 44, 62 and 80 in one year.

If the highest bid on Casey Voss is pick 5, he would cost us pick 8 (if we want him). If the highest bid was 9, he would cost us pick 26.

If we are after multiple players (academy or father/son), you always have to match bids with your next highest remaining pick.

So for example, if the hysterically unlikely BigFooty main board hypothetical came true and we had 3 Nick Riewoldts and 2 Michael Vosses available all in the same draft and other clubs bid top 5 picks on all of them, we could claim the entire lot for picks 8, 26, 44, 62 and 80.

All the bidding happens before trade week which is fair, otherwise you'd intentionally trade down your picks in order to get cheaper players.

 

[dlanod]

Ok...I need a bit of clarification on this..... Suppose this year there are 2 kids in the Academy we want and another 2 kids, father son (who happen to have both dads involved in coaching/ team selection at different clubs)...all potential guns.. just say we want all 4...How does the bidding process work?

For a more in-depth explanation:

The best way to think about it is that us and every other club with an academy or father/son pick nominates all those they're interested in.

Then they work their way down the pick order. Whoever has pick 1 is asked if they want to bid it on someone and if so, who. If they don't, then pick 2, then pick 3, etc, until someone says they want to bid on player X.

We then get to choose whether to spend our next draft pick to take that player or not. If we don't, player X is heading to the team that bid on them for that pick. If we do, player X is heading to us for our next pick and the team that bid on them gets to bid on another player with that pick if they want to.

In the case where we have more than one nomination, that next pick in the last paragraph is the next currently unused pick. So if two nominated players get bid on between our first and second picks, we could take one with our second pick and then another with our third, and so on for more players.