List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

[dylan123]

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Rocky in the side, really rate him but the last two matches from the Bullies and the game from GWS shows the value of a really quick team. The amount of smothers that the Bullies got tonight turned that match, I get the idea we are missing a chance by backing Thommo in this finals series. We might beat Sydney, might beat Geelong but we are going to be over run by the other two teams

Dogs have their share of slowish/average paced mids like Bont for example isn't fast at all but he has the skill where it doesn't show.

They've got plenty of outside runners which we built on last off-season, it's just a matter of bringing them into the side.

 

[Maggsy]

Retire : Jenchy, VB, Thompson
Delist : Lowden, Shaw, Grigg, Ramsey
Free Agency : Henderson
Trade : Lyons, CEY, Mackay (for picks 30,45,55)


Go into the draft with picks 15, 30, 45, 52, 55 - Draft midfielders with first two picks, jarman with last and the others one whatever the best available is..

I think our side is pretty well balanced got great prospects back and forward coming through with the likes of Doedee, Dear, ROB, Beech, Wigg, Knight, Greenwood, Keath, Menzel and gore (After our best 22 - which this year proved is VERY good) so we have little to worry about right now..

 

[NTRabbit]

I think we have plenty to worry about. Having a nice depth in middle rung players in our midfield doesn't make up for the lack of A graders after Sloane, and we've seen that several times this year. There's nothing sitting in the SANFL side right now that is going to change that next year either.

 

[Houston]

I think we have plenty to worry about. Having a nice depth in middle rung players in our midfield doesn't make up for the lack of A graders after Sloane, and we've seen that several times this year. There's nothing sitting in the SANFL side right now that is going to change that next year either.

Greenwood could.

 

[NTRabbit]

Greenwood could.

Hasn't given any indication of that at all. He's not even done enough to earn promotion to the main list for 2017. He's very much a 2018/19 prospect, if he ever makes it.

 

[Sanders]

Greenwood could.

You do like the exaggerated grand statement

 

[1970crow]

The pool is the pool is the pool

We wanted to take Himmelberg with our pick 16, but weren't allowed to. We had to take the next best player at 17

Both players make up the 2015 draft pool

Last year was worse with late picks added together snaring first rounders. But this year, and using 29 as an example, you'd be unlucky if it got pushed back any further than about 32. That would require 3 players at the top of our list to be acadamy players and their clubs having chimed in from behind us with their discount and deficit facility and removed those players from the pool.

Do the acadamy clubs need a pick in that round? If it's already been extinguished, can their later picks get bundled? There also seems to be no limit on their overdraft. All I've been able to find is that until it's been paid back they can't select in the next draft.

 

[1970crow]

We didn't get the 16th bite of the cherry, we got the 17th go

GWS jumped the queue and took a bite in front of us.

There is no coherent way to argue we still took the 16th best player

That's true, but in general these events are not cumulative. Assuming no other queue jumping, once it gets to the pick directly after GWS, the next club has the full pool available to them. Obviously, at any one pick, there's likely to be 1 or 2 players removed due to queue jumping, but you'd be bloody unlucky to get to 29 and have 6 players removed, leaving you with an effective pick 35. Some picks in the 2nd round might even have the full pool of players available to them.

 

[1970crow]

He's getting on as well isn't he?

North going for a complete rebuild if true.

North had their crack and failed. Cannot blame them for trying, probably just too many 30+'s limping to the end of this season.

 

[1970crow]

Intriguing that Scharenberg has dropped so far down the list on the back of no 'x-factor' or 'obvious weapons'. Pure footballer, you'd put bank on him playing 200+ quality games.

I certainly don't think the Lyons deal everyone seems to be counting on is actually happening (you don't decide on contracts with rival clubs while you're playing in a finals series) but I'd take that swap.

Our list manager would always be working these angles. He'd have his list of who he's actively shopping, who we'd be prepared to trade if offer was right and who would need board approval to let go. With JL, it would simply be an understanding that if they can agree to terms with him, then their 2nd round will get it done. There's no way that Reid is not engaging in these discussions just because we're still in the finals.

 

[1970crow]

Got to have the cattle. They are every chance to win the flag. To think either GWS or WB will be in the grand final is crazy.

It'll be a fast GF. It won't be a stoppage after stoppage arm wrestle.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hasn't given any indication of that at all. He's not even done enough to earn promotion to the main list for 2017. He's very much a 2018/19 prospect, if he ever makes it.

Then you haven't been watching Greenwoods games mate

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think we have plenty to worry about. Having a nice depth in middle rung players in our midfield doesn't make up for the lack of A graders after Sloane, and we've seen that several times this year. There's nothing sitting in the SANFL side right now that is going to change that next year either.

Again not watching & not understanding the game, player development ......there's plenty to get excited about and if you'd been watching properly, you'd be as excited

Amazing that Milera, Keath, Menzel doesn't excite you? .......you're not a Wigg fan ?

You do realise that one year doesn't equal the next year ? ......otherwise Thommo would never have aged and slowed down, and Lynch & Mcgovern never developed

I would almost guarantee you didn't think McGovern would give us anything this year and would still be playing SANFL and about to be delisted

 

[Murray2503]

The jungle drums are getting louder that Lyons is gone.
This could be one of biggest list turn over years.
Lyons, Jenchy, VB, Shaw, Lowden, Grigg, CEY, Hendo, Thomo.

Sounds good to me, free up salary cap space and get some midfielders! Surely that would free up 1.5 - 2 million which could nett 2 or possibly 3 guns. Then next year go after fyfe or dustin martin on the free agent market. Get it done afc. Feel there will be around 10 players off our list end of year and a needed cleanout. The salary cap space is needed for pay increases to lever, atkins, laird, m crouch, mcgovern etc. Also wigg will come into that team next year, he reminds me of a young Sloaney and has huge upside. Hampton, Doedee, Seedsman, ROB, Dear, Greenwood, Knight, Menzel and Milera have all got potential and will push their claims next year.

 

[lukep]

Is it a concern for Crows fans that Menzel hasn't signed a new contract yet. I am not here to frustrate or stir the pot. I am curious. I thought Menzel would have made your best 22 this year as I was impressed with his efforts at Carlton.

 

[Elite Crow]

Is it a concern for Crows fans that Menzel hasn't signed a new contract yet. I am not here to frustrate or stir the pot. I am curious. I thought Menzel would have made your best 22 this year as I was impressed with his efforts at Carlton.

What are you on about? He signed for 3 or 4 years.

 

[Elite Crow]

Again not watching & not understanding the game, player development ......there's plenty to get excited about and if you'd been watching properly, you'd be as excited

Amazing that Milera, Keath, Menzel doesn't excite you? .......you're not a Wigg fan ?

You do realise that one year doesn't equal the next year ? ......otherwise Thommo would never have aged and slowed down, and Lynch & Mcgovern never developed

I would almost guarantee you didn't think McGovern would give us anything this year and would still be playing SANFL and about to be delisted

Cmon NTRabbit youre not watching or understanding.

We have A graders in the reserves we just choose not to develop them in the AFL.

 

[lukep]

What are you on about? He signed for 3 or 4 years.

Thanks for clarifying... the website I looked at still listed that he hadn't signed. Great news. Think he is going to be a big talent. His defensive side of the game isn't natural and once he figures this out will be a gun

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Intriguing that Scharenberg has dropped so far down the list on the back of no 'x-factor' or 'obvious weapons'. Pure footballer, you'd put bank on him playing 200+ quality games.

I certainly don't think the Lyons deal everyone seems to be counting on is actually happening (you don't decide on contracts with rival clubs while you're playing in a finals series) but I'd take that swap.

Forget the sharenberg obsession - plenty better players than him in this draft , at least 40 and maybe more

 

[Elite Crow]

Thanks for clarifying... the website I looked at still listed that he hadn't signed. Great news. Think he is going to be a big talent. His defensive side of the game isn't natural and once he figures this out will be a gun

If anything the defensive side of his game has been very good. He tackles and chases very well. He's just not consistently getting enough of the ball, having said that concussions haven't helped.

I expect next year he will be playing AFL very well.

 

[Deaneus!]

I've gone over this but, if we ended up having pick 35 we end up having pick 35.

Slow down buddy can you explain that again?

I'd rent a Ferrari just to drop you at the Jag place so you can drive over there to ferry him to the airport.

Do you need a lift to the Ferrari place?

Thanks for clarifying... the website I looked at still listed that he hadn't signed. Great news. Think he is going to be a big talent. His defensive side of the game isn't natural and once he figures this out will be a gun

He's got his defensive side up and running. Look for him round 1 next year.

 

[lukep]

Slow down buddy can you explain that again?

He's got his defensive side up and running. Look for him round 1 next year.

Agreed. Best of luck tonight

 

[GreyCrow]

Retire : Jenchy, VB, Thompson
Delist : Lowden, Shaw, Grigg, Ramsey
Free Agency : Henderson
Trade : Lyons, CEY, Mackay (for picks 30,45,55)


Go into the draft with picks 15, 30, 45, 52, 55 - Draft midfielders with first two picks, jarman with last and the others one whatever the best available is..

I think our side is pretty well balanced got great prospects back and forward coming through with the likes of Doedee, Dear, ROB, Beech, Wigg, Knight, Greenwood, Keath, Menzel and gore (After our best 22 - which this year proved is VERY good) so we have little to worry about right now..

You have putt some thought into this so I wont go over the top. I agree our bottom end talent is looking really good. My concern is if we do as you suggest we are only paddling. The time to strike is now. I think we need a high end midfielder to help us bring it all together now. Your solution , while a good one , is not the optimal one to take advantage now.

 

[GreyCrow]

Pick 29 to us is pick 29 if we give it to someone else.

 

[Cleric]

Bulldogs are the inverse of us, powerful, high talent midfield, but a really pedestrian forward line outside of Stringer, and an ok defence that is better against smalls than talls.

Which is where we're both short of GWS, because they have that high talent on every line, forward, middle, and back.

And the reality is you cant get those types of players unless you get multiple top 10 draft picks year after year.
Getting the odd beauty at pick 44 is the hard way to go about it.