Game Day 2017 National Draft

[TheSierBear]

No he is not. He is certainly available if the deal involves a key position player of similar potential.

Having said that, i'll shop Turnover Adams to other teams first before De Goey name is mentioned.

 

[Scodog10]

Yet we seem to maintain 1 of the largest national identification networks with a P/T manager in every state and about 15 P/T spotters. Seems a reasonable trade off to have more resources at the coal face rather than at the HC.

Is it working? Forget all the noise the only real test of resource allocation is results. Even though I'm still ok with our recruiting work, given the shape of our list, the results have still been mixed.

I'll preempt your response sticking up for the club and point out that we are no longer the benchmark we once were and a desire to be better is healthy!

 

[Johno9911]

Would it be worth just bidding on Ballenden? If brisbane match doesn't matter, but if they see someone like Balta etc still on the boards they may be tempted to let Ballenden go and grab someone else with the pick they have?? Kids got talent and is one of the better KPF's in the draft now with Will choosing cricket, if Brisbane match well then we're just in the same boat we were in anyway, never know if you never ask.

 

[unplugged]

Would it be worth just bidding on Ballenden? If brisbane match doesn't matter, but if they see someone like Balta etc still on the boards they may be tempted to let Ballenden go and grab someone else with the pick they have?? Kids got talent and is one of the better KPF's in the draft now with Will choosing cricket, if Brisbane match well then we're just in the same boat we were in anyway, never know if you never ask.

Most I've seen have had Ballenden rated anywhere between 8 and 19.

There's no point bidding on a player worth approx pick 13 just to make a team match a bid. If they don't match, we simply rip ourselves off... so it does "matter".

 

[Soups]

Would it be worth just bidding on Ballenden? If brisbane match doesn't matter, but if they see someone like Balta etc still on the boards they may be tempted to let Ballenden go and grab someone else with the pick they have?? Kids got talent and is one of the better KPF's in the draft now with Will choosing cricket, if Brisbane match well then we're just in the same boat we were in anyway, never know if you never ask.

He isn't even a KPF, played his best footy at CHB. Moves like a Mac truck. I wouldn't be bidding on him.

 

[jackcass]

Is it working? Forget all the noise the only real test of resource allocation is results. Even though I'm still ok with our recruiting work, given the shape of our list, the results have still been mixed.

I'll preempt your response sticking up for the club and point out that we are no longer the benchmark we once were and a desire to be better is healthy!

I have no idea. From the outside looking in it's clear the recruiting, coaching, and player development in combination have all been below what you'd hope for over recent years, even allowing for any of the obvious mitigating factors. I'd expect the review to clarify that. I'd hope that the review would include recommendations to fix any identified issues be that personnel, structures or resourcing.

 

[TheSierBear]

He isn't even a KPF, played his best footy at CHB. Moves like a Mac truck. I wouldn't be bidding on him.

He looks like a ruckmen to me in the McEvoy mould. McEvoy is close to AA this year btw. Brisbane have Archie Smith coming through but he's no certainty to make it. Brisbane will certainly take him and you'd think another club would bid on him before he gets to Brisbane second pick, GWS will have a looksy, as well as a few others.

 

[adammania9]

I watched Balta play yesterday and he was very poor. Of course that's only one game, but personally he isn't convincing me. I think his best position is centre half-back, rather than a forward.

 

[jackcass]

I watched Balta play yesterday and he was very poor. Of course that's only one game, but personally he isn't convincing me. I think his best position is centre half-back, rather than a forward.

I could live with us taking a KPD to partner McLarty for the next decade if the best KPF's are gone. Dunn, Goldsack and Reid aren't getting any younger. Ideally both would demonstrate Reid's ability to play at either end. Would mean we'd be even more desperate to get a KPF via FA or trade though.

 

[Soups]

I watched Balta play yesterday and he was very poor. Of course that's only one game, but personally he isn't convincing me. I think his best position is centre half-back, rather than a forward.

Which game did you watch?

 

[HFF]

Yet we seem to maintain 1 of the largest national identification networks with a P/T manager in every state and about 15 P/T spotters. Seems a reasonable trade off to have more resources at the coal face rather than at the HC.

And how has that been working out the last 6 years?

 

[adammania9]

Which game did you watch?

Herald Sun Shield semi-final, high school footy

I could live with us taking a KPD to partner McLarty for the next decade if the best KPF's are gone. Dunn, Goldsack and Reid aren't getting any younger. Ideally both would demonstrate Reid's ability to play at either end. Would mean we'd be even more desperate to get a KPF via FA or trade though.

I'll take a KPD but not with a first round pick. 100% needs to be a forward I think.

 

[Soups]

Herald Sun Shield semi-final, high school footy

I'll take a KPD but not with a first round pick. 100% needs to be a forward I think.

Fair enough. Had a best on in the TAC last weekend so that's a shame he didn't dominate school footy. I don't think he's really settled anywhere. You hear people say he's beater suited forward and some say back. Hopefully he grows a few cm's and can go into the ruck at AFL level.

 

[loki04]

Don't think it's the amount of resources available, more so the calibre of our selections or inability to recognise a gem after the first round.


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Our first rounders haven't exactly set the world on fire lately either. Still time for a few of them I know.

 

[loki04]

Date Posted: 19:06 16/07/17 Sun
Author: Cakewalk
Author Host/IP: 61-68-238-75.tpgi.com.au / 61.68.238.75
Subject: Age profile for 2018

• 30+
• Wells
• Dunn
• Goldsack
• Pendlebury
• White
• Varcoe

• 25-29
• Mayne
• Greenwood
• Reid
• Blair
• Keefe
• Howe
• Sidebottom
• Cox
• Sinclair
• Thomas
• Fasolo
• Elliot
• Oxley
• Trealor
• Wills

• 20-25
• Hoskin-Elliot
• Adams
• Crisp
• Schade
• Smith
• Broomhead
• Grundy
• Langdon
• Ramsay
• Scharenberg
• Aish
• Moore
• Degoey
• Phillips
• Maynard
• Crocker
• McCarthy
• Sier
• Brown
• McLarty

• Under 20
• Mackie
• Lynch
• Kirby
• Daicos

Not a lot of great reading in that prime age bracket.

 

[adammania9]

• 25-29
• Mayne
• Greenwood
• Reid
• Blair
• Keefe
• Howe
• Sidebottom
• Cox
• Sinclair
• Thomas
• Fasolo
• Elliot
• Oxley
• Trealor
• Wills

That's pretty embarrassing

 

[Scodog10]

loki04 just to clarify in what regard do you consider it not great reading?

I agree it looks poor, but I think I might be on a slightly different wavelength. From my perspective there's 11 blokes 25+ that are genuine AFL quality. Any list with half a best 22 25+ shouldn't be sitting in the bottom 6. Also all of WHE, Crisp and Adams will turn 25 in 2018 so, IMO, it's 14! The only noticeable flaw is the lack of genuine star power, but no one thinks that's why we've sunk so low is it?

I personally look at that as a sign that there's untapped potential in this group and the FD have dropped the ball. With the correct guidance plus off-season moves (add another KPF into that bracket) and it's a list that's in a position to rise up the ladder whilst the president is talking rebuild!

The biggest issue I foresee is that knowing us we'll attract more fringe players in the 25-29 bracket and trade out one of the quality ones without replacing them.

 

[doppleganger]

Not a lot of great reading in that prime age bracket.

Plenty of highly rated kids in the 20-25 group though.

5 Blue chip quality picks....this is why we are battling, our 'elite' kids seem pretty vanilla and simply aren't producing for us to the level expected of such a high pick. This is why we aren't moving back up the ladder.

• Hoskin-Elliot - pick 4
• Scharenberg - pick 6
• Aish - pick 7
• Moore - pick 9
• Degoey - pick 5

4 more quality picks - a much better return here with Adams n Grundy midfield mainstays, be great if Broomy could blossom.

• Schade - pick 24
• Adams - pick 12
• Broomhead - pick 20
• Grundy - pick 18

5 second round picks that would expect a couple of good players from. Maynard the star here. Ramsay big wraps but injuries look costly, the others are too young to make a judgment on.

• Maynard - pick 30
• Ramsay - pick 38
• Sier - pick 32
• Brown - pick 35
• McLarty - pick 30

Speculative late picks and rookies. Actually done well here. Phillips, Langdon, Smith and Crisp all doing just as well as some of our 'elite' kids.

• Phillips - pick 58
• Langdon - pick 65
• Crocker - pick 65
• McCarthy - rookie elevation
• Smith - rookie elevation
• Crisp - rookie elevation

From those lists we get the most bang for buck out of the late picks...elite kids dont necessarily develop into elite senior AFL players.

 

[loki04]

loki04 just to clarify in what regard do you consider it not great reading?

I agree it looks poor, but I think I might be on a slightly different wavelength. From my perspective there's 11 blokes 25+ that are genuine AFL quality. Any list with half a best 22 25+ shouldn't be sitting in the bottom 6. Also all of WHE, Crisp and Adams will turn 25 in 2018 so, IMO, it's 14! The only noticeable flaw is the lack of genuine star power, but no one thinks that's why we've sunk so low is it?

I personally look at that as a sign that there's untapped potential in this group and the FD have dropped the ball. With the correct guidance plus off-season moves (add another KPF into that bracket) and it's a list that's in a position to rise up the ladder whilst the president is talking rebuild!

The biggest issue I foresee is that knowing us we'll attract more fringe players in the 25-29 bracket and trade out one of the quality ones without replacing them.

Sco if your are 25 + and on an AFL list you should be a clear best 22 player, shouldn't be half filled with VFL players and players about to be delisted.

Also see below there are 3 names there that shouldn't be.

That's pretty embarrassing

Gets worse when you take Elliott, Treloar and Wills out who are 24 and not meant to be in that bracket. The person I quoted from EBnW made a boo boo.

 

[Scodog10]

Sco if your are 25 + and on an AFL list you should be a clear best 22 player, shouldn't be half filled with VFL players and players about to be delisted.

Also see below there are 3 names there that shouldn't be.

Gets worse when you take Elliott, Treloar and Wills out who are 24 and not meant to be in that bracket. The person I quoted from EBnW made a boo boo.

Clubs are allowed to retain depth players. All clubs have them we've got 8-10 and 4 at least will go at seasons end. Non issue, IMO.

What concerns me list wise from the profiling is the lack of 18-22 yo's that are in the top 25% of our list.

The EBnW post said "age profile for 2018" so they were correct on Wills, Treloar and Elliott, but missed WHE, Adams and Crisp. All six were born in 93 so will be 25 in 2018.

 

[THATSGOLD]

• 30+
• Wells
• Dunn
• Goldsack
• Pendlebury
• White
• Varcoe

• 25-29
• Mayne
• Greenwood
• Reid
• Blair
• Keefe
• Howe
• Sidebottom
• Cox
• Sinclair
• Thomas
• Fasolo
• Elliot
• Oxley
• Trealor
• Wills

• 20-25
• Hoskin-Elliot
• Adams
• Crisp
• Schade
• Smith
• Broomhead
• Grundy
• Langdon
• Ramsay
• Scharenberg
• Aish
• Moore
• Degoey
• Phillips
• Maynard
• Crocker
• McCarthy
• Sier
• Brown
• McLarty

• Under 20
• Mackie
• Lynch
• Kirby
• Daicos

Not a lot of great reading in that prime age bracket.

SO.MANY.DELISTINGS.

 

[loki04]

Clubs are allowed to retain depth players. All clubs have them we've got 8-10 and 4 at least will go at seasons end. Non issue, IMO.

What concerns me list wise from the profiling is the lack of 18-22 yo's that are in the top 25% of our list.

The EBnW post said "age profile for 2018" so they were correct on Wills, Treloar and Elliott, but missed WHE, Adams and Crisp. All six were born in 93 so will be 25 in 2018.

Ah true, missed that. Was looking at it for 2017.

Yes all clubs have depth but we have too many imo, but then again the future group does look better.

 

[doppleganger]

What concerns me list wise from the profiling is the lack of 18-22 yo's that are in the top 25% of our list.

This is why we haven't started building again, our highly rated picks simply haven't come on as hoped.

The EBnW post said "age profile for 2018" so they were correct on Wills, Treloar and Elliott, but missed WHE, Adams and Crisp. All six were born in 93 so will be 25 in 2018.

WHE, Adams and Crisp are all born September or later, so it appears said poster is identifying age groups as at the start of the 2018 season.

WHE, Adams and Crisp will be 24 then, Treloar is March so he will be 25.

 

[jackcass]

And how has that been working out the last 6 years?

Identification is only part of the process. Happy for you to convey any inside information that may reflect our identification network isn't working and why, and your sources. Without that, it seems just another anti-anything-Collingwood post from you.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

These are my thoughts when it comes to drafting.

Need a KB? Draft the best KF available.

Need a small defender? Draft the best small forward available.

Need a mid sized defender? Draft the best mid sized forward available.

Forwards in the junior system are forwards for a reason, and that reason is ability.

If a potential draftee needs surgury, you avoid him like the plague unless he's available with a later pick, it's not rocket surgery.