Game Day 2017 National Draft

[jc37]

I'm guessing the argument is that you know Lever will at least be a decent long-term contributor as he has proven ability and untapped potential at AFL level, whereas almost any KPP in the draft is a relatively unknown quantity.

That said I'd much prefer to take the "risk"" and go the draft as Lever isn't the type we really need.

 

[Dynamics]

If we got to pick 5 and both Brander and Naughton were we're still available then I'd be very happy taking whichever one Freo didn't tbh.

Fingers crossed it works out that way on draft day - the one fly in the ointment is that we need Rockliff to either stay put or be traded - I can't see any of the other clubs ahead of us in the draft order losing someone to free agency who might get them a first round pick back in return as compensation.

I'd be happy enough with Naughton if they went for Brander. 194cm elite defender with fantastic marking ability. That fills a need for sure. Shame his kicking isn't a bit better, but it doesn't look "bad" and he ticks every other box.

Has played WAFL at a high level so he could potentially play senior footy in his first year. He's the type of like to see us blood the way the Lions have been blooding their KPPs. Get him and Farty playing together as a unit as much as possible.

 

[ottoman]

I'm guessing the argument is that you know Lever will at least be a decent long-term contributor as he has proven ability and untapped potential at AFL level, whereas almost any KPP in the draft is a relatively unknown quantity.

That said I'd much prefer to take the "risk"" and go the draft as Lever isn't the type we really need.

I fully understand this argument and to an extent agree with it.
But.
I may be wrong here but as far as I am aware Lever is a young guy who has shown some good potential. He is not a proven gun. My worry is that we pay big for potential. Whereas we can get potential for next to nothing in the draft.
I had no problems paying big for Treloar as he is a proven gun. Finished 5th in the Brownlow in his first year with us.
I would be happy with giving Adelaide pick 6 for Lever and that is it. Anything we pay above that is just a waste as Brander or Fogerty or who ever the hell we get at pick 6 could be just as good if not better than him.

 

[Dynamics]

I fully understand this argument and to an extent agree with it.
But.
I may be wrong here but as far as I am aware Lever is a young guy who has shown some good potential. He is not a proven gun. My worry is that we pay big for potential. Whereas we can get potential for next to nothing in the draft.
I had no problems paying big for Treloar as he is a proven gun. Finished 5th in the Brownlow in his first year with us.
I would be happy with giving Adelaide pick 6 for Lever and that is it. Anything we pay above that is just a waste as Brander or Fogerty or who ever the hell we get at pick 6 could be just as good if not better than him.

And even if he fulfills his potential, is that the best return for pick 6? An intercept 3rd defender? Howe is in AA contention in that role and is only 27.

 

[Apex36]

I fully understand this argument and to an extent agree with it.
But.
I may be wrong here but as far as I am aware Lever is a young guy who has shown some good potential. He is not a proven gun. My worry is that we pay big for potential. Whereas we can get potential for next to nothing in the draft.
I had no problems paying big for Treloar as he is a proven gun. Finished 5th in the Brownlow in his first year with us.
I would be happy with giving Adelaide pick 6 for Lever and that is it. Anything we pay above that is just a waste as Brander or Fogerty or who ever the hell we get at pick 6 could be just as good if not better than him.

Nah mate, Lever is proven and a gun, but in the 3rd tall defender/intercept role, and by the numbers he's close to elite in the role. The problem is that he's not proven in the role we'll want him to play, not that he's not proven as a gun player.

 

[ottoman]

Nah mate, Lever is proven and a gun, but in the 3rd tall defender/intercept role, and by the numbers he's close to elite in the role. The problem is that he's not proven in the role we'll want him to play, not that he's not proven as a gun player.

Happy to be corrected Apex.
I don't follow other teams but when all the Lever talk started I had a bit a look at his stats and rankings etc. None of which screamed gun, but were very encouraging for a young player.
Also if he is a proven gun like you say I would have expected to hear him mentioned much more frequently on the various football shows.
But like I said I don't follow other teams so maybe he is a proven gun as you say he is.

 

[Quicky]

I'd be happy enough with Naughton if they went for Brander. 194cm elite defender with fantastic marking ability. That fills a need for sure. Shame his kicking isn't a bit better, but it doesn't look "bad" and he ticks every other box.

Has played WAFL at a high level so he could potentially play senior footy in his first year. He's the type of like to see us blood the way the Lions have been blooding their KPPs. Get him and Farty playing together as a unit as much as possible.

I reckon Naughton's kicking is really bad actually. Up and under. It will get exposed at AFL level. He projects very much as a Johnno Marsh type to me. Which isn't terrible but the same kicking issues will be there.

 

[Dynamics]

I reckon Naughton's kicking is really bad actually. Up and under. It will get exposed at AFL level. He projects very much as a Johnno Marsh type to me. Which isn't terrible but the same kicking issues will be there.

That bad? I'm only going off the highlights and what I've read. Damn.

 

[Soups]

Posted this elsewhere, but...

Very early to be guessing the top 6. I have no doubt it will be completely different by November. I can easily see North taking Brander.

 

[Apex36]

Happy to be corrected Apex.
I don't follow other teams but when all the Lever talk started I had a bit a look at his stats and rankings etc. None of which screamed gun, but were very encouraging for a young player.
Also if he is a proven gun like you say I would have expected to hear him mentioned much more frequently on the various football shows.
But like I said I don't follow other teams so maybe he is a proven gun as you say he is.

He's one of the most talked about players in the Melbourne media this year, the speculation about his contract has been massive.
There's even been some silly calls that he's the real number 1 pick from his draft year (on Footy Classified I think). Now I'm not going to agree with that because I'd still take several player from that draft class ahead of him, but as a tall intercepting defender he's up there with the best. In fact, he's the number 1 intercept defender in the league going by average intercepts per game, ahead of Rance, Hurley, Howe and Langdon.

That list though is exactly why I don't want him. We already have two players in the top 5 league wide when it comes to intercepts, and 4 in the top 25 with Scharenberg and Goldsack. 4 of our back 6 being good to elite interceptors is more than enough. We need some accountable key defenders who can keep a number 1 forward quiet. Dunn has been very good in the role but he's 30 and won't be around forever.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

The top four BA has said seems likely to be the top 4. Can imagine Freo plucking Brander but I wouldn't touch Naughton. I'd rather go Sam Hayes, or ideally if we manage to bring in a tall through FA or trade, Nick Coffield.

 

[Apex36]

The top four BA has said seems likely to be the top 4. Can imagine Freo plucking Brander but I wouldn't touch Naughton. I'd rather go Sam Hayes, or ideally if we manage to bring in a tall through FA or trade, Nick Coffield.

Hayes is a big no from me. More a ruckman than a forward, and would make us too top heavy. A smaller more agile key forward in the 194-198cm range should be our target.

 

[Soups]

Hayes is a big no from me. More a ruckman than a forward, and would make us too top heavy. A smaller more agile key forward in the 194-198cm range should be our target.

Yeah Hayes is a no for me too. If we want to look at a ruckmen I would look at CCJ or Crossley at 36. Both can play ruck and forward.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Hayes is a big no from me. More a ruckman than a forward, and would make us too top heavy. A smaller more agile key forward in the 194-198cm range should be our target.

We need a monster KPF to help Darcy IMO. Hayes has shown he can play either, a good contested grab, covers the ground well, granted he's not going to be winning any agility tests, but he also covers the ruck void and is more readymade than others.

But looking at yesterday's game perhaps the club looks at rotating Grundy forward more than in the past, who knows? Ideally I'd rather pick up Coffield after snaring a KPF through trade/FA.

 

[ottoman]

He's one of the most talked about players in the Melbourne media this year, the speculation about his contract has been massive.
There's even been some silly calls that he's the real number 1 pick from his draft year (on Footy Classified I think). Now I'm not going to agree with that because I'd still take several player from that draft class ahead of him, but as a tall intercepting defender he's up there with the best. In fact, he's the number 1 intercept defender in the league going by average intercepts per game, ahead of Rance, Hurley, Howe and Langdon.

That list though is exactly why I don't want him. We already have two players in the top 5 league wide when it comes to intercepts, and 4 in the top 25 with Scharenberg and Goldsack. 4 of our back 6 being good to elite interceptors is more than enough. We need some accountable key defenders who can keep a number 1 forward quiet. Dunn has been very good in the role but he's 30 and won't be around forever.

I love you Apex, I really do.
When I said I looked at his stats etc, ummmm I didn't
But being the argumentative future Gold Coast living f*ck that you are I knew you would delve into the archives and prepare a brief of evidence proving I am wrong.
Hook line and sinker Apex
Hook line and sinker

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Posted this elsewhere, but...

I'd be rapped taking Brander.

If that's what we get, let's just keep the 6 and roll on with Brander.

Maybe we get further down the draft order say Balta - now that would be a really good draft outcome.

(There's talk on Lever, but pricing? What we would give up etc?)

 

[Apex36]

We need a monster KPF to help Darcy IMO. Hayes has shown he can play either, a good contested grab, covers the ground well, granted he's not going to be winning any agility tests, but he also covers the ruck void and is more readymade than others.

But looking at yesterday's game perhaps the club looks at rotating Grundy forward more than in the past, who knows? Ideally I'd rather pick up Coffield after snaring a KPF through trade/FA.

Tall=/= monster. Hayes to me doesn't look like the type to bully around key defenders with his wiry almost Cox like build. I'd call Fogarty more of a monster than him TBH despite the height difference. I think Brander has the most scope to become that type though. He has the height and potential to become a proper power forward once he fills out in the AFL system.

 

[DrDavoren]

Would love peoples thoughts on who we should be drafting.

In terms of ball users and game changing players, I was looking at players that use the ball well and make good decisions or have other attributes like goal kicking or pace that can help turn games for us, players, again who may be available at our picks could include;
Lochie O'Brien (MID, high chance of already being gone, but could slide), Joel Garner (MID), Isaac Hewson (MID), Aiden Quigley (MID), Marcus Lentini (MID/FWD), Adam Sambono (FWD/MID), Jack Petruccelle (MID)

As a lover of 80's West Indian Cricket would love to have Joel Garner in the team

 

[Apex36]

I love you Apex, I really do.
When I said I looked at his stats etc, ummmm I didn't
But being the argumentative future Gold Coast living f*ck that you are I knew you would delve into the archives and prepare a brief of evidence proving I am wrong.
Hook line and sinker Apex
Hook line and sinker

That hurts Otto. Having a civil discussion about a potential recruit doesn't warrant that kind of abuse.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

As a lover of 80's West Indian Cricket would love to have Joel Garner in the team

This Joel Graner is more Little Bird

Than Big Bird.

Ps the ladies loved THE Joel Garner, swarmed to him like busy bees

 

[DrDavoren]

It would be good if we can get ourselves back into the 2nd round with a pick around the 25 mark.

Even better if someone like a Callum Coleman-Jones was to still be available.

I see Twomey doesn't have him in his top 25.

I'll be happy with any of Brander, Fogarty or Stephenson at pick 6 with Balta as the smokey.

Are the track watchers certain Brander isn't one of these vanilla type key position players like a Nathan Brown?

We need a couple more hyphens that is for sure.

 

[loki04]

I'd be happy enough with Naughton if they went for Brander. 194cm elite defender with fantastic marking ability. That fills a need for sure. Shame his kicking isn't a bit better, but it doesn't look "bad" and he ticks every other box.

Has played WAFL at a high level so he could potentially play senior footy in his first year. He's the type of like to see us blood the way the Lions have been blooding their KPPs. Get him and Farty playing together as a unit as much as possible.

Very average kick. IMo you don't spend pick 6 on these backmen types as more often then not you can get them way down the draft order.

At pick 6 we go the best tall KPF or best talent.

Date Posted: 13:01 31/07/17 Mon
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Subject: Some interesting draft mail from the weekend, Brions no interest in Rayner or LDU
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Tossing up between Paddy Dow or Cerra. There's a curveball and you heard it here first.

 

[loki04]

If we pick Naughton at 5 I will spit it.

 

[Quicky]

That bad? I'm only going off the highlights and what I've read. Damn.

Not as bad as Marsh with his kicking but it lacks a bit. The Marsh comparison was that combo of athletic key back but questionable kicking. You'd want a bit more for pick 6 i'd say.

 

[Apex36]

If we pick Naughton at 5 I will spit it.

If Naughton goes at 5 I'll be thrilled, because it will mean that Freo passed on Brander and we'll get him with 6.