Game Day 2017 National Draft

[DraftBalta]

A lot of the ratings seem to have Coffee around pick 10, it feels like he won't be best available but best fit

I'm torn, we really need a key but if one of the fab 5 falls you couldn't pass that up could you?

 

[loki04]

I think the only place I've got the Similar Player thing from was Knightmare, and it was months ago. This and the positions is something I will hopefully update between now and draft day.

Sounds to me they were struggling for a compare and just went with a medium tall fwd.

Fasolo and Darling are very similar in how they play, Fogarty nothing like the 2.

 

[loki04]

A lot of the ratings seem to have Coffee around pick 10, it feels like he won't be best available but best fit

I'm torn, we really need a key but if one of the fab 5 falls you couldn't pass that up could you?

They had Pendlebury going at pick 16 in his draft year.

Coffield is a similar type.

 

[sr36]

There was a VFL final a few years ago where he was bog in the first half and probably took 7-8 intercepts. Also see the intra club practice match this season where he outmanoeuvred and outmarked Grundy a few times in 1v1 contests. Grundy is not a great forward but he has about 15cm/kg on Schaz so its something to take note of imo

He has fabulous judgment of the fight of the ball and knows how to use his body against bigger opponents. Also reads the game upfield very well which is a big advantage for a zoning defender and also makes up for his lack of pace which is a weakness (although much exaggerated imo).

It may not seem immediately obvious in his few games at senior level since he still has some work to do in the gym to compete effectively against senior players. He has only played 10 games!

I was a doubter of Shaz until the last month of the season where I really thought he showed a lot. I'm now confident that he will make it. I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential to be an intercept marker in the future, his reading of the game and judgement is so good that it could easily be his go in the future, I'm jsut suggesting that it isn't currently a significant feature of his game. At AFL level, I can't even recall him attempting to go third man up or hitting an aerial contest with intent. From the few televised VFL games and highlights that I've watched, I haven't seen it there either. It's not just that I haven't seen him pull down in third man up marks or come over the top with some aggressive spoils, it's that I haven't even seen him attempt it. I don't see intercept marking as a need for us due to Howe, Langdon and whoever plays defence out of Reid and Moore. I just find it hard to understand why so many talk of him as though he currently plays that style of game and further reduces our need. In the debate about whether we should go for Lever, he was regularly compared as though they played the same style of game. I just don't think that that view is based on the reality of how he actually plays.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

A lot of the ratings seem to have Coffee around pick 10, it feels like he won't be best available but best fit

I'm torn, we really need a key but if one of the fab 5 falls you couldn't pass that up could you?

There will be 18 teams with 18 different draft boards. In all likelihood we will pick up someone in our top 4-5 at pick 6. Another club will have the same player rated outside their top 10. It’s a subjective exercise.

 

[jonbe54]

I was a doubter of Shaz until the last month of the season where I really thought he showed a lot. I'm now confident that he will make it. I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential to be an intercept marker in the future, his reading of the game and judgement is so good that it could easily be his go in the future, I'm jsut suggesting that it isn't currently a significant feature of his game. At AFL level, I can't even recall him attempting to go third man up or hitting an aerial contest with intent. From the few televised VFL games and highlights that I've watched, I haven't seen it there either. It's not just that I haven't seen him pull down in third man up marks or come over the top with some aggressive spoils, it's that I haven't even seen him attempt it. I don't see intercept marking as a need for us due to Howe, Langdon and whoever plays defence out of Reid and Moore. I just find it hard to understand why so many talk of him as though he currently plays that style of game and further reduces our need. In the debate about whether we should go for Lever, he was regularly compared as though they played the same style of game. I just don't think that that view is based on the reality of how he actually plays.

However we view him, he would have been taking things at 3/4 rat power this season just passed, wanting to get through an entire season and have a full preseason uninterrupted by injury or surgery again.
Without being privy to inside information I would imagine that would have been the team plan for him at the start of '17 - get through the season, gradually building and get another uninterrupted preseason into himself.

 

[sr36]

There will be 18 teams with 18 different draft boards. In all likelihood we will pick up someone in our top 4-5 at pick 6. Another club will have the same player rated outside their top 10. It’s a subjective exercise.

I don't think you understand how it works. There's a bigfooty consensus draft order based on the 3 or 4 guys who actually watch enough under 18s to have an opinion. This is the real ratings of a player's ability. Draft day is merely about deciding which team won or lost based upon whether they selected players earlier or later than the consensus order.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I don't think you understand how it works. There's a bigfooty consensus draft order based on the 3 or 4 guys who actually watch enough under 18s to have an opinion. This is the real ratings of a player's ability. Draft day is merely about deciding which team won or lost based upon whether they selected players earlier or later than the consensus order.

It was an honest mistake. I would like to subscribe to your mailing list for educational material.

 

[loki04]

I was a doubter of Shaz until the last month of the season where I really thought he showed a lot. I'm now confident that he will make it. I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential to be an intercept marker in the future, his reading of the game and judgement is so good that it could easily be his go in the future, I'm jsut suggesting that it isn't currently a significant feature of his game. At AFL level, I can't even recall him attempting to go third man up or hitting an aerial contest with intent. From the few televised VFL games and highlights that I've watched, I haven't seen it there either. It's not just that I haven't seen him pull down in third man up marks or come over the top with some aggressive spoils, it's that I haven't even seen him attempt it. I don't see intercept marking as a need for us due to Howe, Langdon and whoever plays defence out of Reid and Moore. I just find it hard to understand why so many talk of him as though he currently plays that style of game and further reduces our need. In the debate about whether we should go for Lever, he was regularly compared as though they played the same style of game. I just don't think that that view is based on the reality of how he actually plays.

You are right that Shaz and Lever play different games but the intercepting ability of Schaz is no lessened due to the fact he can win the ball in a 1v1 contest rather then fly in 3rd deep to spoil and "occasionally" mark it.
Schaz tends to get to the right spots early by being very good at reading the play and can often get uncontested marks this way on top of that he is very adept at timing and using his body in a 1v1 contest to mark.
So while his way of getting "intercepts" differ the result is still a pies ball and a oppo turnover.
Schaz is also good at positioning for the sweeper role typically displayed by Hodge (without hodges manic attack on the contest talking the ability to get to position to receive and then set up the kick.)

 

[getgaff]

5 picks completed for the Magpies in the Eagles board Mock Draft, only till end of 4th Round.

In the end i drafted Nick Coffield, Harry Petty, Tyler Keitel, Brent Daniels and Thomas Schmusch in that order.

No bid received for T. Brown

 

[TheSierBear]

5 picks completed for the Magpies in the Eagles board Mock Draft, only till end of 4th Round.

In the end i drafted Nick Coffield, Harry Petty, Tyler Keitel, Brent Daniels and Thomas Schmusch in that order.

No bid received for T. Brown

You better get Tyler in the rookie, any of those KPP's? Any excitement machines? You better have done a good job!

 

[Mongo Ming]

5 picks completed for the Magpies in the Eagles board Mock Draft, only till end of 4th Round.

In the end i drafted Nick Coffield, Harry Petty, Tyler Keitel, Brent Daniels and Thomas Schmusch in that order.

No bid received for T. Brown

Schmusch!!!....



ps. Don't we have to take T.Brown with our last pick now we nom'd him?

 

[soreplums]

I think using 2 second round picks on Aish has really hurt the club. I know is was 3 seasons be ago, however the knock on effect of having to use this year’s second on Hoskin Elliot has left a hole. It seems there will be a number of reasonable key backman around the 20-30 mark.

I think not being able to upgrade pick 38 into a mid 20’s pick may leave us kicking ourselves.

 

[Apex36]

Schmusch!!!....

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ps. Don't we have to take T.Brown with our last pick now we nom'd him?

Yes, but the eagles board don’t have to know that

 

[soreplums]

“Some clubs rate Petty as one of the best tall defenders available at the draft, with his strong overhead presence and good rebound making him a contender to break into the latter stages of the first round or early in the second round when names are called.”

If true, where does that rate Balta and Naughton?

 

[DraftBalta]

5 picks completed for the Magpies in the Eagles board Mock Draft, only till end of 4th Round.

In the end i drafted Nick Coffield, Harry Petty, Tyler Keitel, Brent Daniels and Thomas Schmusch in that order.

No bid received for T. Brown

I was hoping for Bonar Patmore Brown Butts

 

[sr36]

You are right that Shaz and Lever play different games but the intercepting ability of Schaz is no lessened due to the fact he can win the ball in a 1v1 contest rather then fly in 3rd deep to spoil and "occasionally" mark it.
Schaz tends to get to the right spots early by being very good at reading the play and can often get uncontested marks this way on top of that he is very adept at timing and using his body in a 1v1 contest to mark.
So while his way of getting "intercepts" differ the result is still a pies ball and a oppo turnover.
Schaz is also good at positioning for the sweeper role typically displayed by Hodge (without hodges manic attack on the contest talking the ability to get to position to receive and then set up the kick.)

Agree with much of that, particularly the bolded. To me, Hodge or more so Bartel in the latter stages of his career, when he played predominately in defence, is what Shaz should be aiming for.

He's very good at reading the game and getting uncontested intercepts that way. Not sure that I yet rate his one-on-one ability as highly as it sounds like you do.

 

[getgaff]

Schmusch!!!....

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ps. Don't we have to take T.Brown with our last pick now we nom'd him?

Can be rookie’d like Jackson Edwards. Also we only did 4 rounds.

 

[getgaff]

You better get Tyler in the rookie, any of those KPP's? Any excitement machines? You better have done a good job!

Petty and Schmusch are KPD’s, Keitel a mature KPF, Coffield a General Defender (midfield game likened to Pendlebury) and Daniels the small fwd excitement machine.

 

[Mongo Ming]

Can be rookie’d like Jackson Edwards. Also we only did 4 rounds.

Interesting, I didn’t realize that - Cheers

 

[DraftBalta]

Petty and Schmusch are KPD’s, Keitel a mature KPF, Coffield a General Defender (midfield game likened to Pendlebury) and Daniels the small fwd excitement machine.

Desperate for speed, was Farrell in the mix at 56? And did you keep Miller for yourselves?

 

[jdpie]

A lot of the ratings seem to have Coffee around pick 10, it feels like he won't be best available but best fit

I'm torn, we really need a key but if one of the fab 5 falls you couldn't pass that up could you?

Cerra will fall and we could not pass

 

[DraftBalta]

Cerra will fall and we could not pass

The more I read about him the more I get excited, don't want to get my hopes up though, do you have intel? Have we spooked Freo into taking Naughton at 5?

 

[loki04]

Agree with much of that, particularly the bolded. To me, Hodge or more so Bartel in the latter stages of his career, when he played predominately in defence, is what Shaz should be aiming for.

He's very good at reading the game and getting uncontested intercepts that way. Not sure that I yet rate his one-on-one ability as highly as it sounds like you do.

Sorry I was talking about what I have seen from him at VFL level, in time I think it will convert as he gets more experience and builds strength/size/aerobic/familiarity base back up.

 

[DraftBalta]

Pick 5 from the 2014 draft is available but at a massive risk after 2 recos

https://www.zerohanger.com/dogs-delist-injury-hit-defender-16676/