2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[aneale]

I'm largely of the view that Collingwood are wringing every ounce of blood out of this dead horse for as long as they can because they are going to be open to a s**t tonne of criticism for knifing a premiership coach out of fear that North were going to poach Buckley for a coaching gig.

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[Rotayjay]

Well if you believe the rumours about recruiting, i'm not convinced he is.

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Who's rumoured to be calling the shots in recruiting? Eddie?

 

[radiojake]

that music that came in at the end genuinely made me laught

brilliant

 

[Sanders]

I like how you're really trying to reach here and find holes. A bit like a dentist who's short of cash.

We need to ready our list for 2018 and 2019, and it doesn't really matter what year before then we add ready made midfielders. With a single pick at the end of 2016, you could draft a player that will probably be a quality young player with ~40 games by the end of 2018, or you can trade for a midfielder that will be quality in 2018. But if you spend two picks on one quality player for 2018, suddenly you're potentially one ~40 game young gun short. If you can't make the trade in 2016 without spending two picks, you're better off waiting and making similar or more aggressive moves in 2017. The closer you are to the list peaking, the less valuable draft picks become, and it's reasonable to think in 2017 that two first round draftees is worth less to us than in 2016 because a 2017 draftee is unlikely to be ready for 2018.

So in short, our time isn't now, but it isn't in the distant future either. There is no point trading Jenkins for a draft pick, with that draft pick then replacing Jenkins, because the new player won't be ready until after our list peaks. There is no point trading Jenkins for a midfielder as we have draft currency for midfielders. There is a point to trading in a midfielder, but there's no point overpaying several years away from the list peaking.

Funny how desperate the incoherent are to prove themselves consistent in spite of all evidence to the contrary

 

[Sanders]

People carry on about our midfield depth, but the bullies have won again and won a flag with 10 hb flankers

The bullies have a much much much better midfield than us. They don't have a bunch of HB flankers at all

 

[Sanders]

Dalhaus is always listed as a forward in Fantasy games.

so you watch as many games as Vader then?

 

[hey shorty]

The bullies have a much much much better midfield than us. They don't have a bunch of HB flankers at all

They do have a bunch of smallish guys in there too bar Bont. Shows that having big, hulking midfielders isn't as important as some people would have us believe.

Their skill level is ridiculous.

 

[GROTTO]

Just curious if the womens Crows team wins today, does this end the Clubs drought?

I mean if Port pretends to count all their flags since Before Christ, is this our 3rd?

 

[DD#23]

They do have a bunch of smallish guys in there too bar Bont. Shows that having big, hulking midfielders isn't as important as some people would have us believe.

Their skill level is ridiculous.

yeah right, what about Thommo?

 

[DD#23]

Just curious if the womens Crows team wins today, does this end the Clubs drought?

I mean if Port pretends to count all their flags since Before Christ, is this our 3rd?

in my opinion definitely not.

its a club premiership, but it doesn't break the drought.

 

[GROTTO]

in my opinion definitely not.

its a club premiership, but it doesn't break the drought.

I guess akin to our night time flags. Although I did enjoy the one when we beat the Pies in the GF night comp when Carey played a great game that night.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Just curious if the womens Crows team wins today, does this end the Clubs drought?

I mean if Port pretends to count all their flags since Before Christ, is this our 3rd?

You're funny.

 

[Scorpus]

Funny how desperate the incoherent are to prove themselves consistent in spite of all evidence to the contrary

Nice try. Obviously your memory has been failing you because my opinion on the Gibbs deal has not changed at all

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Imagine if we had just 2 of pendle treloar sidey adams

Imo, Adams disposal is dodgy, but 1 of the others would be handy.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not really sure how you are getting to that conclusion. Grundy smashed them in the ruck, which led to Collingwood smashing them in clearances and contested possessions. Collingwood lost and WB won it by efficiency differential in the forward 50, imagine if Collingwood had a decent forward line?

Wasn't Beveridge complains about no 3rd man up because they don't really have a specialised ruckman...

 

[mistylake]

Never said they can't have good games but they don't flat out cause you to win games or make finals, look at Gawn last year and Minson a few years back both absolutely dominated seasons and there opponents & were named All-Australians but their teams didn't even make the finals, whilst statistically good they ultimately failed despite personally having many outstanding games, you're just as good of a chance of making finals without a A grade ruckman as you are with one.

I don't want to repeat myself yet again on this forum but my formula that I always bring up that caused my view point to skew this way, in the last 10 grand finals only two top grade ruckman have won flags -Ottens & Jolly, both never put in particular good games either. Very good midfields make good ruckman look good and very good midfields also make ordinary serviceable triers look very competitive and occasionally world beaters, especially in finals when they even manage to drag them along to become premiership players.

All ruckman are just dependents on the quality and strength of the midfield both rucks more than likely cancel each other out at times in a match so if that's the case that's why someone like a Bulldogs or maybe another forward progressive looking club could do well to go even further away from the traditional ruckman most clubs are still sticking with and look to put someone in there that can find ways to make a more meaningful contribution in another way. They could start by using the starting key position forward (Tippett/ Boyd type) to take centre bounces before going back forward and using an extra midfielder (modern day 190+cm mid like Cripps, Bont ect.) to take the around the ground work, with just the focus of competing in the duel making the taps more ineffective & looking to shark off the opposition tap, these are what's going to happen most times you come up against a Gawn or Sandilands even with a 200cm traditional ruckman so you're not going to lose out whilst looking to gain an even bigger advantage.

Clubs should start looking outside the box and look at ways to be game changers for the future, I see traditional ruckmen like dinosaurs & club's have the ability to bring a meteor down on them with the view that something new and better grows in their place, I know people will have a completely different view and think I'm totally wrong which is fine, I'm anti-ruckmen and proud of it.

What's this Himmelberg kid like.
Or Keith, Hunter?
Do we have someone that fits the bill. ?

 

[Tyls83]

Paul Roos is gonna be unlistenable commentating on Melbourne games, just as he was doing swans games prior to getting the Melbourne job

 

[treeman]

Just tuned into fiveaa to check their coverage for the Port game and they are taking Croc Media's call.
Pretty poor decision by management if that's what they are doing for both Crows and Port games. Even if it's an away only arrangement.

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[CrowsB4hoes]

Historical moment. Powell-Peanut's first free kick against. First of many. I was there.

 

[Tyls83]

Sydney look terrible early... even Dixon has goaled

 

[Tyls83]

Turnbull booed on the big screen

 

[the universal]

Sydney struggling to get it past halfway, seem to enjoy giving Dixon an opportunity to get form.

 

[Swooping Crow]

Swans making Port look good.

 

[Swooping Crow]

Buddy!!!

 

[PrideOf]

Will Hartlett chair off Boak for his 200th?

And will he throw him straight into a rubbish bin at the front of the race?