Play Nice 2018 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

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It is called lobbying. Just because we may not like the argument, doesn't make it misleading or effective.

Get rid of the persecution complex as well. You sound like "hyper sensitive soccer fan." your words, not mine.
Yeah Naaah, I just pointed out that no other sport I am aware of willfully (and publicly) misrepresents the funding and participation data of other codes in order to lobby the government for money

Australian soccer's persecution complex is very much reflected in that behaviour. I don't think football is being persecuted at all. That's a bizarre contortion

And, once again I point this out, I am on a football forum criticising behaviour of Australian soccer on a cross-code thread in response to a moderator linking an article here. I'm not sure if that makes me "hypersensitive" but if it does what words are left for soccer fans coming on to a football forum taking offence to anything that might resemble criticism of soccer?

In summary, Australian soccer lowering its colors again with bad faith behaviour, feeding the beast which is world sports biggest persecution complex
 
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I wonder if these figures take into account that in the suburbs and regions oval fields are generally shared between cricket and football clubs, or that many clubs in regional Victoria/Southern NSW also have attached netball clubs.
 

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I wonder if these figures take into account that in the suburbs and regions oval fields are generally shared between cricket and football clubs, or that many clubs in regional Victoria/Southern NSW also have attached netball clubs.
Probably not.

In these sorts of discussions, without exception, money spent on Carrara or the Sydney Showgrounds, for example, constitutes money spent on Australian Football (with no recognition of AFL contributions).

But if the Victorian Government, for example, spends some $300 mill building a rectangular stadium (with zero contribution from any sport), that is NOT money spent on soccer.
 

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I wonder if these figures take into account that in the suburbs and regions oval fields are generally shared between cricket and football clubs, or that many clubs in regional Victoria/Southern NSW also have attached netball clubs.
I assumed it was primarily for major facilities like Princess Park and the Lions Springfield facility. It is not even clear whether this is something FFA hatched together or whether the government provided it

The community sport infrastructure grant program apparently dolled out about $30M in the first round so that could only be a fraction of what is in that table...

https://www.sportaus.gov.au/grants_and_funding/community_sport_infrastructure_grant_program/feedback

https://www.sportaus.gov.au/grants_...grant_program/successful_grant_recipient_list

Obviously you've heard nothing back from the FFA?
 
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Any chance you can provide more detailed graphics/other info. on the FFA 2018 playing nos. on all their other soccer programs ie school competition players; short term school soccer Phys. Ed & other school short term programs; one -off school Gala Days; & one-off or short term community programs; summer comps.; male & female futsal; what does FFA mean by "social" players; what does FFA mean by "community events and promotional experiences" etc.?

2. The govt./Council GR funding dispute between soccer & AF is starting.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...l/news-story/85e94d5e4ce5d6dbdcfa9afc62e73add
 
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So just going off those numbers football still has higher club participation if miniroos aren’t counted like Auskickers aren’t?
Actual proper organised school competitions numbers would be very interesting to know for all sports. That along with club participation numbers would give a very good insight and be actually meaningful.
 

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Possibly overpaid possibly not.

But I would say that stuff like this would be written into the contract so that they can back themselves.

Hardly a stuff up.

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They clearly overpaid. Fox are just pissed off they paid too much for the rights and now don’t want to have to pay more for something that will not make them anything. It will actually lose them more money on top of the $5mil.
Again that’s no ones problem but Fox’s and it’s BS they are trying to get out of having to pay it
 

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They clearly overpaid. Fox are just pissed off they paid too much for the rights and now don’t want to have to pay more for something that will not make them anything. It will actually lose them more money on top of the $5mil.
Again that’s no ones problem but Fox’s and it’s BS they are trying to get out of having to pay it
Not if they have it written into their contract.

Thats all on the FFA.

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Not if they have it written into their contract.

Thats all on the FFA.

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That they must to have Melbourne in their name? Surely being based in Melbourne is enough.
It’s a technicality that Fox are only bringing up because they are pissed off at their own mistake.
 

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That they must to have Melbourne in their name? Surely being based in Melbourne is enough.
It’s a technicality that Fox are only bringing up because they are pissed off at their own mistake.
That they are based and represent Sydney and Melbourne may have been a part of the contract.
We dont know Macarthurs name yet, they may demand Sydney in it(though personally would prefer Macarthur).

It doesnt matter, if it's in the contract then they obviously planned for any contingency.

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If its written into the contract they didn't stuff up.
Sure, but a team that has its base in Wyndham is definitely a Melbourne team, no matter the marketing fluff about representing those further West as well.

I’m more interested in what this says about the relationship between Fox and the FFA at the moment.
 

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Sure, but a team that has its base in Wyndham is definitely a Melbourne team, no matter the marketing fluff about representing those further West as well.

I’m more interested in what this says about the relationship between Fox and the FFA at the moment.
Considering the FFAs relationship with pretty much everyone is garbage I would say it's not going well.

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That they must to have Melbourne in their name? Surely being based in Melbourne is enough.
It’s a technicality that Fox are only bringing up because they are pissed off at their own mistake.
I guess it depends on the technicality of the wording. Given the team will play most or all of it's home games outside of Melbourne, it may be arguable that it's not based in Melbourne at all.

But you're right about the motivation, I'm sure if ratings were going gangbusters then the money would be handed over in a heartbeat.
 

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Possibly overpaid possibly not.

But I would say that stuff like this would be written into the contract so that they can back themselves.

Hardly a stuff up.

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The contract calls for a Sydney and Melbourne club in the expansion. Saying the Melbourne based club doesn't count because it doesn't have Melbourne in the name sounds like trying to get out on a technicality.

FFA are citing the Western Bulldogs as an example of a clearly Melbourne based team.

They have also directed the club to include Melbourne as frequently and prominently as possible in publications, media etc, so they are not accepting this.

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In fairness, at least the Western Bulldogs is, and has always been, located in what we would view as being Melbourne (the original Footscray City Council actually bordered Melbourne City Council).

But a team to be located outside of present Tarneit, and playing games in Geelong for first two or three seasons??

But yeh, otherwise, agree that Fox is trying to get out of the contract, there have been recent murmurings of this around the traps.
 

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There are a lot of new teams in the minor leagues.

Be interesting to see how the Phoenix(NBL) and Western United go.

i worry about Western United. For a team which is meant to be on the park next year, there are still a lot of question marks regarding its future. And yes, i am talking about its stadium and ownership. It stinks.

Fox are a bit reaching here though.
 

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The contract calls for a Sydney and Melbourne club in the expansion. Saying the Melbourne based club doesn't count because it doesn't have Melbourne in the name sounds like trying to get out on a technicality.

FFA are citing the Western Bulldogs as an example of a clearly Melbourne based team.

They have also directed the club to include Melbourne as frequently and prominently as possible in publications, media etc, so they are not accepting this.

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No doubt. But it's still ridiculous that it was even there in the contract to be made use of.

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So just going off those numbers football still has higher club participation if miniroos aren’t counted like Auskickers aren’t?
Take the miniroos out and the AFL has more club players. Remembering that the 200,000 auskickers arent the 6 week after school special types- they are counted separately - these are the 15 week program types.
 
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