2018 Rolling All Australian Team

[eth-dog]

Well that's not true

I suppose you're referring to McInerney, Cox, McKernan, Lobb, Ceglar? All of these guys are playing majority forward when paired with another ruck.

 

[Burtman]

Got a stat for goals from dubious free kicks or joe the gooses where his team mates AGAIN make him look super

Think he and gunston ( sure know how to milk em) bit like that rubbish dangerfield crap Saturday night

If you think he's a gun good on you
One dimensional player
You win games based on system

Fagans proved it twice

Joe the gooses, my god you’ve had a close up view of the seagulls will Hoskin Elliot and Stephenson and your gonna try throw that around

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Tell that to J.Reiwoldt 2012.

Never should have been AA that year and rightly wasn't selected.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Never should have been AA that year and rightly wasn't selected.

Great, not the point. Point is Coleman isnt insta lock.

 

[00Stinger]

Great, not the point. Point is Coleman isnt insta lock.

No but winning the Coleman easily is

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The only fact I need to know is the Brown is going to be the runaway Coleman medal winner.

I reckon it's a bit early to be saying that. Even assuming no injuries to any of the contenders, there's going to be a lot of teams in that 3-9 range looking to boost their percentage in the final weeks of the season, including Hawkins/Geelong who finish with Freo and Gold Coast in Geelong. If the game is well in hand there, the Cats are going to look to fill their boots, as percentage could easily be the difference between top four and an away Elimination Final.

And even if Brown stays in front, one of the other contenders could easily close the gap to <5 by the end of the home and away rounds, which is the range where players who have had better seasons in other aspects come into consideration for his spot. Absolutely, it's his Coleman and FF spot to lose right now, but there's a lot of football to be played.

 

[TiggerMan22]

I guess you overlooked the part where I specified 'runaway leader'

Yeh hes not a runaway leader. Not missing a game is the only reason it looks like that. Which is also the same reason Rewioldt won the coleman but didnt make AA.
Have a look at averages.

Kennedy 3.09.
McDonald 3.08.
Brown 3.06
Franklin 3.0
Cameron 2.9
Darling 2.83*
Hawkins 2.7
Reiwoldt 2.56*
Bruest/Hogan 2.4.
*taking out game where they are injured at the start

With 5 games left that can change further out of favor for Brown.
Even looking at total goals, he has a 10 goal lead on 2nd place but 5 players 10-11 behind him. 5 games left any of of those can easily bridge that gap.
So yeh not a runaway leader.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Yeah, I'm not really looking at those

Brown and Hogan have played the most games, but quite a few unproductive games. Which means the games missed through injury & suspension by the other key forwards are not as vital in the AA discussions. It kind of balances out.

If you focus on the high scores on the left hand side and scan across to see the number of games >100, >90, >80, they are all remarkably similar.

Hogan's Champion Data scores in these ranges probably look the best, but it's tempered when you look at the teams he scored those against (mostly one-sided thrashings vs struggling teams.)

The key forwards who go nuts over the last 5 rounds will probably get the nod from the AA selectors. It's pretty wide open. Brown and Riewoldt are the front-runners for FF and CHF. But if Franklin, Hawkins, Hogan and Darling have a huge month, then they will be hard to leave out.

I mean it doesnt balance out. Rewioldt and Darling havnt had unproductive games too. If they didnt play most of the game, then it shouldnt be taken into account.

 

[PhatBoy]

If the points don't matter why was there a point system, point leaderboard and then a paragraph about why those points show Hawkins is versatile and all those other things?

Because no one HAS kicked 100 goals. No one has done anything that just says 'there is literally no argument anyone can make that means I can't be excluded from this team.'

So it's worth looking deeper into figures and where everyone sits relative to one another.

 

[TiggerMan22]

No but winning the Coleman easily is

10 goals ahead and played 3 more games then 2nd place. Thats not winning it easily.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Because no one HAS kicked 100 goals. No one has done anything that just says 'there is literally no argument anyone can make that means I can't be excluded from this team.'
So it's worth looking deeper into figures and where everyone sits relative to one another.

Looking at the figures is fine, the rankings system is not.

Why is leading in marks = to leading in goals? Do you think that makes sense?

 

[MadMaxx]

Maybe but more relevant than both yours and mine

But you and I are not professional footy commentators, so the comparison is moot.

And I am a Spud too

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Some obvious trolling from Cats’ fans here.

I’d have Brown as the lock.

Darling has only missed three games. I’d have him at CHF.

Yep, there's some short memories in here. Darling was incredible for the first half of the year, and was being talked about as not only the best forward but the best PLAYER in the comp at the time. Gotta be a lock, even if he turns in a just above-average last month before the finals.

 

[Suma Magic]

Yep, there's some short memories in here. Darling was incredible for the first half of the year, and was being talked about as not only the best forward but the best PLAYER in the comp at the time. Gotta be a lock, even if he turns in a just above-average last month before the finals.

I wouldn't have him as a lock. He was awesome in the first half of the year though.

I think the talls in the AA team are bloody tough to pick this year. I'd have Brown as the only lock of the tall forwards/defenders.

 

[PhatBoy]

Looking at the figures is fine, the rankings system is not.

Why is leading in marks = to leading in goals? Do you think that makes sense?

Not necessarily. But if the goals rankings are relatively even, which they are, then what's wrong with looking at other things?

What made Carey such a great when for much of his career, he had Longmire kicking more goals? Other facets of his game. So I don't really see what's wrong with having a look at how each player stacks up in those areas.

 

[theyellowsash]

Those we're for key forwards only, which actually makes him look even better than just top two in the league in goals per game and score involvements per game.

You're reaching hard to deny Franklin, because he's a "boring, samey" pick, but he deserves to be in on merit this year.

Stats posted earlier had him 5th for combined goals+assists behind brown hawkins breust and reiwoldt (in that order). Unless you think those stats are made up.

 

[Damon_3388]

Stats posted earlier had him 5th for combined goals+assists behind brown hawkins breust and reiwoldt (in that order). Unless you think those stats are made up.

I didn't post those numbers.

Score involvements isn't just goals + goal assists either.

 

[eth-dog]

10 goals ahead and played 3 more games then 2nd place. Thats not winning it easily.

10 more goals with 5 games left is the definition of "run away winner". The fact the others have played slightly less than him is irrelevant. Do you think people will look back in 2 years time and see Brown on 70 goals with the next best on 62 and think "Hmm, he didn't win that easily. Would have been lucky to be AA that year"?

 

[00Stinger]

Yeh hes not a runaway leader. Not missing a game is the only reason it looks like that. Which is also the same reason Rewioldt won the coleman but didnt make AA.
Have a look at averages.

Kennedy 3.09.
McDonald 3.08.
Brown 3.06
Franklin 3.0
Cameron 2.9
Darling 2.83*
Hawkins 2.7
Reiwoldt 2.56*
Bruest/Hogan 2.4.
*taking out game where they are injured at the start

With 5 games left that can change further out of favor for Brown.
Even looking at total goals, he has a 10 goal lead on 2nd place but 5 players 10-11 behind him. 5 games left any of of those can easily bridge that gap.
So yeh not a runaway leader.

You can spin stats anyway you like to back your argument.

Brown has kicked 52 goals and the next closest is Franklin with 42.

So he has kicked 20% more goals than the next closest player on the list. That equals runaway leader atm as I am not disadvantaging the guy for being able to play every game this year

 

[jatz14]

I suppose you're referring to McInerney, Cox, McKernan, Lobb, Ceglar? All of these guys are playing majority forward when paired with another ruck.

That's about the only way you can play 2 rucks these days. Even the Eagles probably had Lycett spend more time forward than onball until NN went down.
Now it will be Vardy.

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[Darkyprotector]

Joe the gooses, my god you’ve had a close up view of the seagulls will Hoskin Elliot and Stephenson and your gonna try throw that around

No but at least some take a contested mark

And some have to earn a free and Breust and gunston dont
Gunstons a bigger diver than rance
5 goals below the knee ( 3 didn't get close) , smart yeah
Good no

Umpires love child both of em
Chat chat

 

[jatz14]

10 more goals with 5 games left is the definition of "run away winner". The fact the others have played slightly less than him is irrelevant. Do you think people will look back in 2 years time and see Brown on 70 goals with the next best on 62 and think "Hmm, he didn't win that easily. Would have been lucky to be AA that year"?

We aren't looking back, we are looking now, trying to judge the forwards that deserve to be in the AA. Absolutely it matters how many games he played.

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[Sonny Hayes]

No but at least some take a contested mark

And some have to earn a free and Breust and gunston dont
Gunstons a bigger diver than rance
5 goals below the knee ( 3 didn't get close) , smart yeah
Good no

Umpires love child both of em
Chat chat

Because everyone knows that contested marks are the most important part of a small forwards game... Btw he has taken the same amount as Will Hoskin Elliot for the year.

Breust is one of the biggest locks in the team, best small forward in the comp this year by far.

 

[TiggerMan22]

You can spin stats anyway you like to back your argument.

Brown has kicked 52 goals and the next closest is Franklin with 42.

So he has kicked 20% more goals than the next closest player on the list. That equals runaway leader atm as I am not disadvantaging the guy for being able to play every game this year

In 3 less games. If you think the AA selectors pick teams based of totals then I just dont know what to say.
Brown has kicked 3.1 a game, Franklin has kicked 3.0.

How is using averages disadvantaging Brown? All it does is level the player field. But instead your disadvantaging any player that missed any games. Nice one.

 

[TiggerMan22]

10 more goals with 5 games left is the definition of "run away winner". The fact the others have played slightly less than him is irrelevant. Do you think people will look back in 2 years time and see Brown on 70 goals with the next best on 62 and think "Hmm, he didn't win that easily. Would have been lucky to be AA that year"?

10 more goals in 3 more games. His average puts him even with Kennedy, McDonald and Franklin.

70 and 62? Just random totals that have nothing to do with anything. At his average he finishes at 67 for one.

Jack kicked 6 more goals than Franklin and 3 more than Hawkins in 2012. Which ones were AA that year?