List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Mega Thread - Pickett is not eligible as F/S or NGA

[Sleezy]

Young is the type of player imo I'm 100% ok with him going to Melbourne

Are you still doing your podcasts Jonts? I need my pre-draft fix, and Macca/Portia are holdin' out on me, man.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Why? At least one is likely to be best available at our first pick

Because we could have just kept the one we had.

Makes no sense as to what we are apparently trying to achieve.

 

[Smithy7]

Not much out there, not of him anyway

Found a bit of Rivers but only 1min or so .. not worth posting.
If anyone wants to watch him in U18 Championships here is 1st Q ... Rivers #35

U18: VICC v WA Q1

Watch the full replay of the first quarter

www.afl.com.au

BEST
Western Australia: Robertson, L. Jackson, Garcia, Rivers, Warner, Pasini
Vic Metro: Worrell, Rowell, Mott, Sturgess, Butler, McAsey

 

[all seeing eye]

Gone thru some footage of various games and I,m really liking the WA lads. Plenty of balanced smooth movers, with traits that match well to current AFL game trends.
Current favourite for me is Jeremy Sharp, good height, nice hands in terms of marking,clean by foot and just a little x factor Also u17 all australian. 18 is around the mark. With12 (assume stephens gone) Ive gone back to Gould, not very sexy, but what more could the kid do, solid as a rock and lethal by foot. Mead is a lock for 29.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Haven't really watched much draft footage this year but from the written descriptions I've read Bianco sounds awful. Wouldn't even want him at 29.

 

[Portsouth]

Wouldn’t mind Jeremy Sharp with our pick 18 if he was still there, needs to add a few things to his game but I feel if we missed out on Stephens it could be a plan B. Good user of the ball, good size and intercept marking ability and seems to be among the goals in most matches.

 

[x_les_x]

He's a much better midfielder than he is a back flanker. I'm not sure whether it was instruction or not, but he definitely played some selfish football in the champs. However, I also thought he played a couple of great games as well.

What we didn't get to see was his midfield ability. He is a solid ball winner but he's more out than in, picking up disposals at will and is a consistent scoreboard threat as a midfielder. 30 & 2, 28 & 2, 26 & 3, 27 & 2. They are huge games. His midfield form at Colts level is exceptional.

He does more team care stuff as a midfielder, is better defensively, is more aware of whats around him, is smarter with his disposal, is smarter with his positioning. Whereas for WA he was basically playing as a loose defender, or almost a Ben Jacobs u18 type role.



No, he's not an inside mid. He's more Ebert or Duursma than Wines or Rockliff. Capable of playing inside, but he's out/in as opposed to in/out. Of those names Atley looks like not making it, Drew still up in the air, SPP on the outer, Rockliff's shoulder is being held together by a pipe cleaner and some chewing gum, Wines may be gone in 12 months. In 2 years at the very least 2 of those players will be out the door, not to mention likely Boak, R Gray and potentially Ebert as well.

I think there is room for another high output midfielder in that young group coming through. Would Rivers be my first choice? No, there's others that I would prefer, but I can see why we are interested and I don't think he would be a bad pick.

Last year I flip flopped on Duursma and talked myself out of liking him after originally rating him highly. I concentrated and harped on the little things and missed all the good he was producing through the second half of the year. I feel i've almost done the same with Rivers this year. First rated him highly (was in my top 10 at the start of the year). Wasn't keen on his Champs (like X) and he dropped well down the list. But the more i've seen of him, the moments that i've gone back and watched, i'm trying not to make the same mistake this year.



Ryley Dunn lol there's a blast from the past.

There are two types of utilities in football.

1) Genuine multi positional players who are capable of playing full time in either of those positions. Brodie Kemp is a genuine utility. Noah Anderson is a genuine utility. Pavlich, Chad Cornes etc are other examples.

2) Those who are not good enough to play full time in any of those positions, but is decent enough to fill a hole or perform a certain role in a side.

To me, those labelling Rivers as a utility are mis-labelling him. He isn't 1 and he isn't 2. He's a genuine midfielder who can play across half back. But then, that describes about 70% of midfielders in the AFL.

I think there difference with Dunn was that he was the poster boy for #2. He played as a small forward, small defender, shutdown defender, tagger, inside midfielder. He had no position and didn't develop because of it (as well as injuries). I don't think Rivers is that sort of player.

Racking up ball is all good and great it shows a player can find the pill even before AFL level its a good sign but what i want to know is Rivers' ball use. We really need a class type player that we hit the jackpot with Rozee this year. IMO were missing a composed dual sided player like a sidebottom/mitchell

 

[Macca19]

Racking up ball is all good and great it shows a player can find the pill even before AFL level its a good sign but what i want to know is Rivers' ball use. We really need a class type player that we hit the jackpot with Rozee this year. IMO were missing a composed dual sided player like a sidebottom/mitchell

His skill level is around Boak level. Decent, but not elite

 

[It Just Is]

I wasn’t a fan of Rivers after the Championships either and to be honest I’m struggling to picture him as a full time midfielder based off that small sample size - although I will take Macca’s word for it. Even so 18 feels wasteful. After drafting 3 1st round midfielders last year, we’ve got priority access to Mead, then Schofield and Jones next year, all seem to be in the frame for a pick from 20-35. Burgoyne the year after might be the best of the lot. Why draft a midfielder in the first round unless they are a blue chip prospect?

I’ve now got everything crossed Gould is going to be pick 18.

 

[It Just Is]

Gone thru some footage of various games and I,m really liking the WA lads. Plenty of balanced smooth movers, with traits that match well to current AFL game trends.
Current favourite for me is Jeremy Sharp, good height, nice hands in terms of marking,clean by foot and just a little x factor Also u17 all australian. 18 is around the mark. With12 (assume stephens gone) Ive gone back to Gould, not very sexy, but what more could the kid do, solid as a rock and lethal by foot. Mead is a lock for 29.

Heaps of draftable players out of WA this year. There’s a few I really like as late picks/rookies like Ben Johnson, Riley Garcia (even after the ACL), Jai Jackson and Trey Ruscoe.

Racking up ball is all good and great it shows a player can find the pill even before AFL level its a good sign but what i want to know is Rivers' ball use. We really need a class type player that we hit the jackpot with Rozee this year. IMO were missing a composed dual sided player like a sidebottom/mitchell

Mead might not be on that level but he’s that type of player. Very classy by foot.

 

[Wines to cripps]

, Riley Garcia (even after the ACL),

Agree on this pick late in the draft. The kid is super trainer would do worst then to draft him later on was tracking to be top 20 imo.

 

[1954]

Fischer McAsey would want to be able to play with a name like that, it's an absolute Barry Crocker, and you have to wonder h t f his parents came up with it.

Having done a fair bit of research for both sides of my family in recent times it harks back to 100 plus years ago when the first born son was often given his mother's, or paternal grandmother's maiden name as their first or middle name, but from a personal point of view I reckon Heyward and Clement had a bit more going for them than Fischer.

The above aside I agree with those who would find it difficult to justify replacing a tall we have put 5 years into with a stringbean 18 yo, who would almost certainly need at least 2 or 3 years at sanfl level to reach the same standard.

 

[VineValerian]

Heaps of draftable players out of WA this year. There’s a few I really like as late picks/rookies like Ben Johnson, Riley Garcia (even after the ACL), Jai Jackson and Trey Ruscoe.

Let's get Jai Jackson and Wylie Buzza on board just for their names.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

A few years ago John Butcher was the only player named John playing in the AFL. Has anyone taken over the honour since?

 

[robbo1981]

If we use 29 on mead then all Our late picks are a waste can see us using them. I think we need to delist a couple more player's if Gray doesn't get a contract then maybe 1. Has Hoff signed a new deal? If not retire him and I don't think Atley will make it either .

 

[PepeSilvia]

A few years ago John Butcher was the only player named John playing in the AFL. Has anyone taken over the honour since?

John Noble

 

[Chizza12]

We almost have to. Losing 3 with none in was idiocy, not getting any to replace them would only compound it. A KPP, a tall outside midfielder, no flankers and no players under 180 cm would be a good draft for me.

I was of the opinion we needed to draft a KPP regardless of losing Frampton and Howard. We had McKenzie and Garner playing as tall backs when they should really be playing as flankers or 3rd tall back at worst. I now think we need a minimum 2 kpps this year. We know through father son/NGA we've got mids coming through so have to stock up on developing talls.

 

[shewho]

After Fremantle use pick 10 and if Henry is still available we should propose this pick swap-

#22 (845 points) for #29, #66 and #67 (total 802 points). In addition we promise not to bid on Henry at #12 or #18.

Even if there is a bid on Henry at #13, the value to Fremantle of that bid coming at #13 instead of #12 is 47 points (after the 20% discount). So the deal is guaranteed to be "points positive" for Fremantle. The value to Fremantle of the proposed trade grows on each pick that goes past with no bid on Henry.

So this pick swap is beneficial to Fremantle and Port. We are then in a great position to get 3 picks in before Mead. If Fremantle say "no" to the swap, we bid on Henry at #12 and they either lose #22 (845 points) and their next pick #58 in order to match us on Henry. Alternatively, they don't match, in which case we get Henry at #12 and I'd love that.

 

[Schulzenfest]

After Fremantle use pick 10 and if Henry is still available we should propose this pick swap-

#22 (845 points) for #29, #66 and #67 (total 802 points). In addition we promise not to bid on Henry at #12 or #18.

Even if there is a bid on Henry at #13, the value to Fremantle of that bid coming at #13 instead of #12 is 47 points (after the 20% discount). So the deal is guaranteed to be "points positive" for Fremantle. The value to Fremantle of the proposed trade grows on each pick that goes past with no bid on Henry.

So this pick swap is beneficial to Fremantle and Port. We are then in a great position to get 3 picks in before Mead. If Fremantle say "no" to the swap, we bid on Henry at #12 and they either lose #22 (845 points) and their next pick #58 in order to match us on Henry. Alternatively, they don't match, in which case we get Henry at #12 and I'd love that.

Okay, but if we trade all our points away how do we get Mead?

 

[shewho]

We still have #68,#71 and #86 (86 points) we get a discount on Mead of 20% and we go into deficit on points next year.

 

[Adz2332]

i wouldnt want to be going into deficit next year seeing it comes off of our first pick. could be a top 4 pick!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Does the 20% discount still only apply to the first round? Could it be higher if Mead is bid on in the second round?

 

[PatientMental]

Does the 20% discount still only apply to the first round? Could it be higher if Mead is bid on in the second round?

20% discount applies for first round bids. IIRC the percentage scales off through each round

 

[Macca19]

i wouldnt want to be going into deficit next year seeing it comes off of our first pick. could be a top 4 pick!

Doesn't work like that thankfully. The deficit comes from the equivalent round that the bid comes. So if Mead last through to the 3rd round and we don't have enough points to cover it, the difference will come from our third round picks from next year

 

[shewho]

i wouldnt want to be going into deficit next year seeing it comes off of our first pick. could be a top 4 pick!

The doom and gloom here is too much. We just missed the 8. These players will be better than they were this year-

Burton
Motlop
Ebert
Hartlett
Rockliff
Marshall
Wines
Butters
Rozee
Duursma
Dixon
Watts
Farrell
Garner
Drew
Lycett
Woodcock
Ladhams
Jonas

We've only lost Ryder, Howard and Frampton. Their sum total of contribution in 2019 was small.

We will be finalists.

Further, by the time we select Mead, Green, Henry and Maginess will have all attracted bids paid for with lower picks and our later picks will have all come down and pay more of Mead.

Does the 20% discount still only apply to the first round? Could it be higher if Mead is bid on in the second round?

I may be wrong but my understanding is that after the first round the F/S discount is fixed at 197 points (the equivalent of #18). So the later Mead goes, the higher (in percentage terms) the discount.