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Sounds far more accurate than our first rounder and a highly rated young midfielder. Lipinski has only just turned 21, has had his best season yet, and has found a consistent spot in our 22. From the Dogs perspective, this is like trading Pick 12 + Pick 20 at least for BruceIt’ll be Bruce for a Dogs player and maybe a late pick or Bruce for a mid/late first round pick.
Bruce is worth a bit to us but probably more to you. A mature key forward who has kicked 50 goals in a season. With better delivery he’d be a better player. That’s what’s killed him at Saints.
I think there's plenty of doubt tbh. Could involve our 2nd + 3rd if Saints plan on on-trading anyway (since that's worth more than our 1st alone, your Pick 5 will be gone for Hill, and you may need other picks to trade for the other targets). Could also involve a player (Wallis, McLean, Gowers, Williams all examples of players who may seek more guaranteed time) plus whatever picks necessary. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it actually did involve our 1st, unless we were getting something significant on the way back.If you want Bruce there's no doubt your 1st will be involved.
It’s been widely reported and we had the VP liking the Post about Carlisle that’s about it.Is this talk actually from the club? I’ve seen articles about it but I seem to have where the club has actually come out and said anything...
Yeah I've got over excited.Yeah it's a pretty good start, and from there the Saints would need to add Billings to even it out a bit.
Just one question - why would you guys be interested in Lipinski if he's worth basically negative value at the trade table? Saints must rate him as a pretty crap player to think he'd be thrown in as such worthless steak knives in a trade, even though he's best 22 in the Dogs midfield
Sounds far more accurate than our first rounder and a highly rated young midfielder. Lipinski has only just turned 21, has had his best season yet, and has found a consistent spot in our 22. From the Dogs perspective, this is like trading Pick 12 + Pick 20 at least for Bruce
As it is, Bruce won't be traded for Pick 12 on its own (if our 1st is involved and it's that low, I can guarantee there's something coming back). In the event that we made prelims (hence a pick 15-18) it would be much closer to straight swapping, but even then I'd think there's still something coming our way (like a later pick swap to our advantage).
He’s contracted and the WB aren’t the only team in the hunt.I think there's plenty of doubt tbh. Could involve our 2nd + 3rd if Saints plan on on-trading anyway (since that's worth more than our 1st alone, your Pick 5 will be gone for Hill, and you may need other picks to trade for the other targets). Could also involve a player (Wallis, McLean, Gowers, Williams all examples of players who may seek more guaranteed time) plus whatever picks necessary. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it actually did involve our 1st, unless we were getting something significant on the way back.
Our 1st + 3rd for Bruce and a future 2nd. Something like that I could see happening, but I think it's more likely to be one of the scenarios above
It’s on good authority that we payed well overs in that trade. (Even though Boyd won us a flag) so why would the club make the same mistake twice?Yeah I've got over excited.
Must have been because you traded your captain Pick 6 and paid $7 m for your last key forward who was nowhere near as good as Bruce
You can have Mitch Wallis if you like. I’d personally drive him to Moorabbin for you. You’re kidding yourself if you’re getting a midfielder who’s playing in this weekends final though.He’s contracted and the WB aren’t the only team in the hunt.
It’s fairly simple you have a first rounder and a very deep midfield, what are you prepared to give for a genuine shot at another flag.
Same mistake twice? Like winning a flag twice?It’s on good authority that we payed well overs in that trade. (Even though Boyd won us a flag) so why would the club make the same mistake twice?
The dogs would happily walk away from the trade if you were asking for one of our best young players.
Boyd is definitely not the trade you want to be comparing with. He was considered a generational talent, was the Pick 1 the year prior, and looked to have another 12+ years of footy ahead of him.Yeah I've got over excited.
Must have been because you traded your captain Pick 6 and paid $7 m for your last key forward who was nowhere near as good as Bruce
Yeah I've got over excited.
Must have been because you traded your captain Pick 6 and paid $7 m for your last key forward who was nowhere near as good as Bruce
Yeah - sorry - my comment on Boyd not warranted.It’s on good authority that we payed well overs in that trade. (Even though Boyd won us a flag) so why would the club make the same mistake twice?
The dogs would happily walk away from the trade if you were asking for one of our best young players.
And Freo are saying the same thing about the Hill tradeIf the Dogs have really made our contracted, number one key forward an "offer he can't refuse", then we will either get their first round pick or the trade does not happen.
We hold all the cards. This isn't a trade that needs to favour both clubs, this is the dogs needing to pay us for what they want.
Which is why we will pay pick 5 for Hill, and the clubs will most likely do an arbitrary late pick swap.And Freo are saying the same thing about the Hill trade
I’m getting bored so let’s wrap this up.You can have Mitch Wallis if you like. I’d personally drive him to Moorabbin for you. You’re kidding yourself if you’re getting a midfielder who’s playing in this weekends final though.
Pretty much except Bruce’s wife hasn’t moved interstate and outside wingman are a dime a dozen.And Freo are saying the same thing about the Hill trade
Wines is the most overrated player in the game.Pick 6 needs to be watered down/broken up into something that nets us Hill and Keath/Jones.
I have always had high hope for Battle as a forward for us and can see him easily being around a 45 goal a year forward.
Would not be the that upset to lose Bruce if it nets us a pick around 15. In saying that though, I would be trying to use that pick and whatever else is needed (Newnes/Steven/Carlisle) to try and land a Crouch/Wines or something similar.
Out:
6
Newnes
Carlisle
Bruce
Steven
Future 2nd (as we never keep that anyway)
In:
Hill
Keath
Tomlinson
Jones
Ryder
Constable
A grade mid in the form of Crouch/Wines
That’s unfair on Fremantle in my opinion. Hill elected to sign the contract and now wants to leave three years after he went home. The deal will need to be in their favour.Pretty much except Bruce’s wife hasn’t moved interstate and outside wingman are a dime a dozen.
Other than that yep Fremantle can and will ask the world and can hold hill to his contract.
Firstly, one player being dropped for another doesn't mean that the one being dropped is worse; do you think Dal Santo or Milne were worse players than Eddy and whatever other scrub Lyon brought in that one time to kick them into gear?
Secondly, trading a player doesn't mean they aren't valued, it means they have value to someone else. If McCartin had ANY semblance of trade value left we'd be offloading him in a heartbeat but he doesn't.
Flanders at 5. Steele sidebottom written all over claasy.That we then could send to Freo for Hill keeping pick 5 intact, or use for other asset.
But Hill is desperate to leave - Bruce is happy to stay at the Saints and we will reward him well if he stays.And Freo are saying the same thing about the Hill trade
Not sure why you come over to argue. Every club board is full of supporters wanting a trade that is heavily in their favour.Sounds far more accurate than our first rounder and a highly rated young midfielder. Lipinski has only just turned 21, has had his best season yet, and has found a consistent spot in our 22. From the Dogs perspective, this is like trading Pick 12 + Pick 20 at least for Bruce
As it is, Bruce won't be traded for Pick 12 on its own (if our 1st is involved and it's that low, I can guarantee there's something coming back). In the event that we made prelims (hence a pick 15-18) it would be much closer to straight swapping, but even then I'd think there's still something coming our way (like a later pick swap to our advantage).