List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[GWS Goose]

Look, I just think if he was waiting for something like that and that he wants to stay he would come out publicly and say it.

It's all over the news everywhere about his contract and not a peep from Cameron or the Giants

We just have to accept that he will be wearing hoops next year. The only reason for the delay is that they are playing finals still.

I love Jezza and it's going to be very very hard to watch

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He may well go.
But these conclusions are way off base.
He definitely hasnt fully committed to us that much is true.
However the assumption that this means he is definitely gone is just guess work. Geelong aren't acting like they have him. They are acting like they want him and think there are a chance.
We are acting like a club that is hoping to keep their man but know it is no certainty.
I guess Cameron doesn't yet know himself and both parties are probably trying to navigate lots of moving parts to make their offer more attractive.

 

[Giant Strides]

My view in similar to GWS Goose - the Cats' message today seemed to be a pitch to Jezza, not a statement of success. But Jezza is obviously tempted to go there, so no guarantee we win the battle for his services. He might be waiting for the final TPP outcome - or even Jye Caldwell's decision to stay or go - to eke out as much as he can in the GWS contract. From the news reports, he does seem a bit motivated by the money he lost this year in the COVID salary cut.

I remain with fingers crossed.

 

[Turbocat]

My view in similar to GWS Goose - the Cats' message today seemed to be a pitch to Jezza, not a statement of success. But Jezza is obviously tempted to go there, so no guarantee we win the battle for his services. He might be waiting for the final TPP outcome - or even Jye Caldwell's decision to stay or go - to eke out as much as he can in the GWS contract. From the news reports, he does seem a bit motivated by the money he lost this year in the COVID salary cut.

I remain with fingers crossed.

I think the Cook interview started with him talking about managers contacting the club..then wanting the club to be a destination club..then rolled into Cameron... To me the stuff about loyalty he was mentioning reminded me of when ablett was staying ..going ...staying.. going... He seems happy enough to stay but maybe another part of him wants a different direction. So who knows. The money he has lost is very unfortunate ..players who had backended contracts have been excessively affected by covid. I suspect in the end if the motivation to leave is not clear cut ..he stays.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Have you guys seen this dated October 6th?

I'm told it's legit.

 

[GWS Goose]

Have you guys seen this dated October 6th?

I'm told it's legit.

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It won't be legit.
Could still happen, but definitely not legit.

 

[PMBangers]

Have you guys seen this dated October 6th?

I'm told it's legit.

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Now I wanna know what our trade with Carlton there is, are they taking another second year player from us?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Now I wanna know what our trade with Carlton there is, are they taking another second year player from us?

I will be stunned if things actually turn out like that!

 

[Colonial]

Now I wanna know what our trade with Carlton there is, are they taking another second year player from us?

It was the Williams move.

 

[PMBangers]

It was the Williams move.

that would make sense, I think I've subconsciously tried to block that out =(

 

[captainMyCaptain]

GWS is considering matching Geelong’s offer for Jeremy Cameron if the key forward exercises his rights as a restricted free agent and nominates the Cats. The Giants believe Cameron wants to stay but is torn on his next move. The Cats have three first round picks and GWS would ask for at least two of these selections if they match Geelong’s bid. Foxfooty.com.au understands Cameron caught up with GWS chief executive Dave Matthews and Channel 7 boss James Warburton on Wednesday in Sydney. The Giants are hopeful of receiving an official answer within days.

Morris: Pies’ multi-year offer to Neville Jetta; high-stakes war for Jeremy Cameron

Morris: Pies’ multi-year offer to defender; high-stakes war for Cameron

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Andre the Giant]

Morris: Pies’ multi-year offer to Neville Jetta; high-stakes war for Jeremy Cameron

Morris: Pies’ multi-year offer to defender; high-stakes war for Cameron

www.foxsports.com.au

If he agreed to go to Geelong we simply have to match purely to get a fair compensation. Getting pick 10 for Jeremy Cameron when Adelaide can potentially get pick 2 for Brad Crouch is complete bollocks.

He is worth as a minimum two 1st round selections which Geelong can afford to give and would give. This plus a mid first rounder for Williams extra 2nd rounder for Corr and probable 2nd rounders for Hately, Caldwell and O’Halloran would give us a lot of currency to start our mini rebuild.

I strongly disagree with pundits bagging this draft, the same idiots bag every draft. There are always gems to be found and the 1st round has enough talent.

 

[Simmofreo]

This is actually huge. Having the Channel 7 executive there is interesting.

They have clearly offered him something. A fishing show, something after footy, or something to top his wage up.

And then having Stevie J in there too.

Very interesting

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[Shadow89]

This is actually huge. Having the Channel 7 executive there is interesting.

They have clearly offered him something. A fishing show, something after footy, or something to top his wage up.

And then having Stevie J in there too.

Very interesting

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I'm sorry, isn't this a massive conflict of interest? What business does the Channel 7 boss have being at a meeting between GWS representatives and Cameron?

 

[GWS Goose]

I'm sorry, isn't this a massive conflict of interest? What business does the Channel 7 boss have being at a meeting between GWS representatives and Cameron?

Wouldn't say it is a conflict of interest. It is a competitive advantage that is probably unfair. But no more unfair than a big Melbourne club selling the big MCG clashes or interstate clubs dealing with the go home factor or a million other inequities that exist.

 

[Shadow89]

Wouldn't say it is a conflict of interest. It is a competitive advantage that is probably unfair. But no more unfair than a big Melbourne club selling the big MCG clashes or interstate clubs dealing with the go home factor or a million other inequities that exist.

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

 

[Giant Gutsache]

I'm sorry, isn't this a massive conflict of interest? What business does the Channel 7 boss have being at a meeting between GWS representatives and Cameron?

The same channel 7 that paid the wages of Dermie when he was playing in Sydney. Sure, it was another era, but it’s not just the AFL that wants a strong national competition to maximise profits.

 

[dlanod]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

I've heard of the head of the Nine Network showing up to player meetings, several of which suddenly started appearing on his network when they joined his club. I've also heard of nice deals handed out by Frank Costa to players who ended up joining Geelong, not to mention Visy sponsorships, and so many other kick backs that players get to head back to Victoria. It's nice for the shoe to be on the other foot for a change, as long as it's all above board with third party deals.

 

[Shadow89]

I've heard of the head of the Nine Network showing up to player meetings, several of which suddenly started appearing on his network when they joined his club. I've also heard of nice deals handed out by Frank Costa to players who ended up joining Geelong, not to mention Visy sponsorships, and so many other kick backs that players get to head back to Victoria. It's nice for the shoe to be on the other foot for a change, as long as it's all above board with third party deals.

Yes but that is after the fact. Once a player is under contract, then there's no conflict of interest as there's no other club competing for their services. I'm sure Coniglio has some form of ambassador role that he's paid for, which I have no issue with. I do however, find it extremely odd for a network executive to attend a meeting and offer other deals to sway a decision.

I don't think this is something you should be defending, as it is not a good look for your club and really gives merit to the whole 'Gil's plastic franchise' notion that has come about in recent times. I've always defended this as paranoia and hysteria, but when it's so blatant like it was today, it really does a disservice to the brand of your club.

 

[gee whiz giant]

but when it's so blatant like it was today, it really does a disservice to the brand of your club.

Get off ya high horse

 

[GWS Goose]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

Yes but that is after the fact. Once a player is under contract, then there's no conflict of interest as there's no other club competing for their services. I'm sure Coniglio has some form of ambassador role that he's paid for, which I have no issue with. I do however, find it extremely odd for a network executive to attend a meeting and offer other deals to sway a decision.

I don't think this is something you should be defending, as it is not a good look for your club and really gives merit to whole 'Gil's plastic franchise' notion that has come about in recent times. I've always defended this as paranoia and hysteria, but when it's so blatant like it was today, it really does a disservice to the brand of your club.

You are joking right?
There is a lot to unwrap here.
Ill start with the obvious. The Collingwood president, more on that later.
Channel 7 Sydney has a legitimate business interest in Jeremy Cameron staying in Sydney. What ever arrangement they make is a commercially beneficial decision for them. There is only 2 teams in town, with limited star power, it is there best interest for that star power to stay here. In the case of Fox or Seven Melbourne keeping a player in Melbourne, is of little or no value to them, therefore unlikely to feel the need to get involved. This makes the deals/promises Eddie makes as part of his benefits of Collingwood via in his position at channel 9 an real issue. He is acting on behalf of Collingwood, not 9, when making these offers.
The Channel 7 executive offering a deal with Cameron is very much akin to the Geelong car yard sponsoring a Geelong player (albeit on a larger scale), all clubs in all codes arrange these meetings prior to signing. 3rd party sponsorships are rightfully or wrongfully part of the overall offering of a club.

The fact the club is so transparent basically makes it clear that this is pretty standard practice and is not at all nefarious.

As for the Gil stuff, channel 7 is not answerable to Gil, in fact, quite the reverse. Seven pay the AFL a bucketload of cash they need, if favours are to be made, it is likely to be going the other way. For instance, for ratings in Sydney, we'd like to make it hard for Cameron to leave do something, not the AFL saying to Channel 7 to do something to make Cameron stay.

Everyone thinks they can just come and grab a Giants player if they want, and every time we resign one or in this case work hard to, the Vics cry foul. Imagine if everytime Selwood, Scarlett or Bartel re-signed everyone blew up that you guys were cheating the cap, using unfair incentives, there must be an ambassadorship etc etc. How about alot of guys just like the club! why cant it just be that.

 

[dlanod]

Yes but that is after the fact.

Nah, you just choose to believe that. A concrete example - Eddie was offering players Nine Network contracts as part of them signing with Collingwood. Jonathan Brown confirmed this a few years back, back when he was considering an offer to join Collingwood.

I don't think this is something you should be defending, as it is not a good look for your club and really gives merit to the whole 'Gil's plastic franchise' notion that has come about in recent times. I've always defended this as paranoia and hysteria, but when it's so blatant like it was today, it really does a disservice to the brand of your club.

I'm devastated that someone who has a vested interest in this thinks the other party is doing something wrong.

 

[Colonial]

Can’t tell you how gutted I am that a vic club things we are being unfair having the boss of ch7 being a part of the discussion. Bout time we used the same tactics as the vflers.

 

[Colonial]

“Fishing with Jezza” coming soon to channel 7


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[Andre the Giant]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

Sounding a bit salty there, if you think television, radio, and print networks aren’t involved in these deals then you are rather ignorant.

What was the first thing that Adam Treloar did when he left GWS and signed for Collingwood? He became a regular in SEN with Marko and Ox and also on AFL 360 as a weekly guest. These things didn’t just happen via serendipity and were perhaps the levers that made him choose Collingwood over Richmond.

If in our negotiation with Cameron we are able to enhance our offer legally via a commercial arrangement with a network we would be negligent not to try to exploit that.

Whether you like it or not GWS is a legitimate football club. It hasn’t had the many years to establish commercial and community support that your club has been afforded and therefore requires more support from the league.

You can throw around terms like “plastic” all you like but the fact is your club benefits commercially in a very significant way from having enhanced television rights. These rights are worth a lot more than what is spent on either of GWS or Gold Coast.

If you want to debate things in a rational way then fine, but if you want to start throwing around arrogance and insults, then toddle off back to the Cattery as that stuff is not welcome here in our house.

 

[SouthernGiant]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

Its a great look if you follow the Giants. Great to see we are pulling out all stops to keep our best players. Really don't care what other supporters think or feel. Too bad so sad!