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List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

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Iva Bigun said:
Hey peeps

our list manager has talked on trade radio about moving up in the draft, the speculation on our board is to get McDonald

some on our board are suggesting pick 5 this year and next years first. I think that’s a massive call. All for a kid that hasn’t played a game but was interested in your thoughts?

Are North even interested in trading pick 2, I can only see it if you were after someone else and was sure you could get them at 5 and then get a free hit at the pointy end of the draft next year

FYI until this discussion we seemed to be into Phillips in a big way.
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The only offer we should be interested in IMO.
 
It seems to be a great get for you guys, likely 2x top 5 picks, I think a few on our board are thinking that we may have some academy talent coming through next year as well as Craig Cameron has mentioned stock piling points. Who knows but it could make for an interesting draft night
 

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Iva Bigun said:
It seems to be a great get for you guys, likely 2x top 5 picks, I think a few on our board are thinking that we may have some academy talent coming through next year as well as Craig Cameron has mentioned stock piling points. Who knows but it could make for an interesting draft night
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Throw Powell in and you’ve got a deal
 
Bend_It_Like_Brown said:
Matt Parker would be good. Fits our age demographic. Bit of Mongrel.
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Maybe I've been burned too many times but I just don't want to see another mid-20s tweener forward offcast in the Royal blue and white. Unless he's into Lionel Richie and kicked 100 at his previous club of course.
 
Iva Bigun said:
It seems to be a great get for you guys, likely 2x top 5 picks, I think a few on our board are thinking that we may have some academy talent coming through next year as well as Craig Cameron has mentioned stock piling points. Who knows but it could make for an interesting draft night
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We’d be crazy not to do that.
 
CharlieMortdecai said:
Maybe I've been burned too many times but I just don't want to see another mid-20s tweener forward offcast in the Royal blue and white. Unless he's into Lionel Richie and kicked 100 at his previous club of course.
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Dont know what happened to him at Saints but liked him at Sth Freo
For nothing I would, worst case he leaves in a year or two
 
Iva Bigun said:
Hey peeps

our list manager has talked on trade radio about moving up in the draft, the speculation on our board is to get McDonald

some on our board are suggesting pick 5 this year and next years first. I think that’s a massive call. All for a kid that hasn’t played a game but was interested in your thoughts?

Are North even interested in trading pick 2, I can only see it if you were after someone else and was sure you could get them at 5 and then get a free hit at the pointy end of the draft next year

FYI until this discussion we seemed to be into Phillips in a big way.
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Everything coming out of the club suggests pick 2 is untouchable. I thought pick 5 was going to be used on Reid to make sure Flanders stays.
 

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How Jaidyn Stephenson went from Rising Star winner to trade candidate
He’s been labled a one-trick pony, but is Jaidyn Stephenson’s contract the main reason he’s on the trade table? Jon Ralph digs deeper into the Rising Star’s fall.
Jon Ralph, 360 VIEW, News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom


November 7, 2020 11:50am

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Jaidyn Stephenson is a victim of his own success in more ways than one.

As the football world surveys a stunning fall from grace that has resulted in him being put on the trade table two years after a Rising Star victory, Pies fans wonder about the forces at play.

The first is that inexplicable form slump that saw a 38-goal forward in his debut season become a reactive “one-trick pony”, as Mick McGuane labelled him.
The second is the fat contract and the bonuses he was able to receive as a result of that glorious year when the No. 6 draft pick was declared a player set to take the competition by storm.

Rival clubs inquiring into Stephenson’s availability have become aware he is owed as much as $500,000 a season at Collingwood in coming years.
He initially signed a two-year extension only weeks into a stellar rookie season that saw him kicking five goals four rounds into that 2018 year.
The Rising Star award would only have boosted that contract, which has him locked away at least until the end of 2022.

So Collingwood isn’t judging Stephenson purely on his capacity to rebound from a torrid third season, they are doing it in the context of paying a player around a million bucks in the next two seasons.

And rivals will have to judge whether he has more strings to his bow than the one they saw this year averaging 9.4 possessions and one goal, with seven of those 14 goals coming in his first three games.

When he burst onto the football landscape he did so with plaudits from some of football’s greatest names that his role as a lead-up forward was only an entree to a sure-fire Michelin Star-worthy career.

Dermott Brereton had seen enough of his junior career to believe he would be an elite wingman saying, “when someone roadblocks you when you are running down the field, he has the ability to sidestep them and be forward of them in the blink of an eye, it’s a major weapon we haven’t even seen yet”.


Pies assistant Robert Harvey, who knows a thing or two about the midfield craft, saw him as a star of the future in that 2018 season.

“I think (midfield) is where he ends up down the track for sure with his running ability, to be able to play on that wing and as he builds strength in his body as well.”

Stephenson was clearly knocked around by his role in last year’s betting saga, then had a miserable pre-season with glandular fever that didn’t allow him to put on the weight which might allow him to stick tackles and break opposition ones.

McGuane, who labelled Stephenson “timid” mid-year, told the Herald Sun on Friday he isn’t sure if he will become the player he was feted to be.

“It might rest with him. In his first year he kicked 38 goals so where is that Jaidyn Stephenson compared to the one we witnessed this year?” he said.

“It’s all about what he stands for. He’s a one-trick pony, a goal-square forward and when he does go up the ground he doesn’t look comfortable.

“He looks rushed and whether that’s a by-product of him thinking about contact with the bigger boys in that area?

“That 2018 form is a distant memory and Jaidyn didn’t live up to expectations this year as a footballer. Collingwood will know if there was a disclaimer or if hublife didn’t agree with him and whether they can reconnect and get the performance they want from him and the simple answer is if they don’t think that they will look for a trade.”
 
Psicosis said:
If we were three years into a rebuild, we wouldn’t have one of the oldest lists in the comp in 2020.
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It’s still 2020 and with the list cuts and the potential moving on of Higgo our list age is pretty young as of right now.

add a bunch of 18 year olds and it’ll get younger again.

we’re further along than is being painted in the media.
 
Collingwood is prepared to pay as much as $100,000 of Adam Treloar’s salary if a trade can be completed
Collingwood is prepared to pay Adam Treloar to play against them next year. But how high will the Magpies go if it means they can get the right deal?

November 7, 2020 12:51pm

Collingwood has told clubs it would be prepared to pay as much as $100,000 of Adam Treloar’s salary as Victorian teams quietly circle the elite Pies midfielder.
St Kilda on Friday ruled itself out as a bidder for Treloar, but Hawthorn and the Western Bulldogs are among the clubs to leave the door open.

Treloar is yet to meet with a rival club despite reports on Friday and those clubs are yet to make any bid for Treloar let alone offer him a contract.

He remains in limbo as the Pies try to find a suitor, with many still non-starters because of a $4.5 million deal over five seasons.

The Herald Sun understands Collingwood had made clear to clubs that it would be prepared to wear as much as $100,000 of that $900,000 average salary over the life of the contract.


Clubs might push for the Pies to pay even more of his salary – even up to $150,000 per year – if they can come up with a trade that also suits Collingwood.

While his contract is back-ended at Collingwood, a new club could restructure it in any way they see fit as long as Treloar was not short-changed.

The Pies had hoped at one stage to trade him to Gold Coast for their No. 5 pick in the belief that Treloar would eventually retire in that city.
While he has made clear he will eventually retire there with partner Kim post-career, he is definitive that he wants to play his career in Victoria.

Paying players who move to rival clubs is far from rare, and Collingwood would do so to get back into a 2020 draft that they believe has star power in the top 10.


The Bulldogs are keen to trade away their No. 14 selection for multiple later selections that would have a bigger points tally to bid on No. 1 overall contender Jamar Ugle-Hagan.

So if they did receive early picks for Josh Dunkley, who they now seem open to trading, securing Treloar would make sense as a direct replacement.

List boss Sam Power said on Friday of Treloar: “You definitely monitor the situation”.

“Given how good a player Adam is and he has been for a long period of time. We love the way he goes about it.

“With Adam and other players who have come up, it’s very difficult to talk about guys who are contracted at other clubs.”

St Kilda list boss James Gallagher told Trade Radio that “I think it’s extremely unlikely anything would happen there”.

“He‘s a terrific player, but everyone is subject to list sizes and cap space and draft capital and all those sorts of things, so the discussion there has raced a long way ahead of any discussion we’ve had with Adam’s management, which hasn’t really progressed at all,” Gallagher said.

“There‘s no point in pursuing (a meeting) or leading anyone on with any false hope, it’s unfair on the player and also from us as a club, we don’t want to be scattergun with this sort of stuff and react to a name that’s in the newspaper.”
 
Collingwood winger Tom Phillips is eyeing a move to Hawthorn 12 months after he rebuffed Geelong’s interest in a trade.

The move with the contracted Phillips would help clear some of the Magpies’ salary cap pressure.

Phillips has an incentive-laden contract at the Pies which could have earned him more than $500,000 this season.

He damaged his hamstring late in the season but the Hawks are likely to swoop on the 24-year-old.

Phillips amassed 664 disposals and kicked 15.8 in the 2018 season when he finished fifth in the Copeland Trophy.

But the emergence of Josh Daicos saw him pushed to half-forward this season, where he failed to make a significant impact with only five goals from 15 games.

At Hawthorn, coach Alastair Clarkson would in effect trade Isaac Smith in for a younger model after the triple premiership star left for Geelong at age 31.

Hawthorn is keen to take its No.4 pick in the draft given five elite kids in the early stages of the top 10, but might have to hand over a second or third-round selection for Phillips.
The Pies’ tight salary cap means they have been forced to make tough decisions on players, including moving on James Aish to Fremantle for purely salary cap-based reasons last year.



Dons’ plan to stop low-ball Saad offer from Blues

Essendon is ready to ask for a future first-round draft pick from Carlton for Adam Saad if the Blues trade-out their top choice to the Lions.

The Herald Sun on Friday revealed Carlton was considering swapping pick No. 8 for No. 18 and No. 19 from Brisbane Lions.

It would mean the Blues could try and low-ball the Bombers with pick No. 18 in a trade for Saad and use No. 19 in the draft.

But the Bombers are unfazed by the potential situation unfolding as Essendon, which has pick No. 7, could strike the same deal with the Lions to shut down the Blues’ move.

It would mean the Bombers have No. 6 and No. 18 and No. 19 in the first round of the draft plus something for Saad.

Essendon would also be happy to pivot entirely and ask for a future first-round pick from Carlton instead of this year’s No. 8.

That way the Bombers would bank on the Blues missing the finals again next season in a bid to land a top-10 pick at the end of 2021.

It would also allow the Bombers to spread their draft riches across two seasons as next year’s talent pool is expected to be a bumper crop.

Speedy defender Saad, 26, is out of contract and has chosen the Blues as his new home.
 

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Only Forwards said:
It’s still 2020 and with the list cuts and the potential moving on of Higgo our list age is pretty young as of right now.

add a bunch of 18 year olds and it’ll get younger again.

we’re further along than is being painted in the media.
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Yes, we are but to say that this is because we’ve already been rebuilding for three years is just incorrect.

Our list at the start of 2021 will be one of the youngest in the comp, it wasn’t 3 months ago.

I agree we are further advanced then the media describe 100%. For example I think we are quite a bit ahead of Adelaide given we have a far better group of u22s then them and nearly as good a draft hand this year. I do think that if our previous list managers were successful in their pursuits of targeting “big fish”, we wouldn’t be in as good a position re that u22 as we are, given it would have meant we would have likely traded first round picks to bring them in (bye bye LDU).
 
Psicosis said:
Everything coming out of the club suggests pick 2 is untouchable. I thought pick 5 was going to be used on Reid to make sure Flanders stays.
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It’s all speculation but the word has been we want Phillips as he knows Rowell and Anderson and geez what a midfield that would

but Cameron’s comments on moving up the draft have the board thinking we are after McDonald, probably as kid with that name would look good in our current strip
 
giantroo said:
Collingwood is prepared to pay as much as $100,000 of Adam Treloar’s salary if a trade can be completed
Collingwood is prepared to pay Adam Treloar to play against them next year. But how high will the Magpies go if it means they can get the right deal?

November 7, 2020 12:51pm

Collingwood has told clubs it would be prepared to pay as much as $100,000 of Adam Treloar’s salary as Victorian teams quietly circle the elite Pies midfielder.
St Kilda on Friday ruled itself out as a bidder for Treloar, but Hawthorn and the Western Bulldogs are among the clubs to leave the door open.

Treloar is yet to meet with a rival club despite reports on Friday and those clubs are yet to make any bid for Treloar let alone offer him a contract.

He remains in limbo as the Pies try to find a suitor, with many still non-starters because of a $4.5 million deal over five seasons.

The Herald Sun understands Collingwood had made clear to clubs that it would be prepared to wear as much as $100,000 of that $900,000 average salary over the life of the contract.


Clubs might push for the Pies to pay even more of his salary – even up to $150,000 per year – if they can come up with a trade that also suits Collingwood.

While his contract is back-ended at Collingwood, a new club could restructure it in any way they see fit as long as Treloar was not short-changed.

The Pies had hoped at one stage to trade him to Gold Coast for their No. 5 pick in the belief that Treloar would eventually retire in that city.
While he has made clear he will eventually retire there with partner Kim post-career, he is definitive that he wants to play his career in Victoria.

Paying players who move to rival clubs is far from rare, and Collingwood would do so to get back into a 2020 draft that they believe has star power in the top 10.


The Bulldogs are keen to trade away their No. 14 selection for multiple later selections that would have a bigger points tally to bid on No. 1 overall contender Jamar Ugle-Hagan.

So if they did receive early picks for Josh Dunkley, who they now seem open to trading, securing Treloar would make sense as a direct replacement.

List boss Sam Power said on Friday of Treloar: “You definitely monitor the situation”.

“Given how good a player Adam is and he has been for a long period of time. We love the way he goes about it.

“With Adam and other players who have come up, it’s very difficult to talk about guys who are contracted at other clubs.”

St Kilda list boss James Gallagher told Trade Radio that “I think it’s extremely unlikely anything would happen there”.

“He‘s a terrific player, but everyone is subject to list sizes and cap space and draft capital and all those sorts of things, so the discussion there has raced a long way ahead of any discussion we’ve had with Adam’s management, which hasn’t really progressed at all,” Gallagher said.

“There‘s no point in pursuing (a meeting) or leading anyone on with any false hope, it’s unfair on the player and also from us as a club, we don’t want to be scattergun with this sort of stuff and react to a name that’s in the newspaper.”
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Pies are ****ing dreaming if they think anyone will pay 800k of treloars contract and for five years
 
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