List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

[Samsquanch]

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Not to quote myself , but I suggest Higgins is gone and two posts later - he out!! No wonder I'm " the acurate one". Just sayin.

UN-****ing-CANNY!

Tell me, what numbers are gonna win the big one on Saturday?

 

[Usayed Givashe]

Are we the only Club that has to sweeten the deal for Salary Dumps?

It should be 28 + 2021 R2 > Stephenson + 16 if we were fair dinkum.

 

[giantroo]

Jaidyn Stephenson

The exciting forward has a decision to make on whether to remain at Collingwood on his existing three-year deal until 2023 or accept a longer-term offer at North Melbourne. The 21-year-old was put on the trade table by the Pies and met with the Roos in recent days. It won't cost the Roos much more than a second-round pick, given they'll be doing the Pies a favour and absorbing a contract that still carries more than $1.5 million. As recently as Wednesday afternoon, a Stephenson move to Arden Street was deemed a 50-50 prospect and it will be one to track closely approaching the Thursday night deadline. – Mitch Cleary

Ben Brown

Melbourne and North Melbourne are still haggling over Brown's value, though the Kangaroos are resigned to only securing picks inside the second round for the marking forward. It's understood a host of players, including Alex Neal-Bullen and Aaron vandenBerg, were offered by the Demons as part of the deal but have been turned down by the Kangaroos. Melbourne has five selections between picks No.28 and 50 and could bundle multiple of those together to strike a deal by tomorrow night's deadline. – Riley Beveridge

 

[The Anvil]

Higgins is cooked. Dropped 3 yards this year....
Why the hurry back to mid-table mediocrity, Snake?
Suck it up for one more year and unleash the 2nd best midfield in our Club's history in 2022.

Pick 1 in the 2021 Draft will be hotly contested, crazy to be aiming for it.

All of Crows, Dons, Hawks, Swans at a minimum will be aiming for it.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Feel like it’s a fairly straight forward one, second rounder for Stephenson

 

[The acurate one]

UN-*******-CANNY!

Tell me, what numbers are gonna win the big one on Saturday?

Thank you and as you asked so nicely. I'd be using our draft pick numbers. 2, 11 , etc. Just sayin the stars are aligning.

 

[The acurate one]

Feel like it’s a fairly straight forward one, second rounder for Stephenson

Where's ya ****en steak knives ???

 

[Psicosis]

Jaidyn Stephenson

The exciting forward has a decision to make on whether to remain at Collingwood on his existing three-year deal until 2023 or accept a longer-term offer at North Melbourne. The 21-year-old was put on the trade table by the Pies and met with the Roos in recent days. It won't cost the Roos much more than a second-round pick, given they'll be doing the Pies a favour and absorbing a contract that still carries more than $1.5 million. As recently as Wednesday afternoon, a Stephenson move to Arden Street was deemed a 50-50 prospect and it will be one to track closely approaching the Thursday night deadline. – Mitch Cleary

Ben Brown

Melbourne and North Melbourne are still haggling over Brown's value, though the Kangaroos are resigned to only securing picks inside the second round for the marking forward. It's understood a host of players, including Alex Neal-Bullen and Aaron vandenBerg, were offered by the Demons as part of the deal but have been turned down by the Kangaroos. Melbourne has five selections between picks No.28 and 50 and could bundle multiple of those together to strike a deal by tomorrow night's deadline. – Riley Beveridge

Ah yes as expected Melbourne thought they were dealing with Cameron Joyce again and tried to offload ANB and Vandenberg.

What a disgrace. Mahoney will learn a lot from this engagement with Clayton and Brady.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

I'm not sold on Stephenson either. The point about his salary is a valid one, I'm always a little nervous bringing players in on big $ when our existing group are trying to squeeze out (and deserving of) a better deal. The problem is, he has the contract at Collingwood so he's not going to take a pay cut to leave.

It means that either:

(1) we take him off their hands and pay him similar (so, the $500k / 5 years looks in the ball park). This should be for a 3rd round pick at best, as taking his contract out is doing them a big favour and helping them dig out of the mess. Why should we do that for them?

(2) the alternative is to contract him for less and make Collingwood pay the difference. This is attractive, but for the downside of having to use a higher pick to get the deal done.

Not sure I'd be pushing hard to do either of these deals, tbh.

500k isn't really 'big money'. Average salary is just under 400k which places him just above average on the scale. Add in a little gravy to entice the move and it's a reasonable offer, especially if it costs us little in draft picks and we have tons of cap space.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

500k isn't really 'big money'. Average salary is just under 400k which places him just above average on the scale. Add in a little gravy to entice the move and it's a reasonable offer, especially if it costs us little in draft picks and we have tons of cap space.

It's pretty much the same deal Melbourne has offered Brown so if it becomes two second rounders then we'll be on it.

 

[Footywizard]

Really hope we snag stephenson...he's exactly what we need and perfect age.

Medium forwards of Curtis taylor, zurhaar, Thomas, stephenson, garner, ziebell

 

[year of the roo]

Essendon will consider potential pick swaps with Collingwood and Geelong in a bid to help unlock deals for Western Bulldogs’ midfielder Josh Dunkley and GWS Giants Jye Caldwell before the trade deadline.

The Bombers have picks No. 6, No. 7 and No. 8 and have discussed swapping one of them for Collingwood’s pick 16 and the Magpies’ future first-round selection.

The deal would mean Essendon would have pick No. 16 to trade to Greater Western Sydney for Caldwell and then multiple first-round picks in this year’s draft and next year’s draft in the talks for Dunkley.


Collingwood star Adam Treloar is also weighing up a move to the kennel but the Bulldogs are yet to commit to the onball jet.

Magpie Jaidyn Stephenson is considering a move to North Melbourne but Tom Phillips is likely to stay put.

The Bulldogs have remained coy about whether they want linebreaker Treloar, 27, and are adamant the Dunkley deal is completely separate despite the likelihood of a straight midfield swap.

The Bulldogs want two first-round picks in exchange for Dunkley, 23, but former Carlton list boss Stephen Silvagni warned that was too much to pay for the clearance winner.

“I’m not too sure they’re going to get two first-round picks for Dunkley,” Silvagni said on Trade Radio on Wednesday.


“I think they will get a really good first-round pick. Whether that is pick No. 6, No. 7 or No. 8, and whether the Bombers are going to have to give up something else as well.”

Sorry, don't let this one get swept under the rug.

That is Hawthorn missing out on another target.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Sorry, don't let this one get swept under the rug.

That is Hawthorn missing out on another target.

Also gives us more ammo for Stephenson, that's a wage they wanted off the books.

 

[shinboner magic]

It's pretty much the same deal Melbourne has offered Brown so if it becomes two second rounders then we'll be on it.

Practically taking woods money.

 

[GreatBradScott]

It might go sideways, but how good is hope for five minutes? Sweet, wonderful hope.

 

[ChoppyGun]

If we get Stephenson to help the Pies then fine.

Ok. Salary dump. I get it.

But if we give a pick below Higgins 30......

.........not happy.

 

[Merlin007]

So dear readers, what does the glorious 12th of November portend? With Aiden Corr and Lachie Young tucked away, the best NMFC list management period in history would finish something like this:

1. the BBB trade gains picks capable of packaging

2. Picks left in the pocket: 2, 11 and 14 (the latter obviously obtained from Bulldogs, by assembling picks and providing them at a discount advantageous to their JUH situation, allowing them to keep whatever first rounders they get from * for Dunkley)

3. Stephenson for a second rounder (possibly next year, depending on 1. and 2.) The Pies situation is too good to miss - with cap space available, we can take on more salary and heavily discount any pick sent back.

4. Jed signs

Job farkin done.

Good effort Brady

 

[Heaps of fun]

It might go sideways, but how good is hope for five minutes? Sweet, wonderful hope.

Even if this Stephenson situation (which I'm very excited by) didn't happen I'd still have hope. We're actually trying to DO something.

 

[ChoppyGun]

We're actually trying to DO something.

Weakening our list?

 

[Luke72]

Quite frankly I think we should only offer to fulfil Collingwood’s commitment to Stephenson. I wouldn’t offer any longer or any more money.

They don’t want him, he has a couple of question marks; does he have the right attitude to make it, does he have the right body shape and courage to play our combative style.

I would offer Jaidyn a fresh start and try to set him up with off field support so he is right for life after footy, and a club that is 100% behind him. He is young enough to make it still but he would want to improve significantly, I wouldn’t want him stuck on the books on a 3 year deal let alone a 5 year deal.

At best I would give the Pies a pick in the late 30’s if we get one in the Brown deal. Their gain is ditching a contract that they believe is overs on a player that they rate less than others they want to keep.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Weakening our list?

Begone Saintly.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Weakening our list?

 

[Psicosis]

I’d chill out the contract term freak out.

Remember how our offer to ZWilliams was way bigger then everyone else’s, but turned out to be less...

 

[Flawed Genius]

Weakening our list?

lol

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

I have an awful feeling about this one. I am a bit of a pessimist, but something just isn't right...