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James_37 said:
Well at present we have one genuine intercepting defender in Doedee, who currently sits in the “injury plagued” basket, for a role which is extremely important in modern day football. Goals are generally scored from 2 key areas, clearance and turnovers. The first part of the turnover is the “intercept”.

There is also the fact we have 1 established key defender on our list, having lost Lever, Hartigan, Otten and Keath in the past 4 seasons and Talia’s probably got 2-3 seasons left tops. We need to be stocking up on young tall defenders and there’s a relatively high fail rate when it comes to young talls so you have to have a relative scatter gun approach, if you end up with too many, you can always trade 1 on.

Ideally, we’d probably be playing Doedee as a “4th tall” type instead of Kelly and playing 3 genuine 190cm+ types, ideally 2 who are mobile and strong interceptors, with one more the shut down type.

Our current KPD stocks:
- Talia
- McAsey
- Worrell
- Butts
- Borlase

Looking at that, I’m quite comfortable with us bringing in another tall defender, especially a more versatile one, such as Murray sounds. Its an area that warrants good depth.
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And when we play teams with only 2 KPFs, we have 4 KPDs playing SANFL.

KPD was the last position I thought we needed depth with the way the game is going.
 
Thetrader15 said:
And when we play teams with only 2 KPFs, we have 4 KPDs playing SANFL.

KPD was the last position I thought we needed depth with the way the game is going.
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Murray and Taylor are not KPD's at AFL level, they're 3rd tall/intercepting markers, Taylor in particular is quick, very athletic and quite capable of locking down on talls or smalls much like he did for the Northern Knights in 2019.
 
Mutineer said:
I think you're a bit carried away with Borlase at this point, he is a good intercepting mark at the lower levels but let's wait and see if that translates to the much faster AFL with James' genuine lack of pace....likely why he was still available to us in the rookie draft.
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McAsey is slower than Borlase, he runs on a spot like McGregor. Borlases pace or lack of it is being overstated imo.
 
Thetrader15 said:
And when we play teams with only 2 KPFs, we have 4 KPDs playing SANFL.
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Then they can work on their versatility against smaller players so we don’t have to drop them when playing against smaller teams.

Reality is, even teams who only run with 2 talls, will generally have 1 or 2 marking medium types, against whom its ideal to play your more versatile taller types anyway.

Thetrader15 said:
KPD was the last position I thought we needed depth with the way the game is going.
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We’re rebuilding, we’re not drafting these guys for depth, we’re drafting them to be 1st 22.

As I mentioned in my 1st post, we currently have 1 established tall defender, who is likely to retire within 2-3 seasons. That’s it. There is currently 1-2 positions in our best 22 that need to be filled from a tall defender perspective, depending on whether we use Doedee as a 3rd tall, or seek to shuffle him into Kelly’s spot and run with a taller backline.

Now as I also mentioned, when drafting talls, you need to take a relative scatter gun approach. Tall’s are generally harder to draft than midfielders, there’s a higher fail rate and they generally take longer to develop. We’re currently in the process of trying to replace our tall defensive unit of the last 5-6 years. That doesn’t happen overnight and you don’t do it by drafting only 2-3 talls, you do it by drafting 5-6, knowing that there’s a fair chance 2-3+ may fail. If ever there’s a time to be drafting tall defenders (and I incorporate key talls and more your 3rd tall types in this) its now.

Back in 2009, we were widely criticised for drafting Daniel Talia in the 1st round, along with Sam Shaw and Luke Thompson in later rounds. At this stage though we had KPD types coming out of every orifice, we had Rutten, Bock, Stevens as established players, whilst having just drafted Phil Davis the year before and Andy Otten the year before that. We also had James Sellar and Shaun McKernan on the list whom, Sellar especially, were also looking at trying to fill KPD posts. 2-3 years later, Bock’s gone to the GC, Davis to GWS, Stevens, Sellar’s been delisted, Shaw can’t get on the park, Rutten’s on his last legs and McKernan/Thompson are borderline prospects at best. Things change quickly.

Mutineer also makes a good point, that we’re not purely talking about 5-6 Daniel Talias/Ben Ruttens, if we’re doing this right, a few of them of the more versatile/athletic type, able to stand on the KPF beasts if necessary(but not their primary role), but also able to stand a small forward and anywhere in between. This is where Worrell comes in, this is where someone like Murray might come in.
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
Ideally we would be playing Worell as a 3rd tall utility type, with Doedee as 4th tall defender.

Cats play a very tall backline which works well.
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Agreed, this is how I ideally see us moving in the longer term. 1 or 2 genuine KPD beasts, the rest more in the ~188-193cm and versatile basket.

In 3 years, I see our defense looking something like:
B: McPherson - Borlase/Butts - Doedee
HB: Hamill - McAsey - Worrell(or a similar type)

With Milera +/- a couple of others also rotating through.
 
CrowCro said:
McAsey is slower than Borlase, he runs on a spot like McGregor. Borlases pace or lack of it is being overstated imo.
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Nope, McAsey has Borlase covered 3.21. McAsey>>>Borlase speed wise
 
Mutineer said:
Murray and Taylor are not KPD's at AFL level, they're 3rd tall/intercepting markers, Taylor in particular is quick, very athletic and quite capable of locking down on talls or smalls much like he did for the Northern Knights in 2019.
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Interesting competition for a 3rd tall role with Butts ....at 198cm can you ever see Butts having the strength to play as a KPD at AFL level ?

Would be a huge outcome if he could ....was too easily pushed off the ball this year
 
Not sure we've addressed the speed component of the list just yet ....we've added two key components though, Height and Competitiveness ......I mean these two aspects have been a big tick

The difference Betts & his pace made to our forward line when he first joined, cannot be underestimated .....nor the impact of McAdam this year

It's the final component to be added ....possibly losing Stengle will be a hurdle

Inside the rebuild: All the strategy and plans behind North Melbourne’s brutal list cull

Presented with football’s version of a blank canvas, North Melbourne filled its palette with vibrant colours.

“Speed, run and excitement,” list manager Glenn Luff told the Sunday Herald Sun.

“That was at the top of the list of our strategy. It was pretty obvious we had to address those areas.”

In fact, fellow new Roos Jaidyn Stephenson, Atu Bosenavulagi, Lachie Young and Connor Menadue all come with a sharp set of wheels.

Young proved difficult to scout because the Bulldogs, blessed with an abundance of halfback weapons, played their rookie on a wing in scratch matches. But it was more about his attributes (than position),” Luff said
Clearly he’s an elite runner and we really like his kick and his size

We had an age profile that was in the top five of the competition,” Luff said.

“We had the most 26-29-year-olds in the competition.

“That’s when players are in their prime, and so when you finish 17th it became clear that wasn’t stacking up.

The bloodshed was brutal. The axe fell on 11 players the day after the Round 18 loss to West Coast, and Ed Vickers-Willis eventually made it an even dozen.

Analyst Kane Cornes mocked the Kangaroos, saying they would struggle to field a Round 1 team next year.

But ultimately their exodus wasn’t far from the rest. Brisbane and Collingwood farewelled 13 players, only one fewer than the Roos.

In 2021 the Kangaroos will boast the most players aged 23 or younger. Quantity doesn’t equal quality, but Luff is confident they have both.
Seven of those joeys are first-round picks – Davies-Uniacke (No.4), Simpkin (No.12), Aiden Bonar (No.11), Thomas (No.8), Stephenson (No.6) and 2020 additions Phillips (No.3) and Powell (No.13)

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WaynesWorld19 said:
Not sure we've addressed the speed component of the list just yet ....we've added two key components though, Height and Competitiveness ......I mean these two aspects have been a big tick

The difference Betts & his pace made to our forward line when he first joined, cannot be underestimated .....nor the impact of McAdam this year

It's the final component to be added ....possibly losing Stengle will be a hurdle

Inside the rebuild: All the strategy and plans behind North Melbourne’s brutal list cull

Presented with football’s version of a blank canvas, North Melbourne filled its palette with vibrant colours.

“Speed, run and excitement,” list manager Glenn Luff told the Sunday Herald Sun.

“That was at the top of the list of our strategy. It was pretty obvious we had to address those areas.”

In fact, fellow new Roos Jaidyn Stephenson, Atu Bosenavulagi, Lachie Young and Connor Menadue all come with a sharp set of wheels.

Young proved difficult to scout because the Bulldogs, blessed with an abundance of halfback weapons, played their rookie on a wing in scratch matches. But it was more about his attributes (than position),” Luff said
Clearly he’s an elite runner and we really like his kick and his size

We had an age profile that was in the top five of the competition,” Luff said.

“We had the most 26-29-year-olds in the competition.

“That’s when players are in their prime, and so when you finish 17th it became clear that wasn’t stacking up.

The bloodshed was brutal. The axe fell on 11 players the day after the Round 18 loss to West Coast, and Ed Vickers-Willis eventually made it an even dozen.

Analyst Kane Cornes mocked the Kangaroos, saying they would struggle to field a Round 1 team next year.

But ultimately their exodus wasn’t far from the rest. Brisbane and Collingwood farewelled 13 players, only one fewer than the Roos.

In 2021 the Kangaroos will boast the most players aged 23 or younger. Quantity doesn’t equal quality, but Luff is confident they have both.
Seven of those joeys are first-round picks – Davies-Uniacke (No.4), Simpkin (No.12), Aiden Bonar (No.11), Thomas (No.8), Stephenson (No.6) and 2020 additions Phillips (No.3) and Powell (No.13)

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****en lol

Analyst Kane Cornes mocked the Kangaroos
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
Interesting competition for a 3rd tall role with Butts ....at 198cm can you ever see Butts having the strength to play as a KPD at AFL level ?

Would be a huge outcome if he could ....was too easily pushed off the ball this year
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His father was built like a brick s***t-house, and he is filling out that way now, as I can see. So, maybe he can.
 
SaltPeter said:
fu**en lol

Analyst Kane Cornes mocked the Kangaroos
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Calling him an analyst is an insult to all analysts.
 
Mutineer said:
Nope, McAsey has Borlase covered 3.21. McAsey>>>Borlase speed wise
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Frankly, what most concerned me watching McAsey this year is that he seemed to have zero ability to recover from an initial effort. I'm not referring to fitness, per se, just a lack of recovery. For example, after dropping a marking attempt, he seemed unable to move and get into the next phase.
 

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BRL121 said:
Frankly, what most concerned me watching McAsey this year is that he seemed to have zero ability to recover from an initial effort. I'm not referring to fitness, per se, just a lack of recovery. For example, after dropping a marking attempt, he seemed unable to move and get into the next phase.
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Better recovery / speed will come with 2-3 PS campaigns ......shortened PS last season, Dec Draft & huge gap between R1 and R2 ....for a draftee, that's bad
 
BronCrow said:
Pretty sure Wanganeen is not eligible for us as he is from Glenelg's metro zone, not their country zone.
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You might be right, but he had played for us.

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BronCrow said:
Thought so, thanks for clearing that up.

On an unrelated matter, can anyone give me a good reason why we, and Port, don't get access to indigenous players in the metro area as NGA's when every other club does?
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BronCrow said:
Thought so, thanks for clearing that up.

On an unrelated matter, can anyone give me a good reason why we, and Port, don't get access to indigenous players in the metro area as NGA's when every other club does?
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Pretty sure I read somewhere that will no longer happen with the new rules around indigenous NGA's?
 

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