List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

Delisted;
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Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

- Link
6. Sebastian Ross

6

Sebastian Ross

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.3

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

12.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

2.1

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
15. Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder

18

Patrick Ryder

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.3

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

21.8

5star

D

4.4

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.2

2star

HO

3.0

5star

- Link
24. James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
38. Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link
42. Max Heath

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

- Link
45. Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[prophetic1]

He didn't get a chance to be consistent? Based on what? He played 17 games in his first year.


Probably could get rid of 12 without blinking.

I thought his first year was good making the step upo etc ....I thgink owing to injury and a few other things he never got the opportunity or grace to establish himself again!.. That is what I find strange...he showed enough to be given the grace to prove himself through another year

 

[George]

I thought his first year was good making the step upo etc ....I thgink owing to injury and a few other things he never got the opportunity or grace to establish himself again!..

Exactly...

 

[AirWinmar]

He didn't get a chance to be consistent? Based on what? He played 17 games in his first year.


Probably could get rid of 12 without blinking.

And many good games in that 17 games being he was 3rd in our goal kicking that year. Anyway i think we should move on. Some loved him and rated him. Some didn't and are happy he is no longer on the list.

Hope he gets a good run at Richmond (insert throwing up gif) and plays some good footy. I don't think anyone can disagree, he is great to watch when on

 

[prophetic1]

Exactly...

Last thing I'll say...one would imagine a prudent list manager would have identified that and ear marked him for another year as what he showed was sufficient to warrant that....now the Tigers have seen what we didnt....I think that his time with us would have caught their eye more than anything he did in the WAFL since!

 

[George]

And many good games in that 17 games being he was 3rd in our goal kicking that year. Anyway i think we should move on. Some loved him and rated him. Some didn't and are happy he is no longer on the list.

Hope he gets a good run at Richmond (insert throwing up gif) and plays some good footy. I don't think anyone can disagree, he is great to watch when on

He played well early in 2019 at home against the Crows, Round 1 against Gold Coast he was pretty good too. I don't really have that much invested in him either way. 17 games in 2019 was reason enough to keep him on for 2020 but 2020 he played 2 games, injured during the year and there were others that had gone ahead of him like Butler for example. 19 games and I'd probably say 3-4 of them were good. Probably a stretch if it's anywhere near half of the 19.

 

[George]

Last thing I'll say...one would imagine a prudent list manager would have identified that and ear marked him for another year as what he showed was sufficient to warrant that....now the Tigers have seen what we didnt....I think that his time with us would have caught their eye more than anything he did in the WAFL since!

But we saw what every other club didn't when we selected him in the first place. He was a mature age recruit. He's a good fella and has a great story behind how he changed his life around for his family which is all commendable but again there's a multitude of reasons why he didn't kick on. Some of it is his own form. I said before I think he'll play well at Richmond but that's because of Richmond's system and the fact he is playing in a good side so most of his weaknesses can be covered by the good players around him.

 

[Jay Beast]

Cannot help wondering how much the cuts to the footy dept from Covid have affected our abilty to develop our young talent.

Our players seem to go backward rather than step up a level.

Have genuine concern on our ability to develop players.

Someone correct me please.

 

[George]

Cannot help wondering how much the cuts to the footy dept from Covid have affected our abilty to develop our young talent.

Our players seem to go backward rather than step up a level.

Have genuine concern on our ability to develop players.

Someone correct me please.

Been going on longer than COVID unfortunately. Nick Riewoldt in 2014 was the last player that we had drafted that made the AA team for example.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

I think Wood joined when everyone returned in January.

Yeah he trained with us but I’m pretty sure we didn’t officially sign him until later. When he got four goals in the pre season for north I got intrigued. My guess is we were trying to get a Mitch Wallis/Hayley Fritsch/Robbie gray type mid sized forward and it didn’t work.

 

[prophetic1]

But we saw what every other club didn't when we selected him in the first place. He was a mature age recruit. He's a good fella and has a great story behind how he changed his life around for his family which is all commendable but again there's a multitude of reasons why he didn't kick on. Some of it is his own form. I said before I think he'll play well at Richmond but that's because of Richmond's system and the fact he is playing in a good side so most of his weaknesses can be covered by the good players around him.

Anyway, done and DUSTYED now!

 

[tomjoad]

Please guy this is not a troll post but looking at that list how did parker get delisted considering the amount of good wishes for the guy coming from St Kilda supporters on our board. Was there issue's with him and coaching staff or leadership group ?

No one knows to be honest. Some of our guys coming off your board have brought the "didn't get on well with others" speculation with them. The only thing ever mentioned here was that he tended to do his warm-up's alone
Most of us were either baffled, or pissed that he got delisted. Considering the lumps we've brought in it seems even more daft.

 

[tomjoad]

Last thing I'll say...one would imagine a prudent list manager would have identified that and ear marked him for another year as what he showed was sufficient to warrant that....now the Tigers have seen what we didnt....I think that his time with us would have caught their eye more than anything he did in the WAFL since!

He's been pretty good in the WAFL by all accounts.

 

[Diehard Saint]

He didn't even have to be very consistent. At least 3 good games out of every 10 would've been nice.

I think his reputation has grown in his absence.

 

[THE_GUN]

Think you might be overrating Parker's career at St.Kilda. He's a good pressure forward that is a good size. He will probably do a lot better in a side that can cover for his deficiencies. Players around him can make up for his inconsistency and playing in a good side will probably help him too.

I really dont know much about him except maybe 4-5 games i watched that he played in but didnt really pay much attention to him

I was more going off the comments of St Kilda supporters and things like disappointment of delisting him , wasn't given a good run , Deserved to be retained
great pressure and creates etc etc

Then to see a player that i did take notice of for years like Wood only due to friends that follow north that hated him and always couldn't understand how he always kept his spot without really performing or being injury free.

Who would you rather Wood or Parker ?

 

[Diehard Saint]

I really dont know much about him except maybe 4-5 games i watched that he played in but didnt really pay much attention to him

I was more going off the comments of St Kilda supporters and things like disappointment of delisting him , wasn't given a good run , Deserved to be retained
great pressure and creates etc etc

Then to see a player that i did take notice of for years like Wood only due to friends that follow north that hated him and always couldn't understand how he always kept his spot without really performing or being injury free.

Who would you rather Wood or Parker ?

He was a really good news story who we would have loved to succeed. Could certainly do some spectacular things but IMO tried that too often rather than getting the basics right.

Ultimately though, Covid cuts, uncontracted and others better than him were his undoing. Didn’t use the vfl to force his way back into the team.

Nevertheless, rapt to see him get another chance and hope he does well for you.

 

[George]

I think his reputation has grown in his absence.

100%! Like every player that leaves us haha

 

[Diehard Saint]

100%! Like every player that leaves us haha

Even those who never get picked up

 

[George]

I really dont know much about him except maybe 4-5 games i watched that he played in but didnt really pay much attention to him

I was more going off the comments of St Kilda supporters and things like disappointment of delisting him , wasn't given a good run , Deserved to be retained
great pressure and creates etc etc

Then to see a player that i did take notice of for years like Wood only due to friends that follow north that hated him and always couldn't understand how he always kept his spot without really performing or being injury free.

Who would you rather Wood or Parker ?

They are both very average. Parker has more upside but that's not saying much

 

[Remboy]

Even those who never get picked up

Branden White is going to be a gun I tell ya.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Branden White is going to be a gun I tell ya.

I did like his video when he was drafted though.

 

[hayes]

Branden White is going to be a gun I tell ya.

Hey hey cut us some slack on that one, even Montagna was on that bandwagon:

White looms as Montagna's replacement

Retiring St Kilda great Leigh Montagna believes young rebounding defender Brandon White has the attributes to replace him across half-back in 2018 and beyond.

www.saints.com.au

“Probably part of the reason I moved on is I think Brandon White is going to be a terrific half-back,” Montagna told Melbourne radio station RSN on Thursday.

 

[bird_man]

Please guy this is not a troll post but looking at that list how did parker get delisted considering the amount of good wishes for the guy coming from St Kilda supporters on our board. Was there issue's with him and coaching staff or leadership group ?

You could go back and watch the games he played last year and that would explain a lot of it.

That and being out of contract.

Spots were tight for small forwards and when he got his chance last year he was just awful unfortuately.

He'd fallen well behind the other small forwards and with Higgins coming in and Gresham set to spend more time forward it was going to be hard for him to get a game.

Yes that list above is ordinary but none of them play Parkers role except for maybe Kent who was under contract.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I really dont know much about him except maybe 4-5 games i watched that he played in but didnt really pay much attention to him

I was more going off the comments of St Kilda supporters and things like disappointment of delisting him , wasn't given a good run , Deserved to be retained
great pressure and creates etc etc

Then to see a player that i did take notice of for years like Wood only due to friends that follow north that hated him and always couldn't understand how he always kept his spot without really performing or being injury free.

Who would you rather Wood or Parker ?

I consider de-listing Parker, and rooking Wood, to be the recruiter equivalent of masturbationi.
They have fun jerking off, but in the end haven't achieved anything.

 

[sammm]

Yeah he trained with us before we signed him

yes he trained with us for 2 weeks and then we signed him up. a north supporter said at the time that he is a very good trainer!!!

 

[Dr Spaceman]

yes he trained with us for 2 weeks and then we signed him up. a north supporter said at the time that he is a very good trainer!!!

Yeah, this is our new criteria.

We trialled a few however these 2 blokes missed out to the former Roo