List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

George · Aug 22, 2021

Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link

To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

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gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

Joffaboy said:
How long do we persist with them? We have made the finals once in a decade with Spook not in the team.

We can't continue to play the same players and keep failing

He missed pretty much all of last year and half of this one, it takes 4 to 6 years for a lot of players to find their feet. We need depth, if he signs for a smaller wage like Billings and Ross you wouldn't deliberately push them out unless you have serious cap issues or are going for another rebuild. Otherwise you'd want an upgrade ready to go. 2020 was still a weird year with what looks like we had a bit of luck on our side. Most of our kids played exceptionally well, we had a low injury count and seemed to adapt well to hub life.

To me those guys are still best 22 and if one of Crouch and Dunstan can always being pushed out we are in a good place with a really good depth. Billings is a better player than Hill so unless he's asking overs you'd be insane to push him out because we've pretty much overpaid for a downgrade. Seb Ross is a solid B grader despite what people think, he's been able to fill roles this year and his adaptability and older head means he's a best 22 player. Again sign him as long as he doesn't hold them to ransom.

I hope they all play for lesser contracts next year, as much as everyone wants to bag them and blame them for our poor season these are the guys who put in the hard yards and stayed loyal through our most period since the 1980s. It's got to count for something. If in a couple of years these guys are pushed out of the best 22 it's because a lot of kids have come on and we would be ain a very good place at that point.

FootyMaster11 · Aug 16, 2021

Lions Flag 2020 said:
What is salary cap position? Do you have the space to trade in any good players?

Should have some room to work with, the following is a rough estimate. Even with Signing all of Dunstan, Billings and Ross have over 1.5m in space.

Player Name	2022 Estimated Contract
Nick Coffield	$ 300,000.00
Jake Carlisle	$ -
Zak Jones	$ 500,000.00
Jade Gresham	$ 600,000.00
Brad Crouch	$ 600,000.00
Seb Ross	$ 400,000.00
Luke Dunstan	$ 400,000.00
Brad Hill	$ 800,000.00
Jack Steele	$ 700,000.00
Dan Hannebery	$ 250,000.00
Hunter Clark	$ 300,000.00
Max King	$ 600,000.00
Jack Lonie	$ -
Jarryn Geary	$ 150,000.00
Jack Billings	$ 450,000.00
Dan Butler	$ 250,000.00
Dylan Roberton	$ -
Paddy Ryder	$ 200,000.00
Rowan Marshall	$ 400,000.00
Dougal Howard	$ 550,000.00
Ben Long	$ 250,000.00
Jack Higgins	$ 300,000.00
Jack Bytel	$ 150,000.00
James Frawley	$ -
Dean Kent	$ 100,000.00
Josh Battle	$ 300,000.00
Shaun Mckernan	$ -
Tim Membrey	$ 450,000.00
Jimmy Webster	$ 400,000.00
Matt Allison	$ 100,000.00
Ryan Byrnes	$ 150,000.00
Mason Wood	$ 100,000.00
Ben Paton	$ 300,000.00
Tom Highmore	$ 100,000.00
Jack Sinclair	$ 450,000.00
Dan Mckenzie	$ 300,000.00
Leo Connolly	$ 200,000.00
Oscar Clavarino	$ 100,000.00
Darragh Joyce	$ -
Paul Hunter	$ -
Max Heath	$ 100,000.00
Cooper Sharman	$ 100,000.00
Callum Wilkie	$ 400,000.00
Sam Alabakis	$ -
2021 Draft Picks X5	$ 500,000.00

Total	$ 12,300,000.00
Cap Size	$ 14,000,000.00
Remaining	$ 1,700,000.00

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
Pick 55 - Brad Miller (Melbourne/Richmond)
Pick 58 - Dane Swan (Collingwood)
Pick 71 - Brian Lake (Western Bulldogs/Hawthorn)
Pick 53 - Adam Selwood (WCE)
Pick 55 - Ryan Crowley (Fremantle)
Pick 64 - Nick Malceski (Sydney)
Pick 53 - Daniel Jackson (Richmond)
Pick 55 - Sam Fisher (St Kilda)
Pick 58 - Ben Hudson (Adel/WB/Brisbane/Coll)
Pick 61 - Michael Rischitelli (Bris/GC)
Pick 73 - Shane Tuck (Richmond)
Pick 53 - Lindsay Thomas (NM)
Pick 55 - Robbie Gray (PA)
Pick 63 - Tyson Goldsack (Collingwood)
Pick 71 - Justin Westhoff (PA)
Pick 79 - Jesse White (Syd/Coll)
Pick 82 - Aaron Edwards (NM/Rich)
Pick 53 - Michael Walters (Fremantle)

Yeah Nah ,,,, No good players are available after the first round

About one in every 20 top 10 picks would be guns, about one in 2000 outside pick 50 would be guns.

FootyMaster11 · Aug 16, 2021

George said:
Huge war chest to land multiple types of big fish.

Trouble is that we would want to be careful as next year have Long, Paton, Butler, Hannebery, Mckenzie Bytel, Steele, Webster, Battle, Allison, Marshall, Byrnes, and Highmore out of contract.

Most of those would be getting the same value contract if not more than what they are on currently.

CaptainRisky · Aug 16, 2021

gringo2011 said:
About one in every 20 top 10 picks would be guns, about one in 2000 outside pick 50 would be guns.

I would say its more like 3-4 players out of the top 10 would be classed as A grade or very close to it , Your 1 in every top 20 is just ridiculous

2018

Pick	Name	Club
1	Sam Walsh	Carlton
2	Jack Lukosius	Gold Coast
3	Izak Rankine	Gold Coast
4	Max King	St Kilda
5	Connor Rozee	Port Adelaide
6	Ben King	Gold Coast
7	Bailey Smith	Western Bulldogs
8	Tarryn Thomas	North Melbourne
9	Chayce Jones	Adelaide
10	Nick Blakey	Sydney

2017

Pick	Name	Club
1	Cam Rayner	Brisbane
2	Andrew Brayshaw	Fremantle
3	Paddy Dow	Carlton
4	Luke Davies-Uniacke	North Melbourne
5	Adam Cerra	Fremantle
6	Jaidyn Stephenson	Collingwood
7	Hunter Clark	St Kilda
8	Nick Coffield	St Kilda
9	Aaron Naughton	Western Bulldogs
10	Lochie O'Brien	Carlton

2016

Pick	Name	Club
1	Andrew McGrath	Essendon
2	Tim Taranto	GWS
3	Hugh McCluggage	Brisbane
4	Ben Ainsworth	Gold Coast
5	Will Setterfield	GWS
6	Sam Petrevski-Seton	Carlton
7	Jack Scrimshaw	Gold Coast
8	Griffin Logue	Fremantle
9	Will Brodie	Gold Coast
10	Jack Bowes	Gold Coast

2015

Pick	Name	Club
1	Jacob Weitering	Carlton
2	Josh Scache	Brisbane
3	Callum Mills	Sydney
4	Clayton Oliver	Melbourne
5	Darcy Parish	Essendon
6	Aaron Francis	Essendon
7	Jacob Hopper	GWS
8	Callum Ah Chee	Gold Coast
9	Sam Weideman	Melbourne
10	Harry McKay	Carlton

2014

Pick	Name	Club
1	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda
2	Christian Petracca	Melbourne
3	Angus Brayshaw	Melbourne
4	Jarrod Pickett	GWS
5	Jordan De Goey	Collingwood
6	Caleb Marchbank	GWS
7	Paul Ahern	GWS
8	Peter Wright	Gold Coast
9	Darcy Moore	Collingwood
10	Nakia Cockatoo	Geelong

2013

Pick	Name	Club
1	Tom Boyd	GWS
2	Josh Kelly	GWS
3	Jack Billings	St Kilda
4	Marcus Bontempelli	Western Bulldogs
5	Kade Kolodjashnij	Gold Coast
6	Matthew Scharenberg	Collingwood
7	James Aish	Brisbane
8	Luke McDonald	North Melbourne
9	Christian Salem	Melbourne
10	Nathan Freeman	Collingwood

2012

Pick	Name	Club
1	Lachie Whitfield	GWS
2	Jonathan O'Rourke	GWS
3	Lachie Plowman	GWS
4	Jimmy Toumpas	Melbourne
5	Jake Stringer	Western Bulldogs
6	Jack Macrae	Western Bulldogs
7	Ollie Wines	Port Adelaide
8	Sam Mayes	Brisbane
9	Nick Vlaustin	Richmond
10	Joe Daniher	Essendon

2011

Pick	Name	Club
1	Jonathon Patton	GWS
2	Stephen Coniglio	GWS
3	Dom Tyson	GWS
4	Will Hoskin-Elliott	GWS
5	Matt Buntine	GWS
6	Chad Wingard	Port Adelaide
7	Nick Haynes	GWS
8	Billy Longer	Brisbane
9	Adam Tomlinson	GWS
10	Liam Sumner	GWS

2010

Pick	Name	Club
1	David Swallow	Gold Coast
2	Harley Bennell	Gold Coast
3	Sam Day	Gold Coast
4	Andrew Gaff	West Coast
5	Jared Polec	Brisbane
6	Reece Conca	Richmond
7	Josh Caddy	Gold Coast
8	Dyson Heppell	Essendon
9	Dion Prestia	Gold Coast
10	Daniel Gorringe	Gold Coast

2009

Pick	Name	Club
1	Tom Scully	Melbourne
2	Jack Trengove	Melbourne
3	Dustin Martin	Richmond
4	Anthony Morabito	Fremantle
5	Ben Cunnington	North Melbourne
6	Gary Rohan	Sydney
7	Brad Sheppard	West Coast
8	John Butcher	Port Adelaide
9	Andrew Moore	Port Adelaide
10	Jake Melksham	Essendon

2008

Pick	Name	Club
1	Jack Watts	Melbourne
2	Nic Naitanui	West Coast
3	Stephen Hill	Fremantle
4	Hamish Hartlett	Port Adelaide
5	Michael Hurley	Essendon
6	Chris Yarran	Carlton
7	Daniel Rich	Brisbane
8	Ty Vickery	Richmond
9	Jack Ziebell	North Melbourne
10	Phil Davis	Adelaide

2007

Pick	Name	Club
1	Matthew Kreuzer	Carlton
2	Trent Cotchin	Richmond
3	Chris Masten	West Coast
4	Cale Morton	Melbourne
5	Jarrad Grant	Western Bulldogs
6	David Myers	Essendon
7	Rhys Palmer	Fremantle
8	Lachie Henderson	Brisbane
9	Ben McEvoy	St Kilda
10	Patrick Dangerfield	Adelaide

2006

Pick	Name	Club
1	Bryce Gibbs	Carlton
2	Scott Gumbleton	Essendon
3	Lachlan Hansen	North Melbourne
4	Matthew Leuenberger	Brisbane Lions
5	Travis Boak	Port Adelaide
6	Mitch Thorp	Hawthorn
7	Joel Selwood	Geelong
8	Ben Reid	Collingwood
9	David Armitage	St Kilda
10	Nathan Brown	Collingwood

2005

Pick	Name	Club
1	Marc Murphy	Carlton
2	Dale Thomas	Collingwood
3	Xavier Ellis	Hawthorn
4	Josh Kennedty	Carlton
5	Scott Pendlebury	Collingwood
6	Beau Dowler	Hawthorn
7	Patrick Ryder	Essendon
8	Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls	Richmond
9	Mitch Clark	Brisbane
10	Marcus Drum	Fremantle

2004

Pick	Name	Club
1	Brett Deledio	Richmond
2	Jarryd Roughead	Hawthorn
3	Ryan Griffen	Western Bulldogs
4	Richard Tambling	Richmond
5	Lance Franklin	Hawthorn
6	Tom Williams	Western Bulldogs
7	Jordan Lewis	Hawthorn
8	John Meesen	Adelaide
9	Jordan Rusell	Carlton
10	Chris Egan	Collingwood

2003

Pick	Name	Club
1	Adam Cooney	Western Bulldogs
2	Andrew Walker	Carlton
3	Colin Sylvia	Melbourne
4	Farren Ray	Western Bulldogs
5	Brock McLean	Melbourne
6	Kepler Bradley	Essendon
7	Kane Tenace	Geelong
8	Raphael Clarke	St Kilda
9	David Trotter	Kangaroos
10	Ryley Dunn	Fremantle

2002

Pick	Name	Club
1	Brendon Goddard	St Kilda
2	Daniel Wells	North Melbourne
3	Jared Brennan	Brisbane
4	Tim Walsh	Western Bulldogs
5	Jarrad McVeigh	Sydney
6	Steven Salopek	Port Adelaide
7	Andrew Mackie	Geelong
8	Luke Brennan	Hawthorn
9	Hamish McIntosh	North Melbourne
10	Jason Laycock	Essendon

2001

Pick	Name	Club
1	Luke Hodge	Hawthorn
2	Luke Ball	St Kilda
3	Chris Judd	West Coast
4	Graham Polak	Fremantle
5	Xavier Clarke	St Kilda
6	Ashley Sampi	West Coast
7	David Hale	North Melbourne
8	Jimmy Bartel	Geelong
9	Luke Molan	Melbourne
10	Sam Power	Western Bulldogs

2000

Pick	Name	Club
1	Nick Riewoldt	St Kilda
2	Justin Koschitzke	St Kilfa
3	Alan Didak	Collingwood
4	Luke Livingston	Carlton
5	Andrew McDougall	West Coast
6	Dylan Smith	North Melbourne
7	Laurence Angwin	Adelaide
8	Daniel Motlop	North Melbourne
9	Kayne Pettifer	Richmond
10	Jordan McMahon	Western Bulldogs

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

hangdog said:
I'd loved us to get Constable. No shame in being behind the likes of Selwood, Danger, Guthrie, Duncan, Parfitt etc. He could flourish given the chance. In fact, when he's played he's always done well.

Being behind a group of stars means you can get off the chain though. He might not be much better than Bytel once you put him in a more agricultural midfield.

Moorabbin Ghost · Aug 16, 2021

FootyMaster11 said:
Should have some room to work with, the following is a rough estimate. Even with Signing all of Dunstan, Billings and Ross have over 1.5m in space.

Player Name 2022 Estimated Contract
Nick Coffield $ 300,000.00
Jake Carlisle $ -
Zak Jones $ 500,000.00
Jade Gresham $ 600,000.00
Brad Crouch $ 600,000.00
Seb Ross $ 400,000.00
Luke Dunstan $ 400,000.00
Brad Hill $ 800,000.00
Jack Steele $ 700,000.00
Dan Hannebery $ 250,000.00
Hunter Clark $ 300,000.00
Max King $ 600,000.00
Jack Lonie $ -
Jarryn Geary $ 150,000.00
Jack Billings $ 450,000.00
Dan Butler $ 250,000.00
Dylan Roberton $ -
Paddy Ryder $ 200,000.00
Rowan Marshall $ 400,000.00
Dougal Howard $ 550,000.00
Ben Long $ 250,000.00
Jack Higgins $ 300,000.00
Jack Bytel $ 150,000.00
James Frawley $ -
Dean Kent $ 100,000.00
Josh Battle $ 300,000.00
Shaun Mckernan $ -
Tim Membrey $ 450,000.00
Jimmy Webster $ 400,000.00
Matt Allison $ 100,000.00
Ryan Byrnes $ 150,000.00
Mason Wood $ 100,000.00
Ben Paton $ 300,000.00
Tom Highmore $ 100,000.00
Jack Sinclair $ 450,000.00
Dan Mckenzie $ 300,000.00
Leo Connolly $ 200,000.00
Oscar Clavarino $ 100,000.00
Darragh Joyce $ -
Paul Hunter $ -
Max Heath $ 100,000.00
Cooper Sharman $ 100,000.00
Callum Wilkie $ 400,000.00
Sam Alabakis $ -
2021 Draft Picks X5 $ 500,000.00
Total $ 12,300,000.00
Cap Size $ 14,000,000.00
Remaining $ 1,700,000.00

The St Kilda boys are glad you aren’t the list manager!

Moorabbin Ghost · Aug 16, 2021

Ideal scenario for me is to get rid of Dunstan and Ross.
We are definitely kicking the tyres on at least one free agent to potentially replace those two.

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
I would say its more like 3-4 players out of the top 10 would be classed as A grade or very close to it , Your 1 in every top 20 is just ridiculous

2018

Pick Name Club
1 Sam Walsh Carlton
2 Jack Lukosius Gold Coast
3 Izak Rankine Gold Coast
4 Max King St Kilda
5 Connor Rozee Port Adelaide
6 Ben King Gold Coast
7 Bailey Smith Western Bulldogs
8 Tarryn Thomas North Melbourne
9 Chayce Jones Adelaide
10 Nick Blakey Sydney

2017

Pick Name Club
1 Cam Rayner Brisbane
2 Andrew Brayshaw Fremantle
3 Paddy Dow Carlton
4 Luke Davies-Uniacke North Melbourne
5 Adam Cerra Fremantle
6 Jaidyn Stephenson Collingwood
7 Hunter Clark St Kilda
8 Nick Coffield St Kilda
9 Aaron Naughton Western Bulldogs
10 Lochie O'Brien Carlton

2016

Pick Name Club
1 Andrew McGrath Essendon
2 Tim Taranto GWS
3 Hugh McCluggage Brisbane
4 Ben Ainsworth Gold Coast
5 Will Setterfield GWS
6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton
7 Jack Scrimshaw Gold Coast
8 Griffin Logue Fremantle
9 Will Brodie Gold Coast
10 Jack Bowes Gold Coast

2015

Pick Name Club
1 Jacob Weitering Carlton
2 Josh Scache Brisbane
3 Callum Mills Sydney
4 Clayton Oliver Melbourne
5 Darcy Parish Essendon
6 Aaron Francis Essendon
7 Jacob Hopper GWS
8 Callum Ah Chee Gold Coast
9 Sam Weideman Melbourne
10 Harry McKay Carlton

2014

Pick Name Club
1 Paddy McCartin St Kilda
2 Christian Petracca Melbourne
3 Angus Brayshaw Melbourne
4 Jarrod Pickett GWS
5 Jordan De Goey Collingwood
6 Caleb Marchbank GWS
7 Paul Ahern GWS
8 Peter Wright Gold Coast
9 Darcy Moore Collingwood
10 Nakia Cockatoo Geelong

2013

Pick Name Club
1 Tom Boyd GWS
2 Josh Kelly GWS
3 Jack Billings St Kilda
4 Marcus Bontempelli Western Bulldogs
5 Kade Kolodjashnij Gold Coast
6 Matthew Scharenberg Collingwood
7 James Aish Brisbane
8 Luke McDonald North Melbourne
9 Christian Salem Melbourne
10 Nathan Freeman Collingwood

2012

Pick Name Club
1 Lachie Whitfield GWS
2 Jonathan O'Rourke GWS
3 Lachie Plowman GWS
4 Jimmy Toumpas Melbourne
5 Jake Stringer Western Bulldogs
6 Jack Macrae Western Bulldogs
7 Ollie Wines Port Adelaide
8 Sam Mayes Brisbane
9 Nick Vlaustin Richmond
10 Joe Daniher Essendon

2011

Pick Name Club
1 Jonathon Patton GWS
2 Stephen Coniglio GWS
3 Dom Tyson GWS
4 Will Hoskin-Elliott GWS
5 Matt Buntine GWS
6 Chad Wingard Port Adelaide
7 Nick Haynes GWS
8 Billy Longer Brisbane
9 Adam Tomlinson GWS
10 Liam Sumner GWS

2010

Pick Name Club
1 David Swallow Gold Coast
2 Harley Bennell Gold Coast
3 Sam Day Gold Coast
4 Andrew Gaff West Coast
5 Jared Polec Brisbane
6 Reece Conca Richmond
7 Josh Caddy Gold Coast
8 Dyson Heppell Essendon
9 Dion Prestia Gold Coast
10 Daniel Gorringe Gold Coast

2009

Pick Name Club
1 Tom Scully Melbourne
2 Jack Trengove Melbourne
3 Dustin Martin Richmond
4 Anthony Morabito Fremantle
5 Ben Cunnington North Melbourne
6 Gary Rohan Sydney
7 Brad Sheppard West Coast
8 John Butcher Port Adelaide
9 Andrew Moore Port Adelaide
10 Jake Melksham Essendon

2008

Pick Name Club
1 Jack Watts Melbourne
2 Nic Naitanui West Coast
3 Stephen Hill Fremantle
4 Hamish Hartlett Port Adelaide
5 Michael Hurley Essendon
6 Chris Yarran Carlton
7 Daniel Rich Brisbane
8 Ty Vickery Richmond
9 Jack Ziebell North Melbourne
10 Phil Davis Adelaide

2007

Pick Name Club
1 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton
2 Trent Cotchin Richmond
3 Chris Masten West Coast
4 Cale Morton Melbourne
5 Jarrad Grant Western Bulldogs
6 David Myers Essendon
7 Rhys Palmer Fremantle
8 Lachie Henderson Brisbane
9 Ben McEvoy St Kilda
10 Patrick Dangerfield Adelaide

2006

Pick Name Club
1 Bryce Gibbs Carlton
2 Scott Gumbleton Essendon
3 Lachlan Hansen North Melbourne
4 Matthew Leuenberger Brisbane Lions
5 Travis Boak Port Adelaide
6 Mitch Thorp Hawthorn
7 Joel Selwood Geelong
8 Ben Reid Collingwood
9 David Armitage St Kilda
10 Nathan Brown Collingwood

2005

Pick Name Club
1 Marc Murphy Carlton
2 Dale Thomas Collingwood
3 Xavier Ellis Hawthorn
4 Josh Kennedty Carlton
5 Scott Pendlebury Collingwood
6 Beau Dowler Hawthorn
7 Patrick Ryder Essendon
8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Richmond
9 Mitch Clark Brisbane
10 Marcus Drum Fremantle

2004

Pick Name Club
1 Brett Deledio Richmond
2 Jarryd Roughead Hawthorn
3 Ryan Griffen Western Bulldogs
4 Richard Tambling Richmond
5 Lance Franklin Hawthorn
6 Tom Williams Western Bulldogs
7 Jordan Lewis Hawthorn
8 John Meesen Adelaide
9 Jordan Rusell Carlton
10 Chris Egan Collingwood

2003

Pick Name Club
1 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs
2 Andrew Walker Carlton
3 Colin Sylvia Melbourne
4 Farren Ray Western Bulldogs
5 Brock McLean Melbourne
6 Kepler Bradley Essendon
7 Kane Tenace Geelong
8 Raphael Clarke St Kilda
9 David Trotter Kangaroos
10 Ryley Dunn Fremantle

2002

Pick Name Club
1 Brendon Goddard St Kilda
2 Daniel Wells North Melbourne
3 Jared Brennan Brisbane
4 Tim Walsh Western Bulldogs
5 Jarrad McVeigh Sydney
6 Steven Salopek Port Adelaide
7 Andrew Mackie Geelong
8 Luke Brennan Hawthorn
9 Hamish McIntosh North Melbourne
10 Jason Laycock Essendon

2001

Pick Name Club
1 Luke Hodge Hawthorn
2 Luke Ball St Kilda
3 Chris Judd West Coast
4 Graham Polak Fremantle
5 Xavier Clarke St Kilda
6 Ashley Sampi West Coast
7 David Hale North Melbourne
8 Jimmy Bartel Geelong
9 Luke Molan Melbourne
10 Sam Power Western Bulldogs

2000

Pick Name Club
1 Nick Riewoldt St Kilda
2 Justin Koschitzke St Kilfa
3 Alan Didak Collingwood
4 Luke Livingston Carlton
5 Andrew McDougall West Coast
6 Dylan Smith North Melbourne
7 Laurence Angwin Adelaide
8 Daniel Motlop North Melbourne
9 Kayne Pettifer Richmond
10 Jordan McMahon Western Bulldogs

I was going off a vibe more than facts, but thank you for reinforcing my argument. Top 10 picks are much more likely to find guns than the back end of the draft where it's like trying to find a mushroom in a field of shits.

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

Moorabbin Ghost said:
Ideal scenario for me is to get rid of Dunstan and Ross.
We are definitely kicking the tyres on at least one free agent to potentially replace those two.

An upgrade though? That writes of any compo then. I'm happy to lose them if we are getting something right away, No point in a draft pick that might take 5 years to get to that level.

CaptainRisky · Aug 16, 2021

gringo2011 said:
I was going off a vibe more than facts, but thank you for reinforcing my argument. Top 10 picks are much more likely to find guns than the back end of the draft where it's like trying to find a mushroom in a field of shits.

Ah the old Marbo , Nah what i did was prove that you didn't know what you were talking about

kernelT · Aug 16, 2021

FootyMaster11 said:
Trouble is that we would want to be careful as next year have Long, Paton, Butler, Hannebery, Mckenzie Bytel, Steele, Webster, Battle, Allison, Marshall, Byrnes, and Highmore out of contract.

Most of those would be getting the same value contract if not more than what they are on currently.

Only 3-4 of those guys are locked in to our best 22 though, we shouldn't be ramping contracts up much for guys who are rehabbing or playing VFL.

FootyMaster11 · Aug 16, 2021

Moorabbin Ghost said:
The St Kilda boys are glad you aren’t the list manager!

Just an estimate, obviously I have no idea how much each player makes, this is also factoring in the reduced amounts for COVID. Would be interested to hear which ones you think are dramatically wrong, you probably have a better idea than most.

CaptainRisky · Aug 16, 2021

Moorabbin Ghost said:
Ideal scenario for me is to get rid of Dunstan and Ross.
We are definitely kicking the tyres on at least one free agent to potentially replace those two.

Thank god

Yawkey way · Aug 16, 2021

Gees scrappy you’ve really got it in for billings,

gringo2011 said:
Being behind a group of stars means you can get off the chain though. He might not be much better than Bytel once you put him in a more agricultural midfield.

Depends on the price and contract but I like his size as a point of difference and if he doesn’t make it at least sandy will have a big mid for a couple of years.

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

FootyMaster11 said:
Trouble is that we would want to be careful as next year have Long, Paton, Butler, Hannebery, Mckenzie Bytel, Steele, Webster, Battle, Allison, Marshall, Byrnes, and Highmore out of contract.

Most of those would be getting the same value contract if not more than what they are on currently.

There are at least 3 I would hope to drop off the list and another lot that won't be much more than they are on. Steele is the only really underpaid one.

CaptainRisky · Aug 16, 2021

As you all know im not a fan of Jake but just wondering if anyone knows how the back operation went and at what stage is he in his rehab ?

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
Ah the old Marbo , Nah what i did was prove that you didn't know what you were talking about

Nah, you just proved me right. I was suggesting that late picks are a lucky dip but for every toy there are a heap more empty bags. The reason most top players were drafted at the top end of the draft is that the best players have a much higher chance of being up the top of the draft because they are already the best players early on.

FootyMaster11 · Aug 16, 2021

kernelT said:
Only 3-4 of those guys are locked in to our best 22 though, we shouldn't be ramping contracts up much for guys who are rehabbing or playing VFL.

Very True,

I would also include Paton in that, before the injury was probably one of the first picked each week, and I don't think the club would reduce his contract, probably on the same. Then guys like Byrens, Bytel and Highmore are still playing on their rookie contracts, which you would assume would be increased after next year, and all three are likely to be the future of the club.

CursingFijian · Aug 16, 2021

Hombsch anyone?

gringo2011 · Aug 16, 2021

Yawkey way said:
Gees scrappy you’ve really got it in for billings,

Depends on the price and contract but I like his size as a point of difference and if he doesn’t make it at least sandy will have a big mid for a couple of years.

I don't think Geelong are keen to lose him so would cost something. He's being developed to take over from the old guys, they usually get good value for their cast offs.

Connorn99 · Aug 16, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
As you all know im not a fan of Jake but just wondering if anyone knows how the back operation went and at what stage is he in his rehab ?

Think it's fair to say he's cooked

Moorabbin Ghost · Aug 16, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
As you all know im not a fan of Jake but just wondering if anyone knows how the back operation went and at what stage is he in his rehab ?

Outside chance for this week.

CaptainRisky · Aug 16, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Nah, you just proved me right. I was suggesting that late picks are a lucky dip but for every toy there are a heap more empty bags. The reason most top players were drafted at the top end of the draft is that the best players have a much higher chance of being up the top of the draft because they are already the best players early on.

You will twist anything to be right wont you ,, Yes Gringo your right

Yawkey way · Aug 16, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
As you all know im not a fan of Jake but just wondering if anyone knows how the back operation went and at what stage is he in his rehab ?

I hope it went well because I’d love to get another decent year out of him.

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