List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[EconomicDecline]

OK, i'll bite, I hate the way Crouch plays, I believe a large number of his possessions are utterly useless and have little impact. He makes our slow'ish midfield infinitely slower, cannot play anywhere but the middle and takes away opportunities for Clark, Gresh, Bytel and Byrnes to run through there. Don't want, even on a free.

I'd agree here. He might rack up the clearances, but his disposal seems absolutely blind.

 

[Klaatu]

Talia is a yes from me, we are 1 tall defender short apart from Doogs we have very similar size players you need 2 players talls to cover all bases have a look at Richmonds backline over the past 5 years.

 

[St Neil]

But that now means if Ross leaves it cancels out his compo.

so from 2 potential compos. We now get 0.

the only way this makes sense is that we bring in2 free agents ourselves

Good point. Parker and potentially someone else.

Are Tahlia and Tarrant free agents?

 

[Joffaboy]

Why be like that towards a player that while limited, always did his best? Very Facebook to be so harsh towards him.

Good Luke, hope you can continue your career successfully.

 

[Joffaboy]

Matt Crouch is 26 and is younger than Billings , he is already a All Australian and if not for this year has not missed to many games.
Over his career he has a average of 28 possessions a game which is incredible.
If he wants to join his brother no problems , makes up for losing Dunstan and is a upgrade.
Talia is another matter at nearly 30 I wouldn't be looking at him and hopefully we have learnt from Frawley.

Didn't Adeliade bugger up Brad Crouch'es groing as well? Seems to be going fine now he is out of there.

 

[stavro#4]

Good point. Parker and potentially someone else.

Are Tahlia and Tarrant free agents?

Talia is.

not sure if Tarrant is.

 

[pluggeranddoc]

Over his career Crouch has been rather solid and not missed a great deal of football.
He is also a BnF winner and All Australian.

yeah his missed this year. But we don’t know how bad that groin is or if it was a case of I’m leaving and I’ll just take the year off and get myself cherry ripe for my new club.

Talia is an injury concern. But is a bonafide gun defender and we are lacking a genuine key back to go with Howard.

if both passed medicals. Why say no?

your talking substantial improvements on Carlisle/Frawley and Dunstan.

I suppose Hannebery passed a medical?

 

[stavro#4]

I suppose Hannebery passed a medical?

Yeah the same way Burgoyne did at Hawthorn when he completed his on crutches and they hoped he would give them 3-5 years max according to Dunstall.

half a century later and 3 flags he finally pulled the pin.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yeah the same way Burgoyne did at Hawthorn when he completed his on crutches and they hoped he would give them 3-5 years max according to Dunstall.

half a century later and 3 flags he finally pulled the pin.

Steele had a broken foot when he came to the Saints. SHould have passed on him....................

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That is what it says , they never offered him a contract - so he is de-listed which means we get nothing for him - strange if its true.

Are you sure.
To me he's un-contracted.
Do you have to have a contract on offer to be a "free agent"?
They are listed until they are de-listed. Listing is not a contract.

 

[Premium]

Come on, I doubt we keep Frawley AND pick up Talia. You think we'd do that?
McKernan gone, Roberton gone.
And we didn't fill our list spots, and were able to bring players in during the mid season draft. It's not like having those players hindered us. Not having a few of them did.

Seasons over and still have not made the call on Frawley - I thought Geary would retire but he signed another contract.
Being mates of Roughead and Ratten who knows.

 

[St Neil]

Talia is.

not sure if Tarrant is.

Tarrant would be very handy, even at this late stage of his career.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Good point. Parker and potentially someone else.

Are Tahlia and Tarrant free agents?

Both too old to spend a valuable FA compo pick on

Prefer someone younger - we need a ruck forward - I'd prefer we look at Mabior Chol.

Mabior Chol of the Hawthorn Hawks Career AFL Stats

Mabior Chol of Hawthorn Hawks career AFL statistics

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[CaptainRisky]

Im thinking Oscar is gone , Ratts has had Two pressers since and always mentioned the youngsters, never once mentioned Clav

Talia is.

not sure if Tarrant is.

Contract expires this year

 

[luca77]

Seasons over and still have not made the call on Frawley - I thought Geary would retire but he signed another contract.
Being mates of Roughead and Ratten who knows.

Yeah, if he stays he stays. He actually looked good when fit early on.
But I don't think the Talia thing happens if Frawley stays, and if he replaces Frawley we try again. I don't think the strategy is a bad one at all for key positions. Kids just can't come in and do it, good players in their 20s don't come cheap. Taking a punt is OK.

 

[Premium]

I suppose Hannebery passed a medical?

Matt Crouch has already had his operation and was back playing VFL and talking about injuries Gresham would be classed far worse.
I'm not a fan of Matt Crouch but he is a by far a bigger upgrade on Dunstan and if one of Steele or Brad Crouch goes down we have experience to fill the void ,.

 

[stavro#4]

Ahahaha Billings. **** me. What shit show this has become.


Jack Billings has a multi-year deal in front of him but the free agent is unsure what he wants to do. It’s not about money, but more the opportunity to play in a flag for the left-footer. There’s a bit of change around at St Kilda. Jake Carlisle has called time on his career, while fellow defender James Frawley managed just two senior games this season amid injury setbacks and it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen for him after coming on board at the end of last year. Foxfooty.com.au senior reporter Tom Morris explained earlier this month Seb Ross was testing the market, while Luke Dunstan was dropped for the final game of the season despite a stunning career resurgence, which suggests he’ll be playing elsewhere next year. The Gold Coast Suns are one of the clubs considering him. Injuries are wreaking havoc on Paddy Ryder, but his importance to the side suggests he at least gets one more year.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We've tried Sincs as a mid. He's way more effective in the role he is playing now. Why would we change it back?

He did ok when he was purely on the wing. Webster could also have a shot at that role, he'd be a good link up player with his pace and marking.
Even Paton was mentioned as potential midfield before he was drafted.

 

[pluggeranddoc]

Steele had a broken foot when he came to the Saints. SHould have passed on him....................

Would suggest Crouch more similar in age and injury to Hannebery rather than Steele!

 

[lewdogs]

Ahahaha Billings. fu** me. What sh*t show this has become.


Jack Billings has a multi-year deal in front of him but the free agent is unsure what he wants to do. It’s not about money, but more the opportunity to play in a flag for the left-footer. There’s a bit of change around at St Kilda. Jake Carlisle has called time on his career, while fellow defender James Frawley managed just two senior games this season amid injury setbacks and it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen for him after coming on board at the end of last year. Foxfooty.com.au senior reporter Tom Morris explained earlier this month Seb Ross was testing the market, while Luke Dunstan was dropped for the final game of the season despite a stunning career resurgence, which suggests he’ll be playing elsewhere next year. The Gold Coast Suns are one of the clubs considering him. Injuries are wreaking havoc on Paddy Ryder, but his importance to the side suggests he at least gets one more year.

If Billings is leaving to "try to play in a flag" then that says all we need to know about him.

Doubt it's true though.

 

[Ducky Tie]

It'll be interesting to see what we do with the key defensive unit. We probably could still do with another genuine KPD so I don't hate the Talia idea. I'm not sold on it though, with his injuries.

Howard has done a solid job over the past two years, but he's not an elite key defender His defensive one on one loss rate isn't great at 28.1%. May, Andrews, Weitering and Aliir all under 21%. 16th for intercept marks, which is fine, but not elite. 46 intercept marks from Howard this year. Weitering, Aliir and Andrews are the benchmark for number one KPDs in this area - all above 70. Howard is high in spoils to his credit. He is strong at covering ground, coming over the top of a contest and thumping it out of play - a valuable asset.

Neither of those are bad numbers, but they don't put him in the mix for a top five or six KPD. I'd probably have him in the 7-13ish range. Got to work with what we have though, and he is an important player for us. He's prone to the occasional brain fade. We don't help ourselves by having him do so many kick outs. We started to spread the load in the back end of the season, but it dragged on for far too long with Howard taking the majority. It isn't good for the team and I don't think it's good for him. Simplify his role and let him focus on other things.

Wilkie does a bloody good job on the second or even first talls for someone of his size. He keeps it simple with positioning and has great defensive craft. Defensive one on one loss rate of 26% this year, which I think is pretty good considering he played on considerably better/bigger opponents than he has in previous years where he's been the third tall. Ideally, he would go back to taking the third tall/dangerous mid sizers, but Highmore must be prioritised. Highmore is the one who has genuinely elite potential with his intercepting ability.

If the midfield apply good pressure to the entries, I think those three as a tall defensive trio are sufficient and can get the job done. I do still have concerns that it lacks a bigger bodied lockdown defender type but as we saw with Frawley this year - that option isn't necessarily an easy one to find.

 

[Premium]

Ahahaha Billings. fu** me. What sh*t show this has become.


Jack Billings has a multi-year deal in front of him but the free agent is unsure what he wants to do. It’s not about money, but more the opportunity to play in a flag for the left-footer. There’s a bit of change around at St Kilda. Jake Carlisle has called time on his career, while fellow defender James Frawley managed just two senior games this season amid injury setbacks and it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen for him after coming on board at the end of last year. Foxfooty.com.au senior reporter Tom Morris explained earlier this month Seb Ross was testing the market, while Luke Dunstan was dropped for the final game of the season despite a stunning career resurgence, which suggests he’ll be playing elsewhere next year. The Gold Coast Suns are one of the clubs considering him. Injuries are wreaking havoc on Paddy Ryder, but his importance to the side suggests he at least gets one more year.

If Billings is more worried about winning a flag let him go , if he thinks we are not up to it - crap / its all about the money

Ryder is a bonus if he plays if he doesn't so be it - we know that - this is why we are looking at getting a ruck / forward but he is the mentor Marshall and know Heath need.

We lose Billings it just shows how money can effect a player , he was given a massive 800k a year for a couple years on basically potential but showed he was a good half forward and no club can pay a role player that.
No way he will get near that figure again and at best he might get offered 650k from a club.

Our currently list is just missing a few pieces and we will be set , the media never looks at St Kilda in a positive light.
Thank god we have Leathlean and Gags running the show otherwise we will end up like the Pies.

 

[JediSaint]

Good point. Parker and potentially someone else.

Are Tahlia and Tarrant free agents?

I would look at free agents chol or keiran briggs to provide ruck depth/ defender role

 

[stavro#4]

If Billings is leaving to try to play in a flag then that says all we need to know about him.

Doubt it's true though.

To be honest. They can all piss off.

Ross Dunstan Billings.

Let him go to port. I’ll take their first rounder and go complete Dodoro and Bell and push for pick swaps etc to go along with it.

 

[Joffaboy]

Would suggest Crouch more similar in age and injury to Hannebery rather than Steele!

Well you would be incorrect.