List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

34

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Jirkago75]

Who wouldn't want the best case projection?

I like that he's young and has great upside, but he's yet to really show a full, dominant game. Injury niggles have maybe prevented that, but you'd be guessing a bit with him (more than with other juniors who have actually given evidence of their dominance)

Most definitely, I think because he’s already got a forward game. He will play straight away and can have spurts in the midfield. I remember Bont in his draft year wasnt rated that high, I think he was around pick 10. Only 2 days before did the news come out and say the dogs wanted him at 4.

He could be anything as he has great athleticism and is a powerful unit

 

[TAFKATMS]

Who wouldn't want the best case projection?

I like that he's young and has great upside, but he's yet to really show a full, dominant game. Injury niggles have maybe prevented that, but you'd be guessing a bit with him (more than with other juniors who have actually given evidence of their dominance).

Didnt he have 34 touches and 5 goals earlier this year? Seems like a full, dominant game if so

 

[LoBu]

SA talent seems to be overrated each year, particularly early.

Remember last year when Draper and Roberts were top ten, Murley, Ferres and Rayson were top 20?

Roberts (34), Draper (45), Murley (49), Ferres and Rayson undrafted.

Look it's not easy to predict and I enjoy the speculations leading up to the draft, but we could reasonably expect a top 20 list this time of year to be at best 50% accurate (not the order, just players taken in the top 20).

If we take a pick 3-4 to the draft it's unlikely we will take an SA boy.

 

[70lethal]

SA talent seems to be overrated each year, particularly early.

Remember last year when Draper and Roberts were top ten, Murley, Ferres and Rayson were top 20?

Roberts (34), Draper (45), Murley (49), Ferres and Rayson undrafted.

Look it's not easy to predict and I enjoy the speculations leading up to the draft, but we could reasonably expect a top 20 list this time of year to be at best 50% accurate (not the order, just players taken in the top 20).

If we take a pick 3-4 to the draft it's unlikely we will take an SA boy.

Last year was unusual due to covid and vic boys not playing much but you are correct in saying often SA boys overrated at start of year.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Dowling has some traits we could do with

Powerful and a bigger unit compared to our guys

Hope he gets plenty of mid time in champs

Has a good inside / outside balance to his game which we need too

Update - Not a good ball user - pass

 

[Jeffcrowe]

SA talent seems to be overrated each year, particularly early.

Remember last year when Draper and Roberts were top ten, Murley, Ferres and Rayson were top 20?

Roberts (34), Draper (45), Murley (49), Ferres and Rayson undrafted.

Look it's not easy to predict and I enjoy the speculations leading up to the draft, but we could reasonably expect a top 20 list this time of year to be at best 50% accurate (not the order, just players taken in the top 20).

If we take a pick 3-4 to the draft it's unlikely we will take an SA boy.

Completely agree

They tend to get overrated on U18 sanfl form and from elements of the SA media

Then when they get put up against the best kids of Vic ( and quite often WA ) they struggle to show their wares

Easy to blame wet weather yesterday but the vic kids adjusted - big and small , they just have more resilience and are more AFL ready

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Last year was unusual due to covid and vic boys not playing much but you are correct in saying often SA boys overrated at start of year.

The WA boys slaughtered SA last year despite all the chat re how good SA were

Interesting game this week over in Perth with some of their better players coming back . 50:50 I think

 

[LoBu]

Last year was unusual due to covid and vic boys not playing much but you are correct in saying often SA boys overrated at start of year.

I would love Phillipou to be everything he is at best projected to be - and we pick him up as a power mid/fwd - don't get me wrong - it's just that
the difference between form now and projected ability in 3 months time is huge when it comes to draft year.

 

[Disco Fox]

SA talent seems to be overrated each year, particularly early.

Remember last year when Draper and Roberts were top ten, Murley, Ferres and Rayson were top 20?

Roberts (34), Draper (45), Murley (49), Ferres and Rayson undrafted.

Look it's not easy to predict and I enjoy the speculations leading up to the draft, but we could reasonably expect a top 20 list this time of year to be at best 50% accurate (not the order, just players taken in the top 20).

If we take a pick 3-4 to the draft it's unlikely we will take an SA boy.

Agree. It will be hard for the Crows to pass on Tsatas, Wardlaw, Clark & Sheezel if they are available. I'm not downplaying Phillipou in the slightest, but the four lads I named have performed at a high level in a stronger competition. BTW - how impressive was Ashcroft yesterday!!! On the other hand the WA lad, Hewett was a little disappointing(again) which may also support your argument about judging talent in a weaker competition. If we are in agreement that the Crows desperately need higher level foot skills in & around the midfield then Tsatas & Sheezel will be candidates. Also the highly skilled Oliver Hollands make come into contention if he continues yesterday's form.

 

[70lethal]

I would love Phillipou to be everything he is at best projected to be - and we pick him up as a power mid/fwd - don't get me wrong - it's just that
the difference between form now and projected ability in 3 months time is huge when it comes to draft year.

I've listened to Hamish when we pick TT and I watch an interview with Taylor when Melbourne picked Jackson and one of the biggest difference I noticed was Hamish said TT had been the best performer over 3 years while Taylor said Jackson had been the biggest improver in the past 6 months.
I feel this mindset could be a major difference in drafting philosophy.
Hamish said a similar thing about Jones as to TT being the 1st time he saw him as a 15 or 16 y.o. he was so impressed vs Melbourne picking Oliver a massive riser in his draft year.

I wonder if we put enough value on the last 3-6 month form as some of the bigger bodied guys develop a bit latter like and Phillipou and Mackenzie

 

[TAFKATMS]

I would love Phillipou to be everything he is at best projected to be - and we pick him up as a power mid/fwd - don't get me wrong - it's just that
the difference between form now and projected ability in 3 months time is huge when it comes to draft year.

I reckon he has one of the highest ceilings in the draft

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Agree. It will be hard for the Crows to pass on Tsatas, Wardlaw, Clark & Sheezel if they are available. I'm not downplaying Phillipou in the slightest, but the four lads I named have performed at a high level in a stronger competition. BTW - how impressive was Ashcroft yesterday!!! On the other hand the WA lad, Hewett was a little disappointing(again) which may also support your argument about judging talent in a weaker competition. If we are in agreement that the Crows desperately need higher level foot skills in & around the midfield then Tsatas & Sheezel will be candidates. Also the highly skilled Oliver Hollands make come into contention if he continues yesterday's form.

Hewett has probably played the best individual game of the carnival against metro

But then been v poor against Allies and average only yesterday

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I've listened to Hamish when we pick TT and I watch an interview with Taylor when Melbourne picked Jackson and one of the biggest difference I noticed was Hamish said TT had been the best performer over 3 years while Taylor said Jackson had been the biggest improver in the past 6 months.
I feel this mindset could be a major difference in drafting philosophy.
Hamish said a similar thing about Jones as to TT being the 1st time he saw him as a 15 or 16 y.o. he was so impressed vs Melbourne picking Oliver a massive riser in his draft year.

I wonder if we put enough value on the last 3-6 month form as some of the bigger bodied guys develop a bit latter like and Phillipou and Mackenzie

Yep and also the late birthdays

 

[Crow till I die]

Agree. It will be hard for the Crows to pass on Tsatas, Wardlaw, Clark & Sheezel if they are available. I'm not downplaying Phillipou in the slightest, but the four lads I named have performed at a high level in a stronger competition. BTW - how impressive was Ashcroft yesterday!!! On the other hand the WA lad, Hewett was a little disappointing(again) which may also support your argument about judging talent in a weaker competition. If we are in agreement that the Crows desperately need higher level foot skills in & around the midfield then Tsatas & Sheezel will be candidates. Also the highly skilled Oliver Hollands make come into contention if he continues yesterday's form.

I like your thoughts. If we get tsatsas or wardlaw if there at our pick, then one of the good talls hopefully slips to our 2nd and then max michalanney for back end picks woukd represent a very nice haul

 

[LoBu]

I've listened to Hamish when we pick TT and I watch an interview with Taylor when Melbourne picked Jackson and one of the biggest difference I noticed was Hamish said TT had been the best performer over 3 years while Taylor said Jackson had been the biggest improver in the past 6 months.
I feel this mindset could be a major difference in drafting philosophy.
Hamish said a similar thing about Jones as to TT being the 1st time he saw him as a 15 or 16 y.o. he was so impressed vs Melbourne picking Oliver a massive riser in his draft year.

I wonder if we put enough value on the last 3-6 month form as some of the bigger bodied guys develop a bit latter like and Phillipou and Mackenzie

Yes, interesting, I recall Hamish saying that if we told him 2 years earlier we could have Thilthorpe he would have taken him then (or words along that line).

This is so risky with big fellas playing with big bodies against (and dominating) skinny kids who develop later. Is that Phillipou a bit that (compared to a Cook type who puts on a heap on cm and comes from out of nowhere in the last year)?

 

[Mutineer]

I like your thoughts. If we get tsatsas or wardlaw if there at our pick, then one of the good talls hopefully slips to our 2nd and then max michalanney for back end picks woukd represent a very nice haul

We currently hold no back end picks of any points value in this draft unless we trade a player/players that secure 2022 draft picks. Currently Sholl and Crouch would seem the most likely if they're agreeable because they're both contracted. Can't see too many other contracted players we'd be prepared to put up just for points to secure a draftee?

 

[Mutineer]

Yes, interesting, I recall Hamish saying that if we told him 2 years earlier we could have Thilthorpe he would have taken him then (or words along that line).

This is so risky with big fellas playing with big bodies against (and dominating) skinny kids who develop later. Is that Phillipou a bit that (compared to a Cook type who puts on a heap on cm and comes from out of nowhere in the last year)?

Not at all.

December 27th birthday.

 

[Crows I Am]

Pick 3 firmly ours with Hawks and Essendon winning. Probably pushed out to pick 4 if Ashcroft nominates for Brisbane

You'd think that is certain as he'll otherwise end up staying in Melbourne with LOLNorf, go to Perth or Adelaide. Top 4 team your father played for and warm winters seems a no brainer.

So much tempting SA talent will be gone by our second, we must find a way to get more picks by utilising 2023 picks, turbo charge the rebuild, strike now with SA talent.

GWS still a real possibility of dropping below us and ending up with pick 3. The only winnable game they have is vs Essendon. If they don't win that, will will likely jump above them as we should win against the Roos at AO.

If GWS do beat Essendon, then we have pick 3 pretty much sewn up (assuming we don't win any other games apart from the North game)

 

[Crow till I die]

We currently hold no back end picks of any points value in this draft unless we trade a player/players that secure 2022 draft picks. Currently Sholl and Crouch would seem the most likely if they're agreeable because they're both contracted. Can't see too many other contracted players we'd be prepared to put up just for points to secure a draftee?

No doubt we could generate some back end picks via player or maybe bringing in 2023 picks via swaps

 

[Macca19]

A few reputations have taken a big hit amongst the SA boys at the Championships when pitted up against the two Victorian teams, especially yesterday with Vic Metro minus at least two top end lads Wardlaw and Tsatas.
I think probably the only 2 certain SA 1st rounders are Phillipou and Keeler now? Thoughts Jeffcrowe

Its always the case. Same thing happens most years. SA kids get talked up in the first half of the year, then the champs comes, they drop down the list, then after draft combine they drop down some more. I still think Lemmey will go first round as they'll see what he did as a bottom ager and see that maybe covid and some niggles have knocked him around this year. But a lot of the other guys will drop down. I think there will be a lot of good value SA kids mid-late-rookie though

 

[Macca19]

Who wouldn't want the best case projection?

I like that he's young and has great upside, but he's yet to really show a full, dominant game. Injury niggles have maybe prevented that, but you'd be guessing a bit with him (more than with other juniors who have actually given evidence of their dominance).

Not sure what more you want from him? He's been dominant in the SA system for 2 years and has put together a very good Champs so far. Whether he should go pick 3/4...don't know, but he's got huge boom potential and not a lot of bust imo

 

[Mutineer]

Its always the case. Same thing happens most years. SA kids get talked up in the first half of the year, then the champs comes, they drop down the list, then after draft combine they drop down some more. I still think Lemmey will go first round as they'll see what he did as a bottom ager and see that maybe covid and some niggles have knocked him around this year. But a lot of the other guys will drop down. I think there will be a lot of good value SA kids mid-late-rookie though

The 2 I like as rookies if available still Tall Forward Phoenix Foster and strongly built mid Jake Walker.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

We currently hold no back end picks of any points value in this draft unless we trade a player/players that secure 2022 draft picks. Currently Sholl and Crouch would seem the most likely if they're agreeable because they're both contracted. Can't see too many other contracted players we'd be prepared to put up just for points to secure a draftee?

Himmelberg?

 

[Mutineer]

Himmelberg?

Clubs aren't stupid, he'll be uncontacted so they can wait and pick him up as a DFA.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Clubs aren't stupid, he'll be uncontacted so they can wait and pick him up as a DFA.

I would expect that we offer him a contract