List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: Draft Pick order

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Last year we knocked back pick 4 and 2 future F1 picks for Pick 1.
3,12 and a F2 is too light on.

True but it's a different draft and we would have had to send pick 19 back for the deal last year. I think it's around the mark

 

[DesertRoo]

Make it hard for GWS. Remember WE have what THEY seem to really want. Let's test it. Tell them give us 3 & your F1 for our pick 1 (possibly add in our F3). I think GWS will struggle next year so you'd assume this would net us 2 top 5 picks next year in a strong draft (on top of Ports F1 as I suggested as part of the JHF deal). If they say no then we walk away nothing lost. None of this 500 point net gain crap.

Any trade between Brady and McCartney will be pretty fair and pretty quick to work out.

 

[scottywiper]

I wouldn't be shocked if we are gunning for something like this:

1. JHF to Port for pick 2, future 1st and steak knives. It's up to Port to satisfy WCE with a suitable package to get pick 2.

2. Pick 1 to GWS for pick 3, pick 12 and pick 19. Use of later 3rd or 4th rnd picks to balance as they see fit.

3. Pick 19 to Sts for Clark. Its a valuable pick being the first live pick on night 2 of draft. Probably about 5 picks later than Sts would want, probably about 5 picks earlier than we would want to give. Feels like a compromise for both.

Of course, we had pick 19...

 

[spurs]

Pick 3 and 12 isn’t enough for our pick 1

 

[giantroo]

Pick 3 and 12 isn’t enough for our pick 1

No it isn't enough especially if we want to trade a pick for Hunter Clark.

 

[Mute Point]

Any trade between Brady and McCartney will be pretty fair and pretty quick to work out.

Exactly my point, I don't want it to be fair. Pick 1 is rarely traded out so for us to even consider doing it, the deal must be outrageous

 

[spurs]

Because who GWS think is the best player in the draft might not be the same as who we think is the best. If we have someone at 1 on our board who we think will be there at three, then it makes complete sense to maximise the value of that pick

Whether we want Cadman or not that deal is poo

 

[HEYTRUEROO]

Of course, we had pick 19...

Can you not trade back for it the year after? I thought you could only not trade back for picks traded in the year they were drafted. I could definitely be wrong though.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

I wouldn't be shocked if we are gunning for something like this:

1. JHF to Port for pick 2, future 1st and steak knives. It's up to Port to satisfy WCE with a suitable package to get pick 2.

2. Pick 1 to GWS for pick 3, pick 12 and pick 19. Use of later 3rd or 4th rnd picks to balance as they see fit.

3. Pick 19 to Sts for Clark. Its a valuable pick being the first live pick on night 2 of draft. Probably about 5 picks later than Sts would want, probably about 5 picks earlier than we would want to give. Feels like a compromise for both.

Agree with this - points 1 and 2 are the benchmark to compare how much value we have extracted from the 2 deals we have going atm and we should come back to this on Wednesday night to see how we have performed - ie have we caved, have we done better etc.

In terms of 3 I am meh on Clark but if we are interested in him and he wants to join us then 19 sounds right on the money.

Well done HTR.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

No it isn't enough especially if we want to trade a pick for Hunter Clark.

What a F2nd as well?

 

[Sphynx]

I wouldn't be shocked if we are gunning for something like this:

1. JHF to Port for pick 2, future 1st and steak knives. It's up to Port to satisfy WCE with a suitable package to get pick 2.

2. Pick 1 to GWS for pick 3, pick 12 and pick 19. Use of later 3rd or 4th rnd picks to balance as they see fit.

3. Pick 19 to Sts for Clark. Its a valuable pick being the first live pick on night 2 of draft. Probably about 5 picks later than Sts would want, probably about 5 picks earlier than we would want to give. Feels like a compromise for both.

How many times do we need to repeat it, it’s not JHF for Pick 2.

It’s JHF AND pick 12, for pick 2 and Ports future first

In all the scenarios I’ve read from the media, pick 8 and 12 and change needs to go to West Coast for pick 2

We are only going to end up with 2,3, Ports Future First and likely some late junk.

We are essentially downgrading two #1 picks for Ports future first

If Brady signs off on this, everyone has had his pants down, Annabelle Chong style

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

No it isn't enough especially if we want to trade a pick for Hunter Clark.

Must be 3, 12, 19.

Club's don't trade the number 1 pick for a reason - if we are about to create a precedent then it needs to be overs for us - basically an offer too good to refuse.

GWS have the hand to make this happen and we need to ensure they use it.

 

[Flawed Genius]

We may just very well want off the JHF rollercoaster FWIW

 

[HEYTRUEROO]

How many times do we need to repeat it, it’s not JHF for Pick 2.

It’s JHF AND pick 12, for pick 2 and Ports future first

In all the scenarios I’ve read from the media, pick 8 and 12 and change needs to go to West Coast for pick 2

We are only going to end up with 2,3, Ports Future First and likely some late junk.

We are essentially downgrading two #1 picks for Ports future first

If Brady signs off on this, everyone has had his pants down, Annabelle Chong style

I understand what you're saying, and I've read through those ridiculous hypothetical trades too. But they are exactly that, ridiculous. And not going to happen.

What those jumbled "mega-trades" reported by the media propose will happen and what I believe we have stated are our requirements for trading are two very very different things.

 

[The Nostradamus]

port better start convincing butters or Sinn to come over instead of running to their managers to not put them up for trade discussions

 

[Roo202]

Cadman would have to be better than two of Wardlaw/Sheezel/Tsatas combined to prefer the alternative.

I know multiclub deals are wild but in this case I don’t like thinking pick 1 is on the table if we haven’t got pick 2, so a package of deals can help.

And I honestly don’t care if a multiclub deal works out well for Port or not. I only care if the result works for us. I’d rather have a better outcome for North where Port is also happy than a lesser outcome for North that hits them harder. The only revenge that counts, if you are into that, is our club getting better on field.

Absolutely this.

But in any scenario where we get an appropriate deal without Port adding something they have so far been unwilling to put up, one of the third parties is getting unders for their involvement, which makes no sense, why would they get involved to take a haircut?

If Port can swing it and arrange that we are paid appropriately, when push comes to shove, it doesn't matter how it happens, just can't see how it happens without them giving up more.

 

[ferball]

Agree on the value, but he's under contract with StKilda. It's a bit rich of us (not referring to you) to point to JHF's contract and then ask for Clark without giving St Kilda a reason to let him out of his contract.

Unless we give a pick in the teens, he's staying at StKilda IMO.

Personally would prefer we hold JHF at the moment, and also see where Clark is at in 12 months.

The thing with Clark is Sts we're happy to trade him. Now he might want out because of that. We weren't in his ear making him tank all season.

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[ferball]

Said it before & nothing has changed, tell Port get us 2, F1 & Sinn / Bergman for JHF. Don't bother calling with other BS deals. That's what we demand otherwise he stays. It's not going to be this crap notion of win/win or fair for both parties. WE hold the cards here.

This. At least.

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[shinboner magic]

This maybe what is fueling the continuing “negotiations” that Clarko now wants him gone as well due to his potential mental health issues.

The kid is 19 and has shown a propensity to sook it up and be petulant (re his ice bath) his step father is an indigenous person and no doubt has said Poort under anyone would be a “safer” environment than Norf under Clarko and add to that he can go home and suck on mums tit after training ala “Lord Robin Arryn of the Vale”.

So Clarko may well be fearing the kid will just play the mental health card and we are screwed.

Better to take something rather than nothing at all.
I don’t trust this kid to grow up anytime soon, I don’t trust his step father and family not to be in his ear ever second of the day tugging at the heart strings, Poort have already shown they are willing to sabotage anything to get their way.

Said it before & nothing has changed, tell Port get us 2, F1 & Sinn / Bergman for JHF. Don't bother calling with other BS deals. That's what we demand otherwise he stays. It's not going to be this crap notion of win/win or fair for both parties. WE hold the cards here.

Port you flogs - this deal ain’t happening unless a player (maybe 2 players) you want to keep is traded.

Pick 1 trade needs 3 picks coming in with 1 a future first rounder

 

[Rooboy 96]

Lets give this 4 way deal a try.

Port
In: JFH, Rioli
Out: 8, 33, f1, f2

GWS
In: 1, 2
Out: 3, 12, 15, f1

WC
In: 8, 12, 33, f1(gws), f1(pa), f2(pa)
Out: Rioli, 2, f1

NM
In: 3, 15, f1(wc)
Out: JHF, 1

I think that is a big fat

Magic Trade Dice always knows best

 

[Dodecahedron]

So let me get this straight:
If a bad deal gets signed, Brady is an idiot.
But if a good deal gets signed, Viney and Clarko have their fingerprints all over it.

 

[shinboner magic]

I think that is a big fat

Magic Trade Dice always knows best

Disappointing RB96 - don’t think that was worthy of the dices time

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

If we end up with many picks this year (too many to use), I have faith that Rawlings will either turn them into higher picks (and therefore more highly rated players) or trade out for next year.

His strength is wheeling and dealing on draft night.

 

[Bren]

FOR THE LOVE OF F*CK... WE DON'T GIVE 2 SH*TS ABOUT POINTS!!

2 x 1st picks in no UNIVERSE equals pick 2,3,12,19...

At a bare minimum we should be getting GWS f1 and a Butters / Sinn type in.

TL/DR: Pay up or f*ck off!

 

[KangaRooster]

Seems like the best case scenario for us would be to get the trade with GWS done first, and in isolation to any deal involving JHF.

We can then move on to dealing with StK for Clark and leaving Port on an island to get the JHF deal done.