List Mgmt. 2023 AFL Draft

[davesnothere]

Vic Metro vs Vic County trial game this weekend. Under 16 and Under 18

Interest here is Willem Duursma ( 191 cms [emoji848]) going around in the Under 16s Vic Country and Vigo Visentini Rucking for Vic Metro in the 2nd under 18 game.(Vigo is listed 203 cms and 97kgs elsewhere think is closer to to mark)

SQUADS | 2023 Vic Country & Vic Metro trials

Squads for the Under 16 and 18 trials between Vic Country and Vic Metro have been announced. See who made the cut.

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[davesnothere]

Under 16 trials actually yesterday will put it here because Willem Duursma is of interest.

Scouting Notes: 2023 Vic Country vs. Vic Metro U16 trials

Vic Metro and Vic Country locked horns in a pair of Under 16 trial games, and we noted some of the top performers from either side.

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[davesnothere]

Coen Livingstone 200cm 96kg Ruck/Forward going ok by accounts worth being aware of.

These tapes are good [emoji4]

 

[davesnothere]

Scouting notes Victorian under 18 trials.

Scouting Notes: 2023 Victorian Under 18 trials

Vic Country and Vic Metro locked horns in a pair of Under 18 trial games on Saturday. We noted some of the top performers from either side.

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[davesnothere]

Orlando Turner 176cms 67kg

Probably one we should be paying close attention to as far as small forwards go.
Territorian playing for Norwood down here notice he kicked a couple of for the NT side against Tasmania in a side that got creamed.
Defensive pressure gets talked up. Low possession high impact.

Going to be a back end pick and matches our MO

 

[Bevoman]

Vic Metro vs Vic County trial game this weekend. Under 16 and Under 18

Interest here is Willem Duursma ( 191 cms [emoji848]) going around in the Under 16s Vic Country and Vigo Visentini Rucking for Vic Metro in the 2nd under 18 game.(Vigo is listed 203 cms and 97kgs elsewhere think is closer to to mark)

SQUADS | 2023 Vic Country & Vic Metro trials

Squads for the Under 16 and 18 trials between Vic Country and Vic Metro have been announced. See who made the cut.

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Could we go the full Monty and get W, X, Y & X ?
Willem Duursma, youngest brother of Port Adelaide’s Xavier & AFLW Yasmin and this year’s draft and AFL Academy member Zane

 

[davesnothere]

Rookie Me Scouting notes Sturt vs Centrals

Luca Slade still looking a really nice late pick.
Think Liam Fawcett is next year's draft.

SANFL U18s MOTR: Round 5 - Sturt vs. Central District

CENTRAL District now sits atop the SANFL Under 18s ladder, after downing Sturt by 38 points in a top-of-the-table clash at Wigan Oval on Saturday. The 4-1 Bulldogs kicked away with four unanswered goals in the third term to set up the 13.11 (89) to 7.9 (51) road victory. There were eight state...

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[RangaInTeal]

Orlando Turner 176cms 67kg

Probably one we should be paying close attention to as far as small forwards go.
Territorian playing for Norwood down here notice he kicked a couple of for the NT side against Tasmania in a side that got creamed.
Defensive pressure gets talked up. Low possession high impact.

Going to be a back end pick and matches our MO

Related to Bradley Turner, best kick of the football on both sides of his body in Australia!

 

[philthy05]

Pity that the 197cm McCabe is a hawks f/s

Sounds like a great target for us.

We should get in his ear about staying in Sa, but i doubt it would work

 

[Powerage]

Cal Wilkie’s rise and comments from Riley Bev on ‘Gettable’, really highlight the fact you can get key defenders from anywhere.

Interesting enough, Wilkie is only 191cm so comparable to Jonas, Burton, McKenzie, Clurey etc. I think this highlights the importance of up field team defence to the success of your backs.

So I guess don’t spend high picks on Backs if it’s a reach. Focus on the key forwards and mids at the high end of the draft.

Obviously Melbourne’s strategy is the opposite to this. They have Lever and May as their core, both were early picks and cost the Dees a lot to get them in, with Tomlinson and Petty as the bits and pieces players. Off the top of my head, this contrasts to most of the successful sides recently - Sydney, Tigers, Cats, Collingwood, who had/have defences made up mostly of picks outside the first round.

Like Alex Rance, Josh Gibcus, Robbie Tarrant, Ben Reid, Darcy Moore, Jack Bowes, Sam De Koning, Harry Taylor, Paddy McCartin. Scarlett was a father son pick back when you could get them dirt cheap who would have been a first round draft pick and was arguably the greatest defender ever.

We might be the only team in the league who DON'T have a key defender drafted in the first round and potentially how much has it cost us? I agree with the concept of team/zone defense being important etc but to a degree, like any other footballer, you only get what you pay for. IMO we should have forked out for at least one or two highly ranked defenders in the last decade or so instead of constantly being the defense that fights above their weight.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Like Alex Rance, Josh Gibcus, Robbie Tarrant, Ben Reid, Darcy Moore, Jack Bowes, Sam De Koning, Harry Taylor, Paddy McCartin. Scarlett was a father son pick back when you could get them dirt cheap who would have been a first round draft pick and was arguably the greatest defender ever.

We might be the only team in the league who DON'T have a key defender drafted in the first round and potentially how much has it cost us? I agree with the concept of team/zone defense being important etc but to a degree, like any other footballer, you only get what you pay for. IMO we should have forked out for at least one or two highly ranked defenders in the last decade or so instead of constantly being the defense that fights above their weight.

I’ve been having this debate in every edition of the draft thread for at least the last 4 years.

I still find it abysmal list management that we haven’t used a first round draft pick on a key defender since Chaplin in 2003. 20 years now that we have completely ignored top end talent in one of the most important roles on the ground.

Heck, even including McCullum last year, our record of using second round picks on key defenders is also pretty poor with something like only 2 picks in the last 10 years.

Horrible list management on my view.

 

[Powerage]

I’ve been having this debate in every edition of the draft thread for at least the last 4 years.

I still find it abysmal list management that we haven’t used a first round draft pick on a key defender since Chaplin in 2003. 20 years now that we have completely ignored top end talent in one of the most important roles on the ground.

Heck, even including McCullum last year, our record of using second round picks on key defenders is also pretty poor with something like only 2 picks in the last 10 years.

Horrible list management on my view.

Shit is it that long. That is deplorable. And probably not the greatest use we could have made of that pick.

A team usually uses at least one first round pick, and often one of the others is in the low thirties at least. They are often spread out chronologically. It just makes sense.

I'm really happy that we have got a strong forward line with an age spread, although that is partly luck with the arrival of Finlayson. But in terms of key defenders I think it has been pretty ordinary not to take the chance to grab a defender who can hold down his position one on one for a decade.

Lever, Moore, Rance, Hurley, Talia, Taylor, Scarlett. If you can get one, even better two of these guys functioning with their height, muscle, skill and athleticism the defense looks so much more solid even when the ball comes in quickly. Sure key defenders come through at higher draft picks but it is always more of a lottery and they usually take longer to develop.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

s**t is it that long. That is deplorable. And probably not the greatest use we could have made of that pick.

A team usually uses at least one first round pick, and often one of the others is in the low thirties at least. They are often spread out chronologically. It just makes sense.

I'm really happy that we have got a strong forward line with an age spread, although that is partly luck with the arrival of Finlayson. But in terms of key defenders I think it has been pretty ordinary not to take the chance to grab a defender who can hold down his position one on one for a decade.

Lever, Moore, Rance, Hurley, Talia, Taylor, Scarlett. If you can get one, even better two of these guys functioning with their height, muscle, skill and athleticism the defense looks so much more solid even when the ball comes in quickly. Sure key defenders come through at higher draft picks but it is always more of a lottery and they usually take longer to develop.

Exactly and this has been my viewpoint for years. We should have been spending at least 1 of our recent first rounders on a key defender.

Yes you can get a diamond in the rough late but the odds of selecting the right diamond are very low and we never have. Every year I get more frustrated that we haven’t addressed this issue down back.

Heck even many on this board have been more than happy with our key defensive stocks the last couple years and claimed we haven’t needed to spend a high draft capital to replace them. And yet, look where we are now because the club had the same mentality when this was clearly a huge gap in the list. Our current position should have been completely avoidable but we buried our heads in the sand.

We have no one to blame but ourselves for the hole our defenders are in at the moment.

If it wasn’t for JHF last year I wanted us to go for Busslinger and we need to do the same this year if we get an earlier pick from somewhere.

Just imagine having the confidence of a lever, may, SDK etc down back. That’s the quality you get from first rounders.

 

[davesnothere]

If we could find a top end pick somehow.
Ashton Mior going around for The Bays reserve side last week.

SANFL Player Focus: Ashton Moir (Glenelg)

Glenelg forward Ashton Moir dined on four goals in his SANFL Reserves debut. We put his performance under the Player Focus microscope.

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[GussyRobbo]

Vic Metro vs Vic County trial game this weekend. Under 16 and Under 18

Interest here is Willem Duursma ( 191 cms [emoji848]) going around in the Under 16s Vic Country and Vigo Visentini Rucking for Vic Metro in the 2nd under 18 game.(Vigo is listed 203 cms and 97kgs elsewhere think is closer to to mark)

SQUADS | 2023 Vic Country & Vic Metro trials

Squads for the Under 16 and 18 trials between Vic Country and Vic Metro have been announced. See who made the cut.

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I love the fact that the Duursma parents went with Willem, Xavier, Yasmin & Zane for their kids. WXYZ.

Appreciate commitment to a bit.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I love the fact that the Duursma parents went with Willem, Xavier, Yasmin & Zane for their kids. WXYZ.

Appreciate commitment to a bit.

They went with XYZ in order at first and then ran out of letters and went back to W. Willem was clearly an accident.

Also, 'Willem Duursma' sounds like one of those automatically generated create-a-players from a 20 year old AFL game which would throw up names like 'John Giansiracusa'.

 

[davesnothere]

WA colts scouting notes.

There's a little in there on Coen Livingstone having a day out last weekend. Maybe more Forward than ruck it's said but going to be an interesting watch come Nationals

"Ruck-forward Coen Livingstone had a monster game too, notching 20 disposals, 34 hitouts and a goal."

Scouting Notes: 2023 WAFL Colts - Round 3

Peel Thunder and Claremont were among the winners as Super Round hit the WAFL Colts in Round 3. Check out who impressed.

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[Bevoman]

I love the fact that the Duursma parents went with Willem, Xavier, Yasmin & Zane for their kids. WXYZ.

Appreciate commitment to a bit.

Double Dutch: we have two, let's go for more

 

[Prince St]

Tom Anastasopoulos - FWD - Geelong Falcons/Vic Country

176cm, 65kg

His stock is rising but not projected to go in the first couple rounds. We are due a good Greek boy on the list that isn’t a complete bust.

Rookie Me Central:
The crafty Geelong Falcons prospect has certainly made an impression in his four Talent League outings this season. He booted 12 goals (and just one behind) across the first month, including five against Oakleigh in Round 2 to earn Player of the Week honours. With speed, a sharp step, and smarts around goal, Anastasopoulos has worked away at his improvement areas while allowing the aforementioned strengths to shine. He’ll more than likely slot straight into the Vic Country forward line, with potential to pinch-hit further afield.

Please Port.

 

[davesnothere]

Coates talent league round 6.

Betting the 3 players in mentioned in the side that lost by 99 points will ultimately be good pick ups. Waylon next year.

"Northern Territory Academy
William Rowlands – 20 disposals, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal
Orlando Turner – 15 disposals, 5 tackles, 1 goal
Waylon Davey-Motlop – 11 disposals, 5 tackles, 5 inside 50s, 2 goals"

Snapshot: 2023 Coates Talent League: Round 6

Round 6 produced a trio of one-sided results as the Coates Talent League hit the Gold Coast. Relive the action in a snapshot.

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[Bevoman]

Tom Anastasopoulos - FWD - Geelong Falcons/Vic Country

176cm, 65kg

His stock is rising but not projected to go in the first couple rounds. We are due a good Greek boy on the list that isn’t a complete bust.

Rookie Me Central:
The crafty Geelong Falcons prospect has certainly made an impression in his four Talent League outings this season. He booted 12 goals (and just one behind) across the first month, including five against Oakleigh in Round 2 to earn Player of the Week honours. With speed, a sharp step, and smarts around goal, Anastasopoulos has worked away at his improvement areas while allowing the aforementioned strengths to shine. He’ll more than likely slot straight into the Vic Country forward line, with potential to pinch-hit further afield.

Please Port.

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Geelong Falcons kids have a propensity for returning home.

 

[davesnothere]

WAFL colts scouting notes.

Maybe the 2 Rucks the most noteworthy.

Edwards I'm sure I've seen listed at 207cms somewhere?

If we lose Mitch for an early 2nd round pick maybe turning him into Livingstone could work out. Good foot skills sometime ruck?

Scouting Notes: 2023 WAFL Colts - Round 4

The second WAFL Colts Super Round saw a few prospects put their names in lights. We highlight some of the top Round 4 performances.

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[Long live PAFC]

Exactly and this has been my viewpoint for years. We should have been spending at least 1 of our recent first rounders on a key defender.

Yes you can get a diamond in the rough late but the odds of selecting the right diamond are very low and we never have. Every year I get more frustrated that we haven’t addressed this issue down back.

Heck even many on this board have been more than happy with our key defensive stocks the last couple years and claimed we haven’t needed to spend a high draft capital to replace them. And yet, look where we are now because the club had the same mentality when this was clearly a huge gap in the list. Our current position should have been completely avoidable but we buried our heads in the sand.

We have no one to blame but ourselves for the hole our defenders are in at the moment.

If it wasn’t for JHF last year I wanted us to go for Busslinger and we need to do the same this year if we get an earlier pick from somewhere.

Just imagine having the confidence of a lever, may, SDK etc down back. That’s the quality you get from first rounders.

May, Lever - both got traded into their club, so kind prove that you don’t need to draft em, just trade them in like we did with Alir.

Moore is a father son and worthy of a top ten pick. Paddy McCartin was drafted as a key forward. Gibcus hasn’t shown enough to be included in the elite defender category. Durdin was also taken early and look how he is going.

No doubt we made a mistake in not drafting Talia at pick nine (Butcher, Talia and whoever) would have given us bookends. But there haven’t been many opportunities for us to draft high end KPPs. Maybe King over Rozee and De Koning over Georgiades. Can you name another time since 2010 where we have chosen someone ahead of a KPP?

Our team defence has been very good over the past few years. Big key forwards regularly tear good big key backs apart - Hawkins, Franklin, Cameron, McKay, Curnow, Riewoldt, Lynch, Kennedy, Walker, both Kings - when these guys are on and their midfields are winning, there aren’t many defenders who can beat them. He’ll even Dixon tore Andrews a new one. May and Lever have looked out of sorts when the other isn’t playing or if their up field defence breaks down.

So yea, a high quality tall defender would be great and we should definitely target one, but it doesn’t solve everything.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

May, Lever - both got traded into their club, so kind prove that you don’t need to draft em, just trade them in like we did with Alir.

Moore is a father son and worthy of a top ten pick. Paddy McCartin was drafted as a key forward. Gibcus hasn’t shown enough to be included in the elite defender category. Durdin was also taken early and look how he is going.

No doubt we made a mistake in not drafting Talia at pick nine (Butcher, Talia and whoever) would have given us bookends. But there haven’t been many opportunities for us to draft high end KPPs. Maybe King over Rozee and De Koning over Georgiades. Can you name another time since 2010 where we have chosen someone ahead of a KPP?

Our team defence has been very good over the past few years. Big key forwards regularly tear good big key backs apart - Hawkins, Franklin, Cameron, McKay, Curnow, Riewoldt, Lynch, Kennedy, Walker, both Kings - when these guys are on and their midfields are winning, there aren’t many defenders who can beat them. He’ll even Dixon tore Andrews a new one. May and Lever have looked out of sorts when the other isn’t playing or if their up field defence breaks down.

So yea, a high quality tall defender would be great and we should definitely target one, but it doesn’t solve everything.

That’s all well and good but we either a) don’t have the picks to trade for a high quality KPD at the moment or b), they don’t want to come here.

Looking back, very few quality KPD are SA juniors. So that makes it incredibly hard to just rely on trading to get them back and we need to rely on drafting them early.

Meaning we have to draft high quality defenders and that usually requires using high picks. We can’t rest on just relying on Aliir. As I have been saying for years, if we used a top draft pick on a quality key defender over the past 2-3 years, they would be ready to step up now and take that mantle as our leading defender instead of Jonas/mckenzie. We haven’t taken that chance and are going to pay the price.

Premiership teams have multiple quality key defenders. Let’s not just bury our heads in the sand and pretend it will happen with Aliir alone. Won’t happen until we address this area and just relying on hopefully trading someone in in the future is just poor management and that’s not likely to happen. Aside from Aliir, what high quality key defender have we traded in the last 20 odd years? No one. So draft them.

Jonas and McKenzie will not win a premiership as a key defensive line. This idea of oh but we’ve been ok is the reason we haven’t actually won anything. Resting on just being ok is all well and good unless you want a premiership. A premiership requires the best. Current line up isn’t that and is only adequate. Accept mediocrity is all well and good but want a premiership, we need a quality key defence.

Also no, key forwards don’t regularly tear apart the top line key defenders. Against us yes, against a quality defensive line up, no and that’s not the midfield alone.

 

[philthy05]

That’s all well and good but we either a) don’t have the picks to trade for a high quality KPD at the moment or b), they don’t want to come here.

Looking back, very few quality KPD are SA juniors. So that makes it incredibly hard to just rely on trading to get them back and we need to rely on drafting them early.

Meaning we have to draft high quality defenders and that usually requires using high picks. We can’t rest on just relying on Aliir. As I have been saying for years, if we used a top draft pick on a quality key defender over the past 2-3 years, they would be ready to step up now and take that mantle as our leading defender instead of Jonas/mckenzie. We haven’t taken that chance and are going to pay the price.

Premiership teams have multiple quality key defenders. Let’s not just bury our heads in the sand and pretend it will happen with Aliir alone. Won’t happen until we address this area and just relying on hopefully trading someone in in the future is just poor management and that’s not likely to happen. Aside from Aliir, what high quality key defender have we traded in the last 20 odd years? No one. So draft them.

Jonas and McKenzie will not win a premiership as a key defensive line. This idea of oh but we’ve been ok is the reason we haven’t actually won anything. Resting on just being ok is all well and good unless you want a premiership. A premiership requires the best. Current line up isn’t that and is only adequate. Accept mediocrity is all well and good but want a premiership, we need a quality key defence.

Also no, key forwards don’t regularly tear apart the top line key defenders. Against us yes, against a quality defensive line up, no and that’s not the midfield alone.

Lol the whole “we will just trade in player x” mentality you see on bigfooty here always gets me.


Like reality check, how many high end players in that position move teams?

Now how many teams are there?

It’s as if people assume there’s elite players waiting at home by the phone for Jason Cripps to ask them to the prom.


For every Dixon and Alir Cripps and co are probably on the phone to 200 players to eventually land those two.

And for every Alir there’s the renoufs fantasia’s and watts and so on. The trades that don’t end up working out for whatever reason.

Does that mean I think we should often use high picks on key defenders? No. Not necessarily

But I think we should be drafting more, at places where reasonable prospects are available.


We can’t rely on trading to save us. It should be plan B or C.