Analysis 2023 All Australian Team Awards Night

[Mr Meow]

But what about in 1961 - Edwards was completely robbed

My only answer is you guys get enough flags. Let everyone else get something!

 

[Guardian Hawk]

My only answer is you guys get enough flags. Let everyone else get something!

Unfortunately, your mob have been enjoying plenty of both lately...

 

[Noidnadroj]

I just can't see that happening so at the very least I think Andrews, who has had a fine season, will make it.

Will C.Cameron be rewarded for many consistent seasons, where he definitely should've had more than one AA selection? I'm just about leaning "yes" and think one of my favourite smokies, Langford, will be the one to pay the price.

Neale I can see missing for the reason you stated and they will pick a Serong or Merrett (or both) instead.

Hard to see Charlie Cameron making it. In the second highest scoring teams he has 15 games of 2-goals or less. His SI’s are pretty low for a permanent forward (65th in the comp). And he gets very little of the ball.

I understand he may be the leading candidate of permanent small forwards, but given the extent of average games, the selectors may well pick an extra mid in the forward line, an extra tall (Daniher type), a second ruck (Gawn type) or a mid/fwd (Bolton or Martin type).

Given they’ve never worried about picking a specialist winger because often none ‘deserve’ it (Gulden and J Daicos will be in this year) they may well do the same up forward this year and not pick a dedicated small forward.


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[Guardian Hawk]

Hard to see Charlie Cameron making it. In the second highest scoring teams he has 15 games of 2-goals or less. His SI’s are pretty low for a permanent forward (65th in the comp). And he gets very little of the ball.

I understand he may be the leading candidate of permanent small forwards, but given the extent of average games, the selectors may well pick an extra mid in the forward line, an extra tall (Daniher type), a second ruck (Gawn type) or a mid/fwd (Bolton or Martin type).

Given they’ve never worried about picking a specialist winger because often none ‘deserve’ it (Gulden and J Daicos will be in this year) they may well do the same up forward this year and not pick a dedicated small forward.


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Tobe Greene in a pocket, 3rd best key forward in the other, Petracca on a half forward flank and Rozee on the other would be my guess.

But they love fitting in a certain number from the top 4 teams and Charlie is next in line as a small forward so could well make it.

 

[scoman]

Hard to see Charlie Cameron making it. In the second highest scoring teams he has 15 games of 2-goals or less. His SI’s are pretty low for a permanent forward (65th in the comp). And he gets very little of the ball.

I understand he may be the leading candidate of permanent small forwards, but given the extent of average games, the selectors may well pick an extra mid in the forward line, an extra tall (Daniher type), a second ruck (Gawn type) or a mid/fwd (Bolton or Martin type).

Given they’ve never worried about picking a specialist winger because often none ‘deserve’ it (Gulden and J Daicos will be in this year) they may well do the same up forward this year and not pick a dedicated small forward.


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Will be three years in a row Charlie is the leading 'small forward' and misses out. Thats if you base it on goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50m.

 

[KissKiss]

Charlie is definitely on the edge after having quite a few down weeks in the second half of the season. But if he finishes the season like last week end (3 goals and 3 GA) I reckon he will get in. Greene easily fits on the HFF

 

[Elmer_Judd]

There is a push by some to have Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

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Fwd

Career

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Last 5

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22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

named the AA Captain. I wouldn't be against that tbh

 

[eth-dog]

Will be three years in a row Charlie is the leading 'small forward' and misses out. Thats if you base it on goals, goal assists and tackles inside 50m.

Toby Greene has +7 goals, +3 goal assists and Cameron has +7 TI50.

Cameron has also played two more games. In terms of averages, Greene is +0.6, +0.2, -0.2. So Greene is the best small forward this year.

 

[scoman]

Toby Greene has +7 goals, +3 goal assists and Cameron has +7 TI50.

Cameron has also played two more games. In terms of averages, Greene is +0.6, +0.2, -0.2. So Greene is the best small forward this year.

I'm not comparing him to Greene in this case as I would consider him to be more a candidate for the HFF.

 

[Mr Meow]

There is a push by some to have Toby Greene named the AA Captain. I wouldn't be against that tbh

Kingy has gone with that.

King’s 2023 All-Australian team:

B: Dan Houston (PA) / Sam Taylor (GWS) / James Sicily (HAW)

HB: Jack Sinclair (STK) / Harris Andrews (BRI) / Nick Daicos (COL)

C: Errol Gulden (SYD) / Marcus Bontempelli (WB) / Josh Daicos (COL)

HF: Christian Petracca (MEL) / Charlie Curnow (CAR) / Kyle Langford (ESS)

F: Toby Greene (c) (GWS) / Taylor Walker (ADE) / Charlie Cameron (BRI)

FOL: Tim English (WB) / Zak Butters (PA) / Zach Merrett (ESS)

I/C: Caleb Serong (FRE) / Gryan Miers (GEE) / Connor Rozee (PA) / Tom Liberatore (WB)

I actually like his team, although I'd go for Moore over Taylor as 7 is a lot of games missed. I'd probably go for Dawson or Anderson over Libba. I still think Miers needed more goals to go with his assists realistically.

What I like is that he's actually picked 6 genuine forwards overall and the two wingmen.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Toby Greene has +7 goals, +3 goal assists and Cameron has +7 TI50.

Cameron has also played two more games. In terms of averages, Greene is +0.6, +0.2, -0.2. So Greene is the best small forward this year.

Shai Bolton has 44 goals and goal assists. Charlie Cameron has 63.

So is that 19 shortfall (1 per week), out weighed by Bolton having:

460 to 210 disposals
90 to 17 clearances
115 to 40 inside-50’s
142 to 120 SI’s
9469 to 3619 metres gained.

Cameron has had 134 effective disposals for the entire season ….

Of course I’m biased, but Bolton should get the nod ahead of Cameron IF they choose a small forward.


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[eth-dog]

Shai Bolton has 44 goals and goal assists. Charlie Cameron has 63.

So is that 19 shortfall (1 per week), out weighed by Bolton having:

460 to 210 disposals
90 to 17 clearances
115 to 40 inside-50’s
142 to 120 SI’s
9469 to 3619 metres gained.

Cameron has had 134 effective disposals for the entire season ….

Of course I’m biased, but Bolton should get the nod ahead of Cameron IF they choose a small forward.


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Shai Bolton isn't a small forward. So that basically ruins your argument.

I'm not comparing him to Greene in this case as I would consider him to be more a candidate for the HFF.

Greene is a small forward though. Charlie has been the second best small forward this year.

 

[adammania9]

David King’s team is awful

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Shai Bolton has 44 goals and goal assists. Charlie Cameron has 63.

So is that 19 shortfall (1 per week), out weighed by Bolton having:

460 to 210 disposals
90 to 17 clearances
115 to 40 inside-50’s
142 to 120 SI’s
9469 to 3619 metres gained.

Cameron has had 134 effective disposals for the entire season ….

Of course I’m biased, but Bolton should get the nod ahead of Cameron IF they choose a small forward.


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Lol Bolton is 100 % not getting in

 

[Roby]

David King’s team is awful

Not enough Collingwood?

 

[Noidnadroj]

Shai Bolton isn't a small forward. So that basically ruins your argument.

Greene is a small forward though. Charlie has been the second best small forward this year.

That’s my point. None of the specialist ‘small forwards’ (Papley, Cameron, Weightman, Stengle etc…) have had AA worthy seasons.

Greene plays more like a medium / quasi key forward IMO. I don’t see him as a ‘small forward’.

Anyway … my point is a do see Cameron as the best performed specialist small forward, but I don’t think he’ll be selected.


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[DarOv]

It's long been a bug bear of mine. It's not necessarily how many are selected in the team. It's the arguments like - "but X finished in whatever position, so he can't make the AA team". That's a silly argument - no single player is responsible for where the team finishes. Or even "if X win the last 2 games and finish in 4th, XX should be selected" What kind of argument is that? It doesn't matter how the individual has played - aslong as the team makes top 4, they should be selected? For what it's worth, your team is a good example of this. The last few years, people have argued that Carlton shouldn't have as many selections as they've had cos the team can't even make finals. It's a dumb argument. Cripps, Curnow, McKay the year before, etc were not the reason Carlton weren't making finals (they were winning the Brownlow and Coleman x 2 FFS). Their individual seasons were absolutely worthy and it was a combination of other factors that saw the team miss out (other playes and their bottom 6 most notably). Cripps isn't more worthy this year just because the team is doing better.

Also, FWIW, Hawthorn never 'dominated' the AA team. We were the benchmark for about 4 years, winning a threepeat but never had more than 3 selections in the AA side across that span.

Not a single player, but the aggregate of those single players bear that responsibility. Led by the coach.
Sometimes a single player makes it very difficult for a team to finish in the top spots. But that doesn't take away the responsibility of someone who leaves that player to play.

 

[Mr Meow]

That’s my point. None of the specialist ‘small forwards’ (Papley, Cameron, Weightman, Stengle etc…) have had AA worthy seasons.

Greene plays more like a medium / quasi key forward IMO. I don’t see him as a ‘small forward’.

Anyway … my point is a do see Cameron as the best performed specialist small forward, but I don’t think he’ll be selected.


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51 goals and 16 assists is a compelling case. How many more goals does he need to get in? 4?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Quaynor should be nowhere near this side.

 

[hawkman]

Cameron ensuring his spot tonight and making sure Quaynor stays out

 

[Golden_6]

Quaynor was quite comfortably worst on ground.

 

[TARANTULA]

Decent game by Neale tonight. A lot of people struggling to fit him in the final 22 but JB said he's a smokey for the Brownlow lol.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Quaynor's AA Jacket...

 

[adammania9]

Not enough Collingwood?

He and I have the same number of Collingwood players

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Quaynor's AA Jacket...

Ya can’t lose something you never had.