List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Tundrawolf]

Sean Hurley spent his time in Perth either injured or hungover.

An Irishman who drinks? Well I never...

 

[wakojako]

He gets a rep from other team supporters because of the "not trading for Hogan anymore" thing, which he should have stuck to and then he backed that up with "we are not trading Lobb" thing which was obviously a lie.

I think he gets very good deals on contracted players, every time without fail. I think there is room to be stronger on OOC players both bringing them in and trading them out but it's not end of the world stuff

There is no reason for us to trade Henry to his preferred destination. He is the one walking out on the club just so he can get his dick wet in Melbourne. Bell needs to have a spine and trade to the highest bidder, otherwise straight to the PSD. Who cares if we miss out on pick 29 which will become a pick in the 30s on the night anyway. Low risk high reward.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There is no reason for us to trade Henry to his preferred destination. He is the one walking out on the club just so he can get his dick wet in Melbourne. Bell needs to have a spine and trade to the highest bidder, otherwise straight to the PSD. Who cares if we miss out on pick 29 which will become a pick in the 30s on the night anyway. Low risk high reward.

We can play hard on this but he's getting where he nominates at the end of the day

 

[arsesmart]

There is no reason for us to trade Henry to his preferred destination. He is the one walking out on the club just so he can get his dick wet in Melbourne. Bell needs to have a spine and trade to the highest bidder, otherwise straight to the PSD. Who cares if we miss out on pick 29 which will become a pick in the 30s on the night anyway. Low risk high reward.

One reason to trade to his preferred destination is the fact you can't trade without player consent. And we might want more meaty picks, what with our minimal hand this year.

We would hope though that Henry/Young would do all they can to ensure Freo get fair compensation given the max investment/min return equation (including coming into the main list with an injury).

 

[pK75]

We can play hard on this but he's getting where he nominates at the end of the day

I’d prefer their F2 than 29 this year. Should have more currency with other clubs looking to get out of this very compromised draft or those looking for points next year (Brisbane for Ashcroft #2 for example)

Edit: we can pretty easily bundle 40, 52&58 to get either 28 (GC) or 29 (hawks) on the night anyway.

 

[Ge3ks]

Sean Hurley spent his time in Perth either injured or hungover.

Pffft. A true Irishman would be injured and hungover at the same time.

 

[Ge3ks]

We can play hard on

Oh I love this game. Ok...

You're turn, Snuff.

 

[Eski3]

Erasmus value 6-10?

He was taken at pick 10 and his value certainly has not appreciated

He's contracted for 2 more seasons. That's realistically what it would cost for Freo to trade him (also why any trade isn't going to happen)

 

[pK75]

He's contracted for 2 more seasons. That's realistically what it would cost for Freo to trade him (also why any trade isn't going to happen)

If we are seriously considering trading Erasmus to the eagles (I really don’t think we are but for the hypothetical let’s say we are) I can see a 3 way trade:
Fremantle: out Erasmus In Callaghan
GWS: out pick 6 + Callaghan In pick 1 (Reid)
WC: out pick 1, in Erasmus + pick 6.
You can chuck around some later picks to make everyone feel like they won.

 

[Pussinbootz]

If we are seriously considering trading Erasmus to the eagles (I really don’t think we are but for the hypothetical let’s say we are) I can see a 3 way trade:
Fremantle: out Erasmus In Callaghan
GWS: out pick 6 + Callaghan In pick 1 (Reid)
WC: out pick 1, in Erasmus + pick 6.
You can chuck around some later picks to make everyone feel like they won.

Erasmus for Callaghan

 

[Pussinbootz]

He's contracted for 2 more seasons. That's realistically what it would cost for Freo to trade him (also why any trade isn't going to happen)

I reckon Freo would flip him for a high teens pick if it was on offer. We’ve got enough inside mids as is.

 

[Superkoops]

Off the top of my head, I'm doing the following trades again in a heartbeat:

• Lobb for 2 2nds
• Jackson (the difficulty is both teams knew how good he was)
• Cerra for Amiss
• Brad Hill for essentially Serong
• Brodie and Johnson for a pick Gold Coast turned into Ben Long

There's a few more that I think are more grey area (I think what we got for Logue and Tucker was alright but it's hard to call that a W for us coz North were never using those picks + the Esava situation will make that trade look bad by comparison). But I'd suggest the pattern is:

• we often play hardball when trading our players in contract
• we don't really play hardball when trading our players out of contract
• when we chase targets the result often seems like an overpay, but the targets in recent memory have usually been good enough that I don't particularly care about stuff like the future 3rd we missed out on when chasing Jordan Clark. For all the criticisms people have of Jaeger, at the very least that move saved us from paying way more for Sharp than we will this year.

Fair comments. Just to add to the above:

• The Brad Hill deal involved Acres and a second a a future pick. I’d agree that some of the picks used helped moved forward for Serong. But we got some change back from the trades with Adelaide/Melbourne and also got Acres.
• The Cerra deal was Amiss and F3.

The Langdon deal could have been better but main pieces:
22, F2 > 26, Langdon
We then traded F2 to Adelaide as part of separate deal to get another pick and then exchange with Melbourne to move from 10 to 8.

 

[Paracleet]

Fair comments. Just to add to the above:

• The Brad Hill deal involved Acres and a second a a future pick. I’d agree that some of the picks used helped moved forward for Serong. But we got some change back from the trades with Adelaide/Melbourne and also got Acres.
• The Cerra deal was Amiss and F3.

The Langdon deal could have been better but main pieces:
22, F2 > 26, Langdon
We then traded F2 to Adelaide as part of separate deal to get another pick and then exchange with Melbourne to move from 10 to 8.

A future first premiership winning move.

 

[sdfc]

I reckon Freo would flip him for a high teens pick if it was on offer. We’ve got enough inside mids as is.

So we trade a player we've already put a couple of years into for another kid and start again?

 

[pK75]

Erasmus for Callaghan

Not really, GWS are trading 6 and Callaghan for Reid.
Eagles are trading 1 for Erasmus and 6

 

[Pussinbootz]

So we trade a player we've already put a couple of years into for another kid and start again?

Correct. Don’t think it’s good list management to have Brayshaw, Serong, Young, Johnson, Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Jackson (who can also play inside mid), as well as Erasmus.

You could potentially get a teens pick for him. Package that up with norths pick and whatever we get for Henry, and we should be able to put a compelling offer to GC for their first.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Correct. Don’t think it’s good list management to have Brayshaw, Serong, Young, Johnson, Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Jackson (who can also play inside mid), as well as Erasmus.

You could potentially get a teens pick for him. Package that up with norths pick and whatever we get for Henry, and we should be able to put a compelling offer to GC for their first.

And with the way the draft is shaping up, we can do all that to replace Erasmus with likely another midfielder. If we're lucky, they might be as good as Raz too!

We do probably have an inside mid too many (tho there's positional versatility in that list), but I'm not for trading the guy in year 2 who has shown promise and versatility and is currently best 23. For me, has to be 1 of Brodie or JOM (tho I'm more than content with leaving it til next year)

 

[Joao]

Correct. Don’t think it’s good list management to have Brayshaw, Serong, Young, Johnson, Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Jackson (who can also play inside mid), as well as Erasmus.

You could potentially get a teens pick for him. Package that up with norths pick and whatever we get for Henry, and we should be able to put a compelling offer to GC for their first.

Fyfe, Brodie and JoM should not be included in that analysis for obvious reasons.

 

[Pussinbootz]

Fyfe, Brodie and JoM should not be included in that analysis for obvious reasons.

I’ll concede on Brodie, but why exclude Fyfe & JOM? Are you just going to play Erasmus at Peel until 2026?

He didn’t even get a full game when both were injured in the final round.

 

[mcnuggets rule]

I have no basis for this thought, other than observations over the year, but Chad Worner seems alot less of a player this year - has he lost some motivation? Should we be inquiring? He's the perfect compliment to our existing setup. He's much better than he's delivering.

 

[King Huskii]

I have no basis for this thought, other than observations over the year, but Chad Worner seems alot less of a player this year - has he lost some motivation? Should we be inquiring? He's the perfect compliment to our existing setup. He's much better than he's delivering.

He'd be worth having a conversation with.

 

[Pussinbootz]

I have no basis for this thought, other than observations over the year, but Chad Worner seems alot less of a player this year - has he lost some motivation? Should we be inquiring? He's the perfect compliment to our existing setup. He's much better than he's delivering.

100% agree. He’s the exact sort of mid we need. Great burst speed from stoppage and adds something different.

 

[Taylor]

It might just be the juxtaposition with Errol Gulden but Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

doesn't look to be effective by foot much at all.

 

[Dayts]

Someone posted in this thread a few days ago that Acers defensive transition, to play as a extra behind the ball won us extra games last year,
Well kudos to you! He just won Carlton that game by doing exactly that. And exactly what he did for us last year.
Well done Bell you overrated peanut.

 

[sdfc]

Correct. Don’t think it’s good list management to have Brayshaw, Serong, Young, Johnson, Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Jackson (who can also play inside mid), as well as Erasmus.

You could potentially get a teens pick for him. Package that up with norths pick and whatever we get for Henry, and we should be able to put a compelling offer to GC for their first.

Fyfe can't stay on the park, JOM has been serviceable and Brodie hardly played this year. Midfield depth is good to have.