Then we have Coll Casey and GC to finish. Tough.
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VFL 2023 - Reserves Game Day discussion Rnds 1 - 22 (Merged threads)
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He’s trying to hang on until Voss leaves …
You’re right, he did apply good pressure on the kick ins
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I hope Plowman gets a go at another club. Too good for VFL level imo. Has neat disposal and defends well - could do a job at another club. Would keep him as depth if we could but doubt it happens
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We actually had 3 First Round draft picks in our back half today - Marchy, Plow and Durdin - as well as a couple of Second Round picks in Cow and McMahon.
Ironically, our AFL side this week have 2 players originally selected in the Rookie Draft - Newman and Saad - and 2 more from the Mid Season Draft - Cincotta and Boyd.
If I can be pedantic, Cincotta SSP, not mid season
OMG, how could I have been so stupid....give yourself a gold star CB, and a slap to the back of my head.If I can be pedantic, Cincotta SSP, not mid season
It only seems like yesterday when I headed to the pre season open training session all excited to see Oleg Markov running around with the boys, only to be shattered when I heard on SEN he'd signed with the filth the previous night.
I'm still not sure who would have been the better selection out of him and Cincotta - but the fact that Markov had done a medical with us the week before suggests we were primed to draft him.
Happier with the Cinc selection.
The Blue Weirdo
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I can't understand the logic of Carlton(Voss) seemingly pushing a young, improving burst-mid, who is clearly our best fringe player out the door for sfa.
Then scramble for draft picks or pay up for a Free Agent to secure another developing midfielder.
The weekly Dow moaning will only increase when he's carving up opponents at another club next season.
Dow, Binns, Cowan and Motlop putting their hands up for selection.
I'm happy with most of our draftees.
Binns looks like a really good selections, going to be a good player. Cowan struggled to find the footy early but his numbers are on the up. Love his pace and kicking ability. Lemmy going to be a slow burn, probably another year or two before he plays AFL. Hollands of course not playing in this but very impressive for a first year player and Cincotta who is playing AFL has been an inspired choice.
I wonder whether Cowan could play a wing or forward role? Terrific runner and kick and genuine natural footballer.
I'm happy with most of our draftees.
Binns looks like a really good selections, going to be a good player. Cowan struggled to find the footy early but his numbers are on the up. Love his pace and kicking ability. Lemmy going to be a slow burn, probably another year or two before he plays AFL. Hollands of course not playing in this but very impressive for a first year player and Cincotta who is playing AFL has been an inspired choice.
I wonder whether Cowan could play a wing or forward role? Terrific runner and kick and genuine natural footballer.
He can't coach. Only way he makes it as a good senior coach is if he has really good assistants around him and he listens to them, lets them make the calls and he is just a conduit between them and the players. They make they decisions, he's the enforcer.
When everyone was embracing the new rules and modern game with leg speed, intensity and high pressure he was selecting the slowest team he could with a side of non-tacklers. When everyone was embracing fast direct ball movement we were moving the ball slower and wider than anyone.
Cant setup a forward structure with two Coleman medallists that can kick goals.
Player development has gone backwards because he does not believe players should have secondary positions. He does not rotate the midfield. He does not pick the best team for the modern game each week. He has insane experiments where he plays guys who have no attributes for a position in that position while not trying players who have those attributes.
He just can not coach. And you're right, we will get to see Dow playing good footy in another AFL team next year, probably as a mid who goes forward as he should be for us.
Watching Voss coach and waiting for him to get it and improve has been one big shitshow. Last AFL game was good, looked like it might have clicked, then the team was selected and we're back in it again.
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I'm holding back a bit with the coach criticism, waiting to see if we continue to 'take the game on' for the final 9 games.
Still don't agree with the weekly selection policy though.(or not supporting our best young fringe mid)
Unfortunately, think he will be elsewhere next year
His game has grown, was impressed that he nailed those long goals, looked balanced and composed, but I wouldn't say it was an improvement in his forward capabilities
The other aspect that seemed to change, especially in the 2nd half, was his defensive intent, best I have seen in some time from Paddy, even though it was against a really poor VFL outfit
As for a bargain, many stated the same with SPS who is still struggling, Setters who is once again injured (sakc Russell), and Stocker (Carlton has crap development because he isn't a mid)
I think Dow will get a block of games next year at a new club, beyond that, it's still up to him to improve his flaws, hopefully he grabs his chance at sustained intent, unlike a Will Brodie
If you are basing this on our season so far, it may have merit, but I am surprised you of all people are making assumptions on the inner sanctum
You applaud tweaks based on our last game, yet doing an about face due to Dow coming out who played less than a quarter when the game was won
Think too many people believe there is this fictional wide gap in the quality of coaches, when it's more about the deficiencies of a list
But then again, don't think we need another thread to debate the capabilities of Voss
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VFL match report: Blues enjoy big win over Bullants
It was a big win for the Carlton Reserves in Round 15.
Don’t bother mate, there are those that see what they want to see and that’s that. They’ll try and find any reason to back up their claim, twist a narrative, back track… whatever.
Pretty sad that grown adults would rather die on a hill, than admit they’re wrong… Voss included. Egoism at its finest.
Despite the opposition, I thought it was a convincing outing, where most of our listed players had strong impact
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Thanks for the overview on the draftees, GBatman. Just to clarify, when you say Cowan struggled to find the ball early, do you mean in this game? Or in his career to date?
Isn’t Dow injured ?
Had a look at the game replay, they are playing a good brand of footy, our midfield was just far too strong as was our defence. Our forward line is very weak but the mids kicked goals and the supply was good.
Dow - He would have to be the best player in the VFL. Didn't take long before they clamped down on him with a hard tag, was just too dominant coming out of the middle with his run and carry. He's not the player with loads of deficiencies he used to be. As an AFL inclusion, he's a better player than Hewett, he's very likely a better player than Kennedy but we are afraid to find out. Impressive game, hope that was not a concussion right at the end of the game, impressed that he is still running hard at the end of the game, which was something he wasn't doing last season. Would be an ideal Mid who drifts forward in the AFL side, would be the ideal player to rotate with Walsh.
Binns - Not sure what the nock on him is. Perhaps his disposal could be a little more polished. Has a fantastic work rate, times his overlap run, reads the game exceptionally well and provides an outlet over and over again. Talk about holding his shape, I think he's a better football brain than Hollands but Hollands is faster. He's a fantastic tackler. Was given the last 5 minutes on the ball which was good to see from a development perspective. Would like to see a bit of high half forward added to his game. Would love to know his GPS numbers. Think he is a terrific player to be honest. As for his future, he may end up being an onballer when he fills out but for now his outside game is really good on the wing. Would have to be the best winger in the VFL for sure.
Cowan - He's a much improved player. Love his half back play. Run and carry and handball receives. He's an excellent kick. His fitness and reading of the game has improved a lot. He's a lot better player than the one who debuted round 1 earlier in the season. Looks fitter and stronger. Fantastic kick. Where could he improve? Probably a little overhead but really impressed with him. Good athlete, natural footballer, terrific skills. Would love to see us give him a bit of time on the wing. Wing and half back flank are very similar positions at the higher level in terms of game play, it's just one is a little more defensive and one has a little more running involved but if you can play both that adds a lot to the team. Would love his kicking going inside 50 off a wing.
Motlop - Have been calling for this for a long time and saying this for a long time. He's a natural midfielder more than a natural forward and he needs to be playing more midfield time to develop both parts of his game and so we can get our midfield rotations up in the AFL side. Played mostly in the middle, at first looked a bit lost but he got better as the game went on. If we persist with this he will get better and better. He's a strong body with a lot of skills and quick in a small space so he's suited to the midfield role. He also reads the game well in midfield play. He lacks endurance so playing on the ball will help build this. Liked his game and hope we persist with developing him as a forward/mid. I think long term he will be that player.
Carroll - Looked like an AFL player playing against a weaker VFL side. He was good. He also looked like someone who has not had enough footy recently, was a little rusty. Got caught a few times but only because he had no one to go to. Would not happen in the AFL in a better system surrounded by better players. I think he has a future in the AFL. He does struggle a bit when he goes to his second position which is half forward. I think we need to persist with it though as breaking into the AFL team probably means you need a second position. Body is still filling out, he's been a slow burn but he's a good young talented player.
Plowman - I still feel that Plowman will find a third AFL team. He's a skills smart footballer. Far too good for AFL. He's not elite but there has to be a team out there who is looking for someone like this who can come straight in and fill a spot.
O'Brien - A bit disappointed with his kicking. He finds the ball but he wasn't damaging. Think we will be trying to find him a new AFL side as there's no future for him at Carlton now.
Lemmy - I'm glad to see him getting some time in the ruck. But he seems miles away at this stage. His body is still too light and immature and he gets pushed around a lot. What he needs to be doing is trying to get on the lead more and getting a run and jump at things. He gets caught wrestling a lot, I'd like to see him leading up and jumping at the ball. He's got a few more years to go before we look at him for AFL footy.
Durdin - He's ok, just a solid smart player, good to have him on our list.
O'Keefe - Looks a natural ruck, did some nice things but he's raw.
Marchbank - Really not that involved which is strange for him. Probably very underdone understandably.
Dow - He would have to be the best player in the VFL. Didn't take long before they clamped down on him with a hard tag, was just too dominant coming out of the middle with his run and carry. He's not the player with loads of deficiencies he used to be. As an AFL inclusion, he's a better player than Hewett, he's very likely a better player than Kennedy but we are afraid to find out. Impressive game, hope that was not a concussion right at the end of the game, impressed that he is still running hard at the end of the game, which was something he wasn't doing last season. Would be an ideal Mid who drifts forward in the AFL side, would be the ideal player to rotate with Walsh.
Binns - Not sure what the nock on him is. Perhaps his disposal could be a little more polished. Has a fantastic work rate, times his overlap run, reads the game exceptionally well and provides an outlet over and over again. Talk about holding his shape, I think he's a better football brain than Hollands but Hollands is faster. He's a fantastic tackler. Was given the last 5 minutes on the ball which was good to see from a development perspective. Would like to see a bit of high half forward added to his game. Would love to know his GPS numbers. Think he is a terrific player to be honest. As for his future, he may end up being an onballer when he fills out but for now his outside game is really good on the wing. Would have to be the best winger in the VFL for sure.
Cowan - He's a much improved player. Love his half back play. Run and carry and handball receives. He's an excellent kick. His fitness and reading of the game has improved a lot. He's a lot better player than the one who debuted round 1 earlier in the season. Looks fitter and stronger. Fantastic kick. Where could he improve? Probably a little overhead but really impressed with him. Good athlete, natural footballer, terrific skills. Would love to see us give him a bit of time on the wing. Wing and half back flank are very similar positions at the higher level in terms of game play, it's just one is a little more defensive and one has a little more running involved but if you can play both that adds a lot to the team. Would love his kicking going inside 50 off a wing.
Motlop - Have been calling for this for a long time and saying this for a long time. He's a natural midfielder more than a natural forward and he needs to be playing more midfield time to develop both parts of his game and so we can get our midfield rotations up in the AFL side. Played mostly in the middle, at first looked a bit lost but he got better as the game went on. If we persist with this he will get better and better. He's a strong body with a lot of skills and quick in a small space so he's suited to the midfield role. He also reads the game well in midfield play. He lacks endurance so playing on the ball will help build this. Liked his game and hope we persist with developing him as a forward/mid. I think long term he will be that player.
Carroll - Looked like an AFL player playing against a weaker VFL side. He was good. He also looked like someone who has not had enough footy recently, was a little rusty. Got caught a few times but only because he had no one to go to. Would not happen in the AFL in a better system surrounded by better players. I think he has a future in the AFL. He does struggle a bit when he goes to his second position which is half forward. I think we need to persist with it though as breaking into the AFL team probably means you need a second position. Body is still filling out, he's been a slow burn but he's a good young talented player.
Plowman - I still feel that Plowman will find a third AFL team. He's a skills smart footballer. Far too good for AFL. He's not elite but there has to be a team out there who is looking for someone like this who can come straight in and fill a spot.
O'Brien - A bit disappointed with his kicking. He finds the ball but he wasn't damaging. Think we will be trying to find him a new AFL side as there's no future for him at Carlton now.
Lemmy - I'm glad to see him getting some time in the ruck. But he seems miles away at this stage. His body is still too light and immature and he gets pushed around a lot. What he needs to be doing is trying to get on the lead more and getting a run and jump at things. He gets caught wrestling a lot, I'd like to see him leading up and jumping at the ball. He's got a few more years to go before we look at him for AFL footy.
Durdin - He's ok, just a solid smart player, good to have him on our list.
O'Keefe - Looks a natural ruck, did some nice things but he's raw.
Marchbank - Really not that involved which is strange for him. Probably very underdone understandably.
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played a full game, BOG.
Someone on TC said he got injured late in the game
Could be a concussing is the last few seconds, there was a head clash. It's on the replay, not sure of the result of it, hopefully not a concussion.
BartSimpson
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Never been good enough at AFL level yet finished top 5 in our B&F 3 times?
Plow has also been busting his butt to change up and adapt his game.
Has been a lot more attacking & providing run/drive, he’s definitely trying hard to get on another list.
Hope he does, he can still football.
