List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[Skarrz]

The west coast board is full of genuine fruit loops - now wannabe ITK posters are saying 2, F1 and 15 for 1 in what universe would we ever do that?

 

[rippersnipper]

Unless we go the development route and forget the short-term Comben shift down back. Having Nyuon, Dawson and Pink as older key defenders on short contracts is great, as it still allows us to pick up a kid (O’Sullivan) and develop him in the vfl for a few years without feeling the need to rush a kid in. If not, we still need a developing kpf and ruck.

We have to take at least two talls in this draft. We have five top 20 picks before academy and f/s. Have to be able to get those talls in with that sort of capital. Can use the fifth on a small forward/defender or additional tall. Whatever the case, getting a midfielder, half forward or half back should be right at the bottom of our priorities.

 

[R00StaR]

Tonight is the first night I've actually thought this might have actual legs.

"Not that big of a gap between Harley and the rest" is an extremely strange comment by the Eagles list manager on Perth radio an hour ago.

Softening up the Eagles supporters for 2 and 18 being a fair trade.

 

[Sillygit]

The west coast board is full of genuine fruit loops - now wannabe ITK posters are saying 2, F1 and 15 for 1 in what universe would we ever do that?

Could you imagine how insane that would be?

Gettin ourselves into this position, securin the trade targets, gettin to 5 first rounders this year, our original offer being the middle finger response to "give us 2 and 3". Then giving THAT over?

It'd break my brain.

But of course, it'd be great for them so of course they want it to be true.

 

[R00StaR]

Just listened to it, definitely the first time they’ve softened their stance.

Said other lads closed the gap this year, “if there was one”. And that he isn’t miles ahead of the rest like people suggest.

Hmmmmmm…

Sounds like a club lowering expectations because they want to trade it to us. Pick 2 and 18 should get it done. Unless of course, we might be more into McKercher ourselves and force them to make a choice saving us pick 18.

 

[chubbspeterson]

You maybe right.

Giants place high value on guys who are willing to commit to move and I think O'Sullivan would be willing.

I think GWS will take Sully if he's there at 7. It's probably not an immediate need but he's an Albury kid, he's more likely to commit to the Giants long term. He can develop away in the two's and come in on his own timeline when he's ready.

 

[Zebrah]

Hell hath no fury like a footy club's supporter base scorned. As with Brad Scott, it seems fashionable to heap scorn on Port due to JHF. (Not suggesting you've necessarily done this here Zebs, but plenty have.)

The draft is but one mechanism for obtaining players, and the fact that they've neglected it this year says more about where they see themselves on the 'premiership clock'. It's a matter of perception, of course, but at the end of the day, they see themselves needing to top up with more mature, role players to complement a side that went okay for a fair chunk of the 2023 season. How many years have we derided Geelong for being 'too old'?

So, with Ivan Soldo and Jordon Sweet (seasoned ruck and decent young ruck prospect), and Esava Ratugolea and Brandon Zerk-Thatcher as non-18 year old backline players, they've presumably recruited with the view to being immediately competitive. They also didn't start with a good draft hand, courtesy of last year's trades, one of which we shan't mention.

I definitely don’t like them. They are going the all in strategy. I hope it fails.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

But it’s a touch disingenuous/misleading to show what we went from to where we are without including them, don’t ya think.

I know what you're saying, and yes it does make it look like some trades happened out of thin air.
But if they didn't include future picks that other teams traded, it's consistent. Incomplete, but consistent.

 

[koshari]

So dodo effectively held out for 10 days for a hand full of junk picks?

 

[koshari]

Curious, is the a limitation to how much of Ben McKay's contract can be paid out each year?

So, going on that his getting 850k a year as reported, can they pay out so much in the first year to pay him only 700k each of the following years?

I know a lot of contracts are front or back ended, but surely AFL would have a limit?

They could just do a salary dump like collingwood.

 

[Shinboner1]

Curious, is the a limitation to how much of Ben McKay's contract can be paid out each year?

So, going on that his getting 850k a year as reported, can they pay out so much in the first year to pay him only 700k each of the following years?

I know a lot of contracts are front or back ended, but surely AFL would have a limit?

There are no restrictions outside of what the player and club agree to.
You can end up with a nick haynes type situation where he's probably on 600k max and ends up being owed 1.2mil in his last year.

 

[Souup]

I'm pretty firm on Duursma having the highest ceiling in this draft class. With that often comes a high bust rate, but I'm confident he'll be a player.

Please just take 2 and 3.

 

[speedy]

The west coast board is full of genuine fruit loops - now wannabe ITK posters are saying 2, F1 and 15 for 1 in what universe would we ever do that?

Delusional bunch... they are desperate to split pick 1 and improve their draft hand even though they wont admit it. Then expect a godfather offer to come their way. Unforetunately Reid is only a run of the mill type "generational talent", the type wich occurs almost every year.

 

[Samsquanch]

Seeing as they are the ones in charge of individual ad units, that's the only logical action to take.

Do you and your guys (including mods) access BF using a range of platforms?

I've been seeing the site reload randomly over quite some time on Apple devices, with chrome as well as safari. Apart from the new ads last week the site has been ok on PC, and I've not seen any recent issues on Android at all.

The Apple incidents appear to be related to ads refreshing so you've assigned it to the right people but it does seem like they sign off on advertising changes with incomplete testing.

It is annoying but essential to test using PC, Linux, Mac, Chromebook, android and apple, with a range of browsers and to observe several cycles of refreshing to accept changes before rolling them out to the production environment. That sounds like I'm advising on how to suck eggs, which is true, but eggs need to be sucked properly.



* Posted from Android device to ensure that content was not lost due to a page refresh

 

[Samsquanch]

I greet my son every day asking “can we kick it?”.

And then if he can’t we roll over to one of his homeboys and I bust a cap.

 

[The Dingrel]

. NOOOOPEEEE

Poorta have made off like bandits.....starting and ending with pick 73!

 

[koshari]

I'm pretty firm on Duursma having the highest ceiling in this draft class. With that often comes a high bust rate, but I'm confident he'll be a player.

Please just take 2 and 3.

looking forward the more guns in a side the fewer journeymen you have to carry, surely picks 2 and 3 give you access to a pair of guns, as good as reid "may" be he wont be worth 2 gun players? and thats assuming he doesnt have a freak injury at some stage?? we are in a unique position where we have been able to take 2 of the best 3 in consecutive drafts, thats a hell of a lot of talent. good insurance as well.

Judd was as good a player as anyone in the last 20 years and yet carlton couldn't win a flag on the back of getting him without the support around him he had at WC.

 

[The Dingrel]

Rawlings has also confirmed we have 32 signed on the primary list in the club video just posted

And mentioned we will likely take 5 picks in the ND
Either our current first 5 first round picks only
Or
We use 2 picks to move up and thus 57 comes into play and ends up our 5th pick

Yeah my biggest take away from that is:
1/ IF we decide to have a crack at #1, it'll be 2 picks only (assuming a future not involved).
2/ May have an eye on someone under the radar later in the draft that suits needs
3/ Brady has been reading this board!!!!

 

[The Dingrel]

Hell hath no fury like a footy club's supporter base scorned. As with Brad Scott, it seems fashionable to heap scorn on Port due to JHF. (Not suggesting you've necessarily done this here Zebs, but plenty have.)

The draft is but one mechanism for obtaining players, and the fact that they've neglected it this year says more about where they see themselves on the 'premiership clock'. It's a matter of perception, of course, but at the end of the day, they see themselves needing to top up with more mature, role players to complement a side that went okay for a fair chunk of the 2023 season. How many years have we derided Geelong for being 'too old'?

So, with Ivan Soldo and Jordon Sweet (seasoned ruck and decent young ruck prospect), and Esava Ratugolea and Brandon Zerk-Thatcher as non-18 year old backline players, they've presumably recruited with the view to being immediately competitive. They also didn't start with a good draft hand, courtesy of last year's trades, one of which we shan't mention.

and related, could be a coach all in looking for a short term path to success or sayonara. Whichever way you look at it, can they "out-improve" the likes of Collingwood, Lions, not to mention Carlton and the Swans who were in the big dance a couple of seasons ago with a young team? Fail in 2024 and they'll be calling for Kenny's head once again. Pressure is on.

 

[The Dingrel]

Softening up the Eagles supporters for 2 and 18 being a fair trade.

Yes certainly a far cry from the "it would want to be a very special offer" from a few weeks ago!
I'm really not fussed, I actually think I'd prefer to keep 2 and 3, and try to roll 2 teens picks into top 10, and target Kerch, Sanders, O'sullivan, and whoever they've identified (developing ruck perhaps), down in the 50's.

 

[R00StaR]

Yes certainly a far cry from the "it would want to be a very special offer" from a few weeks ago!
I'm really not fussed, I actually think I'd prefer to keep 2 and 3, and try to roll 2 teens picks into top 10, and target Kerch, Sanders, O'sullivan, and whoever they've identified (developing ruck perhaps), down in the 50's.

Yep im with you there. I hope we do take McKercher and Sanders with 2 and 3 while looking to trade up into that O'Sullivan, Caddy range with a couple of our late firsts.

 

[koshari]

campagner looks like judge reinholdt

 

[PokerRoo]

I'm pretty firm on Duursma having the highest ceiling in this draft class. With that often comes a high bust rate, but I'm confident he'll be a player.

Please just take 2 and 3.

What would be better. Ried & Duursma, Reid & Watson, Duursma & MCkercher or Duursma & Watson ?

 

[perplexed]

Last year Rawlings stuffed up the list numbers and we ended up having to dump picks. We can't afford to make that rookie mistake again.

At the moment we have four senior list spots and six picks.

If we plan on taking five players at the draft, we need at least six list spots to give ourselves some flexibility. This isn't good news for Bonar and Mahony, we really need to delist them both. If we wanted to keep one of them, we could also pay out or push back Lazarro.

 

[New_Roo]

Last year Rawlings stuffed up the list numbers and we ended up having to dump picks. We can't afford to make that rookie mistake again.

At the moment we have four senior list spots and six picks.

If we plan on taking five players at the draft, we need at least six list spots to give ourselves some flexibility. This isn't good news for Bonar and Mahony, we really need to delist them both. If we wanted to keep one of them, we could also pay out or push back Lazarro.

Don't we have 7 picks


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