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List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

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gringo2011 said:
They have to be available. The fringe players who are too good for VFL will be the ones picked off. You have a side ready for finals who lose a forward and see value in a fit Membrey or any of our other senior depth.

Selling them for nothing doesn't do much. At the moment we are turning Gresham into Henry, our standing second round pick into Dow and then using a first rounder at the draft.

Losing guys like Coff and Billings for picks in the 30s and 40s and probably unlikely to use those picks. Unless we bundle a whole lot of s**t picks up for a club like GC, we look downgraded and lost all depth for a couple of GOPs and some late picks.

I understand their latest dream is to clear space to buy up other clubs versions of Billings and pay them a million bucks year to get a draft pick but not sure it's a winner.
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Another cunning plan no doubt.
 
How would people feel if the offseason was essentially:

Gresham out = Henry in
Coff out = Dow in
Bytel out = Jordan in
Connelly out = Pick 12 in
Adams out = Pick 31 in

Howard stays
Billings stays

Upgrade Hammer from the rookie list and take 2 more rookies to cover he and Peris.
 
L_W_P said:
How would people feel if the offseason was essentially:

Gresham out = Henry in
Coff out = Dow in
Bytel out = Jordan in
Connelly out = Pick 12 in
Adams out = Pick 31 in

Howard stays
Billings stays

Upgrade Hammer from the rookie list and take 2 more rookies to cover he and Peris.
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Peris was a cat B rookie i think , so you are limited in who you can take for his spot.
 

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Bertha said:
And a distal bicep, which I did early this year and it's a bastard of an injury and takes a long time to recover from - what's interesting is its an injury that generally happens in your 30's and 40's. My understanding is that's a rare thing for someone in their 20's to do, but obviously not impossible.
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Who did their distal bicep? Coffield? Full rupture ?
 
Mowman said:
A lot people saying 50 to 60 picks this year At most
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AFLPA shot themselves in the foot with the 'Rookie upgrade = draft pick' rule.

Used to have to take 3 picks as a minimum, now some teams only take 1 or 2!
 
DougalHoward said:
Irish will take his spot
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It says we can have 3 now, i thought it used to be you could have 2 , and a 3rd if one was Irish.​

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= Category B rookies =​

Each club is allowed to have up to three 'Category B' rookies. Category B rookies are hired directly rather than drafted and represent players with non-traditional recruiting backgrounds. Players who could be recruited as Category B rookies are: International players who are not Australian citizens or residents New South Wales Scholarship Program Athletes International Scholarship Program Athletes Zone Selection by Sydney and Greater Western Sydney or ACT in New South Wales Zone selection by Queensland's Brisbane Lions and Gold Coast Players in other sports who have not been registered with an Australian Rules football club for three years Indigenous and multicultural players through the Next Generation Academy Zone In the special case of Irish international rookies, clubs can only have one Irish Category B rookie at a time. However, clubs are allowed to scout other Irish players as Category A rookies, and they can scout them directly without drafting them.
 
L_W_P said:
I would assume any deal the Suns do with North for pick 4 will involve a "hey don't bid on our guys" agreement.
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Probably a gentleman's agreement, but people aren't always gentlemen ;)

I don't honestly think it would happen but it would be enjoyable if it did
 
COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?

The recruiting world is abuzz with anticipation about whether St Kilda can find a way to secure first-round compensation for free agent Jade Gresham.

He is not worth the $750,000 a year he would need to be paid over three seasons to trigger first-round compensation.

The open question is whether the AFL would approve a separate St Kilda-Essendon trade for a second player who might transfer from the Dons to the Saints.

Essendon’s Dylan Shiel is a player of interest for the Saints given his hard run and explosiveness, so there is some chance he could be on the move.

The Dons said last month he was a required player, but Darcy Parish’s re-signing means there is a logjam of Essendon mids.

So Gresham to Essendon as a mid-forward and Shiels to St Kilda might be a win-win for both clubs.

St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.

But the AFL would need to approve both deals as fair value.

Some rivals believe the league would approve that kind of arrangement as the latest version of the Jack Bowes salary dump which advantaged Geelong and Gold Coast.

You couldn’t fault St Kilda for trying something inventive as recruiters Steve Silvagni and Graeme Allan attempt to betterthe club’s list.

DOUGAL WON’T BE BOMBERS’ PLAN B

St Kilda key backman Dougal Howard wants to stay at the Saints and fight for his position in the senior team next season rather than explore his options elsewhere.

Howard, 27, was overlooked for the club’s elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, raising questions about whether he should pursue a move to a rival on the hunt for a key defender.

St Kilda wants to be aggressive over the trade period to improve its draft position and clear some salary cap room to have scope in the free agency market in coming years.

Howard was seen as an expendable commodity, with several clubs, including Sydney, Hawthorn, Essendon and Port Adelaide chasing key defensive help.

But the 199cm Howard, who has one more year to run on his contract, has made clear he has no intentions to seek a move to a third club following his exit meeting with the Saints last week.

Essendon and Hawthorn are locked in a fight for North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, who is weighing up his options at the two clubs.

Essendon has long been considered the frontrunner for McKay, but the Hawks remain a strong chance to land the key defender after tabling a more lucrative offer.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell is eager to land a key defender to beef-up his back half and support captain James Sicily after conceding the third-most points this season.

It has fuelled suggestions Howard could loom as a back-up plan for the Bombers to fill a key defensive spot if they miss out on McKay and lose Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adelaide.

But it is unlikely Howard will emerge as a serious plan B option for Essendon, which will look to Zach Reid to fill a key void in the back half next year after a nightmare run of back stress fractures.

Reid, 21 has played eight games in three seasons but missed all of 2023 with his latest back injury.

The 202cm defender faces a crucial summer preparing his body to be ready to play from round 1 next season after he was taken with pick 10 in the 2020 national draft.

The Saints are open to offers on Nick Coffield and Jack Billings. Coffield has attracted interest from the Western Bulldogs, while Billings played only three games this year.


 
Satanic Saint said:
Who did their distal bicep? Coffield? Full rupture ?
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Ross Lyon mentioned it during preseason/before the season started and talked about how he, Coff, was down about another injury, etc... it stood out to me because I'd done the same thing and had surgery as well.

I might try and trawl through some of his pressers if they're still online, vaguely I think it was around the time we were playing praccy matches against Melbs/Essendon.

Edit: the old video's aren't playing for me, so I might have remembered it wrong or misheard it as I can't find anything about it or it could have happened and not reported on. i.e. I might not be reliable
 
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BrutThough said:
COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?

The recruiting world is abuzz with anticipation about whether St Kilda can find a way to secure first-round compensation for free agent Jade Gresham.

He is not worth the $750,000 a year he would need to be paid over three seasons to trigger first-round compensation.

The open question is whether the AFL would approve a separate St Kilda-Essendon trade for a second player who might transfer from the Dons to the Saints.

Essendon’s Dylan Shiel is a player of interest for the Saints given his hard run and explosiveness, so there is some chance he could be on the move.

The Dons said last month he was a required player, but Darcy Parish’s re-signing means there is a logjam of Essendon mids.

So Gresham to Essendon as a mid-forward and Shiels to St Kilda might be a win-win for both clubs.

St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.

But the AFL would need to approve both deals as fair value.

Some rivals believe the league would approve that kind of arrangement as the latest version of the Jack Bowes salary dump which advantaged Geelong and Gold Coast.

You couldn’t fault St Kilda for trying something inventive as recruiters Steve Silvagni and Graeme Allan attempt to betterthe club’s list.

DOUGAL WON’T BE BOMBERS’ PLAN B

St Kilda key backman Dougal Howard wants to stay at the Saints and fight for his position in the senior team next season rather than explore his options elsewhere.

Howard, 27, was overlooked for the club’s elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, raising questions about whether he should pursue a move to a rival on the hunt for a key defender.

St Kilda wants to be aggressive over the trade period to improve its draft position and clear some salary cap room to have scope in the free agency market in coming years.

Howard was seen as an expendable commodity, with several clubs, including Sydney, Hawthorn, Essendon and Port Adelaide chasing key defensive help.

But the 199cm Howard, who has one more year to run on his contract, has made clear he has no intentions to seek a move to a third club following his exit meeting with the Saints last week.

Essendon and Hawthorn are locked in a fight for North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, who is weighing up his options at the two clubs.

Essendon has long been considered the frontrunner for McKay, but the Hawks remain a strong chance to land the key defender after tabling a more lucrative offer.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell is eager to land a key defender to beef-up his back half and support captain James Sicily after conceding the third-most points this season.

It has fuelled suggestions Howard could loom as a back-up plan for the Bombers to fill a key defensive spot if they miss out on McKay and lose Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adelaide.

But it is unlikely Howard will emerge as a serious plan B option for Essendon, which will look to Zach Reid to fill a key void in the back half next year after a nightmare run of back stress fractures.

Reid, 21 has played eight games in three seasons but missed all of 2023 with his latest back injury.

The 202cm defender faces a crucial summer preparing his body to be ready to play from round 1 next season after he was taken with pick 10 in the 2020 national draft.

The Saints are open to offers on Nick Coffield and Jack Billings. Coffield has attracted interest from the Western Bulldogs, while Billings played only three games this year.


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So...

  • Howard's not leaving unless he agrees, so we can stop talking about him
  • Market testing will take place on Coffield
  • Shiel would be ... interesting
 
BrutThough said:
COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?


St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.
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happy with all that except this bit,what kind of pick would we be giving them back?surely not 12 or 13 if all that plays out,i assume we are talking a later pick
 

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Bertha said:
Ross Lyon mentioned it during preseason/before the season started and talked about how he, Coff, was down about another injury, etc... it stood out to me because I'd done the same thing and had surgery as well.

I might try and trawl through some of his pressers if they're still online, vaguely I think it was around the time we were playing praccy matches against Melbs/Essendon.

Edit: the old video's aren't playing for me, so I might have remembered it wrong or misheard it as I can't find anything about it or it could have happened and not reported on. i.e. I might not be reliable
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Ahhh all good yeah that’s a nasty injury mate.
 
jimmytigs said:
happy with all that except this bit,what kind of pick would we be giving them back?surely not 12 or 13 if all that plays out,i assume we are talking a later pick
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Yeah would be a 'token' pick which is why it would need AFL approval.

Shiel going to be on close to a million next year...
 
stavro#4 said:
The Roos will take Watson or Duursma. They need a different mix then another pure mid.

Lets see what we try and do. Ive said for months that the plan was to hit this draft heavily and that they wanted another first.

lets see how they go about this - my hope is that they pull it off and show some aggression in trying to get better, which they did to an extent having a deal lined up for Elijah Hewitt on draft night
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Think we would need to get GC pick 4 to be locked to get Sanders that pick will be 6 by the time bids come in.

1. WC - Reid
2. GC NGA Bid - Jed Walter
3. Nth - McKercher
4. Nth FA Comp - Watson
5. Haw - Dursma

Of the top prospects that leaves, Sanders Curtin O'Sullivan Caddy and Wilson in the open pool with Ethan Reid and Rodgers GC NGA tied.

Most probably have Curtin next. Sanders could slip a couple of picks if Melb want Caddy as a forward - GWS don't need mids but not sure how he would get past Geelong.

6. GC Pick up for trade
7. Melb
8. GWS
9. Geel
10. Ess

So Essendon's pick at 8 currently gives you a faint hope of him sliding to there but you wouldn't sell the farm for a faint hope has to be GC pick if you want to be sure to get your man.

Also happy that our team has identified Sanders as the target fits our needs perfectly would be a good long term match with Pou and Owens - Pretty powerful midfield
 
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