List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Bigger]

I just fell to my knees in spud shed.

You are dirty.

 

[PeopleEater]

Alot of talk on here about Richmond paying a chunk of salary for Bolton as part of the deal. My question is does that payment still make up a component of our salary cap or Richmonds? I'm assuming it would be the Tigers otherwise it has little benefit to us. I'm struggling to understand how this works as hypothetically we could send the Tiges four first rounders for Bolton if they agree to pay his salary for the next 3 years and we would then be gaining an A grader with no impact to our TPP for that time? Technically we could be over the allowable TPP by $1.2m per year for our list without repercussion - Or do I have the wrong end of the stick here?

 

[Alfonz]

Martin ticks all the boxes if Carlton gave permission to head over

Would Martin want to be doing a medical while he is still recovering from a hamstring strain? Would Freo? I can see pros and cons from a club perspective, but not sure about the player. I would have thought he'd want to present at full fitness to enhance his chances.

 

[s_wd6]

Neither of those two are heading anywhere.

Well everyone on here is ready to trade Darcy at the drop of a hat because he's never available. Cox is right up there with him in terms of injury prone, but doesn't have the added bonus of actually performing when he is available.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

17.7 Million salary cap
-- I wonder how much these guys are using up, if they were reported at 800k when they signed, and the salary cap has gone up 20+%, does that mean they are now around 1 million (rough math's only)


Assuming the figures below are roughly correct, then these 15 players use 9.3 million of the salary cap, which is why we have plenty of space.

If you add Bolton at full salary, it is over 10.3 which is still more than enough salary to pay the rest.
400k per player. I must be under estimating how much some of players are getting paid, maybe they all got a pay rise when the salary cap went up and some are pushing 1 million.

Darcy	800​
Jackson	800​
Brayshaw	800​
Serong	800​
Young	800​
Treacy	800​
Pearce	600​
Cox	600​
Ryan	600​
Amiss	500​
Clark	500​
Chapman	500​
Omeara	400​
Fyfe	400​
Walters	400​

I would be very surprised if Pearce, our captain and most important backline player, is on 600k. He's going to be up around 800, when you add likely 10% here or there on everyone else it gets out of control very quickly

 

[Taylor]

Alot of talk on here about Richmond paying a chunk of salary for Bolton as part of the deal. My question is does that payment still make up a component of our salary cap or Richmonds? I'm assuming it would be the Tigers otherwise it has little benefit to us. I'm struggling to understand how this works as hypothetically we could send the Tiges four first rounders for Bolton if they agree to pay his salary for the next 3 years and we would then be gaining an A grader with no impact to our TPP for that time? Technically we could be over the allowable TPP by $1.2m per year for our list without repercussion - Or do I have the wrong end of the stick here?

You've got it. Richmond have his salary on their TPP spreadsheet but he plays for us

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Would Martin want to be doing a medical while he is still recovering from a hamstring strain? Would Freo? I can see pros and cons from a club perspective, but not sure about the player. I would have thought he'd want to present at full fitness to enhance his chances.

I'm not sure how medical's work to be honest. What and how do they test?

 

[Taylor]

I would be very surprised if Pearce, our captain and most important backline player, is on 600k. He's going to be up around 800, when you add likely 10% here or there on everyone else it gets out of control very quickly

The offer for Logue when he left was twice what Alex Pearce was signed to.

 

[s_wd6]

I think someone mentioned it but how funny is the difference in discourse in the media surrounding Pickett and Houston

Houston can explicitly say "I'm not going anywhere" and the trade is still on but Pickett and his management are silent and that trade is dead in the water

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The offer for Logue when he left was twice what Alex Pearce was signed to.

x to doubt

 

[Polo342]

I think someone mentioned it but how funny is the difference in discourse in the media surrounding Pickett and Houston

Houston can explicitly say "I'm not going anywhere" and the trade is still on but Pickett and his management are silent and that trade is dead in the water

On Gettable it got said that he isn't going anywhere.

 

[Taylor]

x to doubt

This is one where you can believe me or not, but I'm not going to out my source for this. Moose was very team oriented when he signed his last contract extension.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The offer for Logue when he left was twice what Alex Pearce was signed to.

Coming off two injury prone years, maybe he signed a long term contract for security for less cash.

 

[Taylor]

Coming off two injury prone years, maybe he signed a long term contract for security for less cash.

Exactly, and we will need to double his pay next contract, which is end of next year. I'd prefer to extend his this season and bump up the pay a bit.

 

[DragoDelph]

On Gettable it got said that he isn't going anywhere.

Beveridge has no clue.

Just peddling the Melbourne line on this one

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This is one where you can believe me or not, but I'm not going to out my source for this. Moose was very team oriented when he signed his last contract extension.

600k is very team orientated, 400k is insulting to him and I hope he didn't do that

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

a possibility to come to Freo?
A one year contract to Taberner?

This is such an advanced level of stupidity, it is indistinguishable from malice. Are there any adults down at Cockburn ARC or is it just one giant creche?

 

[DragoDelph]

So the way I see it, we're preparing for if Warner is coming this year. Hence holding out on Koz & Baker.

As soon Warner categorically rules out a move this year, we'll switch to asset management for next year, and other targets this year.

No source. Just feels.

 

[arsesmart]

Would Martin want to be doing a medical while he is still recovering from a hamstring strain? Would Freo? I can see pros and cons from a club perspective, but not sure about the player. I would have thought he'd want to present at full fitness to enhance his chances.

Would they bother? His history is there for all to know.

We take on Martin knowing the injury risks... but also if that swing at cow corner pays off we get a player who can hugely transform our attacking transitions.

He's a free agent, so the only cost is salary cap %.

 

[Taylor]

He's a free agent, so the only cost is salary cap %.

Jack Martin is not a free agent. He delisted himself.

 

[DragoDelph]

Would they bother? His history is there for all to know.

We take on Martin knowing the injury risks... but also if that swing at cow corner pays off we get a player who can hugely transform our attacking transitions.

He's a free agent, so the only cost is salary cap %.

He won't be offered much.

The medical would be to see if his hammies are recoverable (like chapman) due to poor management from carlton, or toast (like harley).

Blues have had a lot of soft tissue injuries this year, so it's either bad luck and just clustered, or they're not doing something right.

 

[s_wd6]

He won't be offered much.

The medical would be to see if his hammies are recoverable (like chapman) due to poor management from carlton, or toast (like harley).

Blues have had a lot of soft tissue injuries this year, so it's either bad luck and just clustered, or they're not doing something right.

Cerra's done his hammy like 3 or 4 times this year alone

 

[DragoDelph]

Cerra's done his hammy like 3 or 4 times this year alone

Yeah, it's odd. Was pretty durable here wasn't he? Maybe 1x long stint?

They either have a lot of injury prone players, or poor management.

The fact they're looking at a new head of fitness probably speaks to the latter.

That said, Martin seems like he's always had bad strings.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So the way I see it, we're preparing for if Warner is coming this year. Hence holding out on Koz & Baker.

As soon Warner categorically rules out a move this year, we'll switch to asset management for next year, and other targets this year.

No source. Just feels.

I see no way we can trade for both Warner and Bolton while both are contracted in one year short of pushing someone good out. Sydney are not taking less than 9 and 10 at minimum (he was just AA) and Richmond are demanding at least one of those picks. We also arent getting Richmond chucking in any salary if getting both.

 

[arsesmart]

Jack Martin is not a free agent. He delisted himself.

That's (one of) Twomey's takes. Not sure if that's definitive, but if so, no matter, delisted himself once, twice should be no problem.